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2Pacalypse-

Croatia9499 Posts

November 13 2010 00:24 GMT

#21

On November 13 2010 08:56 Puremiss wrote:
btw this isnt mentioned in the OP but for west folk the channel is marlboro

I didn't mention marlboro on West, because I mentioned consolidation to East server which happened in this past few months. Marlboro is practically dead nowadays.

LuMiX

China5757 Posts

November 13 2010 01:06 GMT

#22

are u gusy still playing?

2Pacalypse-

Croatia9499 Posts

November 13 2010 01:12 GMT

#23

yep

Heyoka

Katowice25012 Posts

November 13 2010 02:04 GMT

#24

Many of my favorite BW related memories are on BGH over the last year or so. Every game is chaotic, messy, and its a great arena for hilarious cheese and map abuse. Its all the most fun parts of BW in a single map. Every game is a blast.

LosingID8

CA10828 Posts

November 13 2010 02:16 GMT

#25

yup i'm playing bgh a lot lately

mrblue182

United States151 Posts

November 13 2010 02:18 GMT

#26

As a WC3 player who only got into StarCraft after SC2, BGH looks like a lot of fun. But I'm wondering how open you guys are to utter noobs. Should I stick to SC2 or is it worth trying out?

hasuprotoss

United States4612 Posts

November 13 2010 02:23 GMT

#27

LID8 has helped me see the way.

2Pacalypse-

Croatia9499 Posts

November 13 2010 02:24 GMT

#28

It's definitely worth trying out.

Though you will probably have to play public games first to practice your mechanics and general build orders. But it only gets more fun as you get better at it!

ePalm

United States18 Posts

November 13 2010 03:10 GMT

#29

Some strategies on BGH just don't work like they do in low money maps, so that is why it is called a noob map. For example, starving your opponent isn't really an option since they basically have two bases worth of resources with 50k per patch. Although noobs often realize that and therefore never expand, so in response it is funny just go to straight to 4-5 base and then roflstomp them.

Also total Terran imbalance because you can perfect wall at every single position and just turtle the entire game.

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

November 13 2010 03:36 GMT

#30

FASTEST MAP EVER is betteR!! :D

j/k.

Wala.Revolution

7582 Posts

November 13 2010 03:41 GMT

#31

Wait East channel is now consolidation?

I remember when it was motel...

Not_Computer

Canada2277 Posts

November 13 2010 04:27 GMT

#32

Though I'd disagree that the BGH population wasn't notably hurt by SC2, the BGH community is definitely still active alongside people playing Fastest (though can't really say they have a 'community', as far as I know). BGH players are definitely the most eccentric of the BW scene. If I were to make a random comparison, I'd say "low money" would be the track where professional (or wannabe pro) racers practice, while BGH is the streets where the cool kids hang out, do crazy stuff and generally just hang out and chill together.

I've met so many great people through BGH. IMHO, the veteran BGHers seem more relaxed and have 'I play for fun and to have a good time' attitude than the veteran "low money" attitude of 'I gotta polish off this build order and my micro or I won't improve as fast as everyone else is'. Of course there's always the bad apples of every scene that ruin it for the rest.

Cue rant
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The thing about BGH is the freedom for creativity and self-expressive playstyle. Some innys might get extremely competitive but overall there's plenty of room (I'd say more than "low money") for messing around (more in 3v3s and 4v4s of course). For those that love cheese, BGH is full of cheese. So many kinds of cheese and combinations of cheese that any furry rodent would immediately faint.

At the same time there remains a skill level needed to win consistently (and of course teammates with similar skill level), so it isn't as easy as a lot of "low money" elitists would think. Each individual, as long as he is capable of rebuilding, has exponential potential if given the chance.

Map imbalances add a sort of 'controlled luck' into the mix, where disadvantageous can be advantageous depending on a player's/team's ability and playing style. For example,
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your opponents spawn 11 & 12 o clock positions, you and your buddy spawn 9 & 1 o clock. You know your opponents prefer turtling so you and your partner immediately agree to expand aggressively. You deny your opponents from scouting. They attempt to break out mid-game either with a push or drops but you are prepared and deny them while building up your economy. By the time your opponents come out with mass Guardians+CorsairsWithWeb, or Carriers+Battlecruisers, etc, you've already secured the entire map, maxed, have five digits of each resource in the bank, and enough production buildings to replenish your army without queue. GG.

The theorycrafting is endless, and you can actually put a lot of that theorycrafting into starcrafting.

