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Trap
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States395 Posts
November 23 2010 07:56 GMT
#101
What about lurker openings? Arn't they a lot safer from these early zealot/corsair? If Soulkey had followed up his 4th base and spire with a hydra den instead of planning for fast hive, Bisu probably would have turned around from his natural instead of getting 10ish drone kills. I can't help think that transitioning to muta/scourge was a very bad move since Bisu had been steadily sinking gas into corsairs rather than other tech while building up his early zeals.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 23 2010 08:10 GMT
#102
On November 23 2010 16:56 Trap wrote:
What about lurker openings? Arn't they a lot safer from these early zealot/corsair? If Soulkey had followed up his 4th base and spire with a hydra den instead of planning for fast hive, Bisu probably would have turned around from his natural instead of getting 10ish drone kills. I can't help think that transitioning to muta/scourge was a very bad move since Bisu had been steadily sinking gas into corsairs rather than other tech while building up his early zeals.


Lurker? did you saw Calm's Lurker?

but if it were Yellow's lurker .. hmmm
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~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada378 Posts
November 23 2010 08:36 GMT
#103
On November 23 2010 14:37 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 14:36 infinitestory wrote:
On November 23 2010 14:31 ~ava wrote:
Thanks for translating, hopefully Bisu will be able to get somewhere in individual leagues though I haven't seen many of his games since last season, I hope his awful PvT has improved.

Bisu's PvT was never awful. It was just never nearly as good as his other two matchups. His vT ELO peak is #12 all-time, while his vZ peak is #8 all-time (behind Jaedong and 6 terrans).

PvT #3, PvP #1, PvZ #1 by the way.


I watch as many Bisu games as I have time for because I admire his skill, he's pretty great in all his matchups. I just remember a couple of PvT games toward the end of last season where he threw away carriers into goliaths and used archons a whole bunch. Bad decisions but the games were still tense and exciting, and he won a few despite all that. Point taken, I just wish his PvT was as good as his other matchups.
Xtal
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Haiti385 Posts
November 23 2010 11:58 GMT
#104
KIM. TAEK. SHIN.
Have you ever heard the story, about the Zergling and the Probe? The Probe didn't make it across the creep.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 12:36:17
November 23 2010 12:36 GMT
#105
Just hope (P)Bisu brings back the full force of his charisma and he'll be fine.
And Afrotoss be bringing back the 70s baby!
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NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
November 23 2010 13:05 GMT
#106
On November 23 2010 16:11 ArvickHero wrote:
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On November 23 2010 15:49 Funnytoss wrote:
On November 23 2010 14:11 endy wrote:
I don't understand why Korean players don't do +0 speed zealots rushes à la Kwark. It hits 30 seconds earlier before the zerg can sim city properly. Of course this build can't become standard as it would be easily countered by mass zerglings, but it's still a good build to mix in once in a while.

Thanks for the translation it was an interesting article !


I've seen some players do it, but as you noted yourself, it's too flimsy to be used as a standard playstyle. If you can hit before the Zerg can defend properly then certainly it's useful, but it doesn't transition into midgame well with the severely delayed +1...

If I recall, the first time I saw it used was Bisu vs Jaedong in the Allstars game, where Bisu destroyed Jaedong because he wasn't prepared. It became popular for like a month or so, until Kal attempted it vs Jaedong and got utterly crushed.


Nah that was definitely a +1 Speedlot attack. He moved in a bit too early, had to stall for a few seconds before +1 kicked in and then attacked IIRC
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
November 23 2010 13:56 GMT
#107
I will note that the maps appear to play a significant role in this as well - with wider entrances into bases, Z need to add additional sunkens early on. On maps where there's very little distance at all between the nat and 3rd, it's a lot harder to stop the Hydra force from building up as well.
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 19:20:55
November 23 2010 19:14 GMT
#108
Dailyesports' analysis of Bisu's PvZ:

http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=35225&page=1
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19295 Posts
November 23 2010 19:24 GMT
#109
Now that I know plu is reading these post I have decided I need to make more intelligent posts. There's a crowd out there expecting greatness from TL.

