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Who Will Save The Protoss? Bisu! - Page 7

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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 27 2010 23:32 GMT
#121
man this sucks .. no one is going to save us now!

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free or kal i guess?+ Show Spoiler +
God! i hope not .. it would be really lame ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13032 Posts
November 28 2010 00:03 GMT
#122
Stork ofc. He was always and still is the true protoss king.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
November 28 2010 00:22 GMT
#123
Say that (P)Bisu will save the Protoss the day he takes down (T)Flash in a bo5. Until then I'm sticking with (P)Stork.
A time to live.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 28 2010 05:07 GMT
#124
meh .. if stork keeps his low level play than usual vs mediocre players, he's not going to be our Executor ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-12 11:45:25
January 12 2011 11:42 GMT
#125
Decided to bump the thread today after

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Stork killed 3 Hwaseung Zergs in a row!


and finding

On November 28 2010 14:07 aimaimaim wrote:
meh .. if stork keeps his low level play than usual vs mediocre players, he's not going to be our Executor ..


profoundly ironic

Just a few unorganized thoughts - someone with a better grasp of PvZ may be able to elaborate a bit more onthis.

Stork and Bisu are playing different styles of PvZ right now and both are doing fairly well - while Both are using sairs well to prevent muta sniping of HT, but compared to Bisu's zealot heavy mobile style, Stork seems to rely upon reavers a bit more than Bisu does, for that ground punch, which imo is a bit more solid (so long as you have the micro) because it doesn't feel as map dependent - you can't shut down a goon/reaver/temp army as easily as you can a primarily zealot army. A strong simcity with an extra sunken or so pretty much forces Zealots to run around, maintaining map control until Zerg can build up, which... if they get 4 bases quickly, they should be able to...

In the games that Stork and Bisu have been winning recently, they've been catching opponents off guard, either through busting through simcities or coming out with unexpected(?) army compositions.

Anything in this (as far as why they're doing well), or is unpredictability mixed with high sair numbers just hard for Z to solve right now?
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
January 12 2011 11:45 GMT
#126
Stork Reaver's win the game. 50 and 27 kills hero reavers.
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
January 12 2011 11:59 GMT
#127
Bisu's PvZ relies heavily on specific build order and scouting information, it's about "having the right units at the right time"

Stork's PvZ relies on striking at the weakest point of the Zerg's defense : "having the right units at the right place"

This is a meaningful depiction of Bisu and Stork :

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Khassar de Templari
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
January 12 2011 12:50 GMT
#128
Judging from their games then I think,

Bisu's PvZ relies on the mobile zealot army for map control and striking at zerg's simcity weakpoints

Stork's PvZ relies on reavers to bust through zerg simcities, eco harassment and defense from hydras.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
January 12 2011 16:51 GMT
#129
Nice read. I just posted a question on TL about PvZ before Bisu!
DONGJWA!
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
January 17 2011 11:24 GMT
#130
bisu is awesome. though really i'd like to see jangbi do well too. stork right now is ona roll and hopefully he'll win!
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 09:53:33
October 04 2013 09:52 GMT
#131
In honor of the resurgence in Bisu-love in the forums recently, I decided to bump this translation to allow newcomers a glimpse of why we love Bisu so much, and why he's raking in Afreeca balloons like there's no tomorrow.

Given that PvZ has always been rather difficult for Protoss, the fact that Bisu excelled at this matchup really gave a lot of Protoss players hope. It's unfortunate that his PvT is so shaky, comparatively speaking, but it's an honor to be able to watch him stream
AIV_Funnytoss and sGs.Funnytoss on iCCup
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
October 04 2013 10:03 GMT
#132
But still he has a losing record against Zero. Just sayin'.
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary951 Posts
October 04 2013 10:31 GMT
#133
and jangbi saved protoss osl-wise, still he isn't getting half the attention
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