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Who Will Save The Protoss? Bisu! - Page 4

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DROPPINBOMBS
Profile Joined April 2010
United States312 Posts
November 22 2010 23:47 GMT
#61
The pictures are phenominal
Ideas are bullet-proof.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 22 2010 23:59 GMT
#62
I want Bisu to win an OSL so bad. C'mon man I believe in you!
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
November 23 2010 00:30 GMT
#63
Thanks for the translation. Very interesting article.

Those of us who follow Bisu closely noticed the lack of Goons pretty quickly, but this in-depth analysis certainly highlights things that are otherwise easily missed.

The Revolutionist living up to his name.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
November 23 2010 00:41 GMT
#64
So this new build is why Soulkey played Sunken Defense against Bisu in the SKT vs Stars Ace match ?

Bisu's build no1 : Sair/Dark Templar
Bisu's build no2 : Sair/Zealots
Bisu's build no3 : Sair/ Probes ?
Khassar de Templari
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
November 23 2010 01:13 GMT
#65
Afrotoss with 3-0 Flash in the OSL finals to herald a new age of Protoss!!
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
November 23 2010 01:46 GMT
#66
This sort of puts into good thought what Bisu watchers have noticed lately, which was a very heavy emphasis on zealots and aggression with sairs.

Thanks for the translation!
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 04:03:01
November 23 2010 03:16 GMT
#67
lol hey the people over in china are discussing us again
replies in order:
*man, I don't understand that
*rofl
*Let's bump it and see [T/N unsure]
*oh man, Movie's salary is going to rise now. quick, get [T/N one of their EN->CN translators' names?] to come translate this
*(quotes previous reply) it's the english translation of that PLU article about Bisu
*someone go tell TL why movie is called chen lao shi
*how do you register for TL? ugh
*(referring to Health_Wang's post here) does Health_Wang browse TL all day?
*[T/N someone's name] has said that reading pure English is very stressful...

edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title

edit 2: some people at plu are also asking for an en->cn translation... should i do it?

edit 3: lol one guy asked "how do you say baller in Chinese"... and you really can't, afaik. poor guy
Translator:3
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 23 2010 03:27 GMT
#68
On November 23 2010 12:16 infinitestory wrote:
lol hey the people over in china are discussing us again
replies in order:
*man, I don't understand that
*rofl
*Let's bump it and see [T/N unsure]
*oh man, Movie's salary is going to rise now. quick, get [T/N one of their EN->CN translators' names?] to come translate this
*(quotes previous reply) it's the english translation of that PLU article about Bisu
*someone go tell TL why movie is called chen lao shi
*how do you register for TL? ugh
*(referring to Health_Wang's post here) does Health_Wang browse TL all day?

edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title



HAHA I loled pretty hard on "I'm Health_Wang.
The PLU's editor & SC commentator.

小王整天混tl?"

小王 litterally mean little wang! Wow.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
November 23 2010 03:30 GMT
#69
On November 23 2010 12:16 infinitestory wrote:
lol hey the people over in china are discussing us again
replies in order:
*man, I don't understand that
*rofl
*Let's bump it and see [T/N unsure]
*oh man, Movie's salary is going to rise now. quick, get [T/N one of their EN->CN translators' names?] to come translate this
*(quotes previous reply) it's the english translation of that PLU article about Bisu
*someone go tell TL why movie is called chen lao shi
*how do you register for TL? ugh
*(referring to Health_Wang's post here) does Health_Wang browse TL all day?

edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title

patiently waiting for:
"hey, they're disucssing us discussing them:

*(infinitestory's translated comments back to chinese)"
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
November 23 2010 03:36 GMT
#70
On November 23 2010 12:27 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 12:16 infinitestory wrote:
lol hey the people over in china are discussing us again
replies in order:
*man, I don't understand that
*rofl
*Let's bump it and see [T/N unsure]
*oh man, Movie's salary is going to rise now. quick, get [T/N one of their EN->CN translators' names?] to come translate this
*(quotes previous reply) it's the english translation of that PLU article about Bisu
*someone go tell TL why movie is called chen lao shi
*how do you register for TL? ugh
*(referring to Health_Wang's post here) does Health_Wang browse TL all day?

edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title



HAHA I loled pretty hard on "I'm Health_Wang.
The PLU's editor & SC commentator.

小王整天混tl?"

小王 litterally mean little wang! Wow.


there are two things wrong with this post, and both of them are all of it

小 is a term of affection that precedes the person's last name
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
November 23 2010 03:38 GMT
#71
Thanks for the analysis, I havn't been able to watch too much proleague lately, and I really didn't know too much about the new pvz style. I guess what bisu is doing is right, zealots are very good against hydras if in an open field. However, I do have some doubts, because zealots cannot go through a good sim city, and they basically allow zerg to get to three bases while the toss wasted a lot on zealots. But I guess the main point is to attack before the sim city gets there.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
November 23 2010 03:59 GMT
#72
Well this makes the low goon and low templar play of Bisu make a hell of a lot more sense.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 04:05:43
November 23 2010 04:01 GMT
#73
On November 23 2010 12:16 infinitestory wrote:
edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title

edit 2: some people at plu are also asking for an en->cn translation... should i do it?