And bisu will continue to rise to power purely because of the new map, Bloody Ridge. It is the relative to Heartbreak Ridge and the destiny of the Bruce Lee Toss.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
November 23 2010 21:41 GMT
#110
I fuuuucking loved that article man

just waiting for a Bisu vs Jaedong match of epicness

what's that? is Bisu back? =)
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 23 2010 21:46 GMT
#111
Sounds similar to the way I tried to play (with vastly less polished play of course) back in 2009. Except I suppose I was overly all-inish (not quite all in, but very close to it) in early mid game.

I like that style of play 8)
MiraKul
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Malaysia498 Posts
November 24 2010 01:48 GMT
#112
Food for thought! :D thanks
ovrpwrd
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
November 24 2010 02:31 GMT
#113
On November 23 2010 17:36 ~ava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 14:37 Lightwip wrote:
On November 23 2010 14:36 infinitestory wrote:
On November 23 2010 14:31 ~ava wrote:
Thanks for translating, hopefully Bisu will be able to get somewhere in individual leagues though I haven't seen many of his games since last season, I hope his awful PvT has improved.

Bisu's PvT was never awful. It was just never nearly as good as his other two matchups. His vT ELO peak is #12 all-time, while his vZ peak is #8 all-time (behind Jaedong and 6 terrans).

PvT #3, PvP #1, PvZ #1 by the way.


I watch as many Bisu games as I have time for because I admire his skill, he's pretty great in all his matchups. I just remember a couple of PvT games toward the end of last season where he threw away carriers into goliaths and used archons a whole bunch. Bad decisions but the games were still tense and exciting, and he won a few despite all that. Point taken, I just wish his PvT was as good as his other matchups.

His PvT isn't awful, he just had a bit of a decision-making crisis at the end of last season. His PvT is good enough to beat any terran on his good days. Don't look at the end of last season, because that isn't a good indication of his true skill.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
M!SHA
Profile Joined December 2009
44 Posts
November 24 2010 02:45 GMT
#114
Damn Ptoss funkmuster knocked out l33t4

User was warned for this post
ZerO Fighting@#!@
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
November 24 2010 22:31 GMT
#115
Hard to believe that the slayer of Savior over 3 years ago is at his PvZ ELO peak right now. I hope he does something good with it and wins an OSL or MSL. He needs to watch out for PvP where he is good but sometimes shaky, and PvT where he is shakey and sometimes good. He needs to avoid carriers. I think he would have faired better against Sea in the MSL Ro16 if he went Arbiters instead. As bad as it is for your meta game to go Arbiters every game, he really has no choice if he's up against a Top 10 Terran.
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renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
November 24 2010 23:23 GMT
#116
On November 24 2010 04:14 Ryo wrote:
Dailyesports' analysis of Bisu's PvZ:

http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=35225&page=1


Is anyone nice enough to translate this? =D Pretty please? Thank you!
Bisu is the man
MiraKul
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Malaysia498 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 14:01:09
November 26 2010 13:42 GMT
#117

Bisu tried something different in OSL vs Shine. What was he trying to do? Im still new. Couldnt read the game well especially BOs and tech.

+ Show Spoiler +
bisu just lost to shine

so why didnt he make archons in game 1 to vs mutas. and pure goons in game 2/?
ovrpwrd
M!SHA
Profile Joined December 2009
44 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 13:50:39
November 26 2010 13:45 GMT
#118
+ Show Spoiler +
Oops he did it again xD

(lost to shine in early stages of OSL ROFL)
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Rustymike
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Finland327 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 13:50:14
November 26 2010 13:49 GMT
#119
On November 26 2010 22:42 MiraKul wrote:
herp derp derp


On November 26 2010 22:45 M!SHA wrote:
derp herp



Yeah nice. I thought that this thread was supposed to be about Bisus innovation for Protoss strategy, not spoiling the OSL 36 round matches.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 13:51:14
November 26 2010 13:49 GMT
#120
^ dont quote the spoilers again

edit: ok everythings good now
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