...huh? The original article was a Chinese article from... PLU? Why would you translate it back? Unless... we do the Google translate game and do it back and forth until it no longer makes sense!
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 23 2010 04:05 GMT
#74
On November 23 2010 13:01 Funnytoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 12:16 infinitestory wrote:
edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title

edit 2: some people at plu are also asking for an en->cn translation... should i do it?


...wait, that doesn't even make sense. The original article was a Chinese article from... PLU?

no, an en->cn translation of our replies
Translator:3
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
November 23 2010 04:06 GMT
#75
On November 23 2010 13:05 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 13:01 Funnytoss wrote:
On November 23 2010 12:16 infinitestory wrote:
edit: wtf man the people at plu's bbs and wfbrood's bbs are watching us pretty closely... health_wang's post here is literally reposted there, has its own discussion thread with a bolded green title

edit 2: some people at plu are also asking for an en->cn translation... should i do it?


...wait, that doesn't even make sense. The original article was a Chinese article from... PLU?

no, an en->cn translation of our replies


Oh. Well, in that case I'm sure they'd find it interesting, just like we enjoy Korean netizen responses to TL
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 23 2010 04:12 GMT
#76
On November 23 2010 12:38 Tazza wrote:
Thanks for the analysis, I havn't been able to watch too much proleague lately, and I really didn't know too much about the new pvz style. I guess what bisu is doing is right, zealots are very good against hydras if in an open field. However, I do have some doubts, because zealots cannot go through a good sim city, and they basically allow zerg to get to three bases while the toss wasted a lot on zealots. But I guess the main point is to attack before the sim city gets there.

if you read the article, it says that zealots should be used wisely i.e. dont throw them away if the simcity is proper. That's pretty much the biggest mistake most protosses other than Bisu make in using this build, they see 2 sunkens and decide to attack anyways, without doing any real damage other than killing the sunkens maybe. Bisu plays smartly and only attacks when he knows he can do damage
Writerptrk
kenkvs
Profile Joined November 2010
China1 Post
November 23 2010 04:30 GMT
#77
Part of Mao Zedong's strategy, Volume 5...............
Actually in Chinese ,v5 does not mean volume 5...it just sounds the same as 威武,
so they just use v5 for fun.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 23 2010 04:36 GMT
#78
On November 23 2010 13:12 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 12:38 Tazza wrote:
Thanks for the analysis, I havn't been able to watch too much proleague lately, and I really didn't know too much about the new pvz style. I guess what bisu is doing is right, zealots are very good against hydras if in an open field. However, I do have some doubts, because zealots cannot go through a good sim city, and they basically allow zerg to get to three bases while the toss wasted a lot on zealots. But I guess the main point is to attack before the sim city gets there.

if you read the article, it says that zealots should be used wisely i.e. dont throw them away if the simcity is proper. That's pretty much the biggest mistake most protosses other than Bisu make in using this build, they see 2 sunkens and decide to attack anyways, without doing any real damage other than killing the sunkens maybe. Bisu plays smartly and only attacks when he knows he can do damage

I think one key point from the article is that only now are Protoss realizing that Zealots can be used to beat down hydras. I certainly felt surprised when I saw Bisu slaughtering hydras with zealots, since I had rarely seen that before (usually, it was just mass HT and sponge damage with zealots to beat hydras, iirc). Also, I think Bisu has figured out how to nail a greedy, walling zerg (see: Bisu vs Soulkey, in which he only attacks Soulkey after Soulkey has committed to walling in and going for tech, I think). He's got something going for sure.
Translator:3
_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
November 23 2010 04:41 GMT
#79
I think baller is 牛B; also I think what Bisu does with his speedzeals is exactly what flash does with his vults in TvP, contest map control when dominant race is supposed to have it, and fuck up their timings (see the match with snow)
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 23 2010 04:51 GMT
#80
On November 23 2010 13:41 l0st_romantic wrote:
I think baller is 牛B; also I think what Bisu does with his speedzeals is exactly what flash does with his vults in TvP, contest map control when dominant race is supposed to have it, and fuck up their timings (see the match with snow)

To be fair, I think it's the combination of speedlots and Corsairs, since speedlots alone are stopped quickly by the mutalisks. Although I do remember one PvZ where the P used some nice multitask to send zealot waves to two of the zerg's bases simultaneously... don't remember who it was though. That's another way to render mutalisks much less effective, since half a control group of mutalisks doen't stop zealots before they do some serious damage.
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