I've been playing BGH for as long as I've been playing BW. I originally started with fastest with a bunch of guys from my school then went to "blizz maps" and avoided BGH. For a while I played the 6 players map New Gettysburg exclusively. Eventually I met a bunch of really cool people on BGH and got hooked. I tried some WGT, PGT, iCCup but BGH had my heart. The people I met on BGH were just so fascinating. Each had a unique playing style that I could synchronize with. Some had ridiculous strategies that somehow worked and resulted in hilarity. Biomech into EMP nuke under 9 minutes, recalling stacked probes, mass hallucinated battlecruisers, mass queens, 35 hatcheries before spawning pool (lost that game though, for obvious reasons... but the point is he managed to make 35 hatcheries before spawning pool!), mind control as a counter to carriers, proxy reavers, offensive wall-ins, optical flare nuke on zergs, sunken pushes, densely packed medic walls, cannon & carriers, winning with only 1 of each unit (except workers (and structures)), mass scouts, stove, slow overlord drops, drawing words on the minimap with buildings (yes, you're not the only one), double town hall at start, giving your opponents vision the whole game, allied mines, eraser, lockdown, paratrooper cities, having an overlord in-base and pretending to go low tech while building tech in ally's base, etc. etc. ...

So much fun!!!

(I have so much to write)

Anyways, other threads on TL with BGH:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91389
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83313
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=48517
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40204
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=35161
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=26289

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United States7081 Posts

November 13 2010 04:48 GMT

#33

Wasn't there a BGH v normal player grudge match a while ago? Some games on normal and some on $. And didn't the normal players throw games? But not in an underhand way. Kind of in a: BGH players deserve respect, this might help them get it. It might have also been player switching. Just a weird memory of mine that popped up. Honestly, I can't remember for sure, so don't take my words as gospel. But if anybody else remembers it better than me, I'd appreciate the refreshing of my memory.

Great post. I really enjoyed it. Unfortunately for me, I never enjoyed the way BGH felt. I was just frustrated. Of course, I'm sure I was playing at noobie BGH level. Still, mass cannons pissed me off so damn much :/

writer22816

United States5775 Posts

November 13 2010 05:07 GMT

#34

BGH is pretty darn fun. I think its maps like fastest that are boring though.

DraPa

Canada10 Posts

November 13 2010 05:46 GMT

#35

I played thousands of games of BGH/Hunters on West.
But then West died and East wasn't all that fun.

I moved to iCCup and I simply never moved back. The level of competition has a whole different, new type of feel in low money, lan lat games.
And as a fellow zerg player, it feels nice to finally have muta micro and be the deadlier race in 2x2 games rather than 3x3 BGH.

BGH is hella fun, but it's hard to get back into it when you dont have lan lat.
Not a whole lotta people in the BGH community play with #LL via chaos in my experience, and that's recently
Good read!

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

November 13 2010 08:39 GMT

#36

BGH is the single most fun map in BW. I met all my closest starcraft friends playing BGH, including that newbie who owned the tl-west bot. I know many people consider it a newbie map with newbie players, but trust me, at the highest levels, BGH is very, very demanding of mechanics.

On November 13 2010 13:48 -_- wrote:
Wasn't there a BGH v normal player grudge match a while ago? Some games on normal and some on $. And didn't the normal players throw games? But not in an underhand way. Kind of in a: BGH players deserve respect, this might help them get it. It might have also been player switching. Just a weird memory of mine that popped up. Honestly, I can't remember for sure, so don't take my words as gospel. But if anybody else remembers it better than me, I'd appreciate the refreshing of my memory.

Great post. I really enjoyed it. Unfortunately for me, I never enjoyed the way BGH felt. I was just frustrated. Of course, I'm sure I was playing at noobie BGH level. Still, mass cannons pissed me off so damn much :/

Nobody threw any games. One of the 2/2 BGH teams wanted to switch players because two of them were friends and wanted to play together. Obviously this was allowed to happen, and they ended up winning. Subsequent to games one of the guys who lost to this BGH team threw up a fuss that the final team names had been deliberately withheld to give the BGHers a better chance of winning, which obviously wasn't the case. Thankfully not many people believed it to be so, so after a bit of arguing, the matter was buried.

There was more arguing before the games about how the BGHers would play though.

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

November 13 2010 08:47 GMT

#37

Now that I think about it, I remember a lot of tiny arguments going on simultaneously both before and after the games. I think a couple of mods had to step in to calm things down, lol.

I think all BGH vs Normal map matches have been followed by at least some disputes. Other than the grudge match you remember, the Testie vs Koolam series also had some aftermath on tl.net. And the time when nony/idra/skew played in some BGH tournament and lost to Hdn in the finals also resulted in several angry comments.

2Pacalypse-

Croatia9499 Posts

November 13 2010 11:51 GMT

#38

On November 13 2010 12:41 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Wait East channel is now consolidation?

I remember when it was motel...

Yeah, it's unofficial consolidation. And couple of years ago, motel was getting constantly attacked by spam bots so we moved to )v( channel.

On November 13 2010 13:27 Not_Computer wrote:
Though I'd disagree that the BGH population wasn't notably hurt by SC2, the BGH community is definitely still active alongside people playing Fastest (though can't really say they have a 'community', as far as I know). BGH players are definitely the most eccentric of the BW scene. If I were to make a random comparison, I'd say "low money" would be the track where professional (or wannabe pro) racers practice, while BGH is the streets where the cool kids hang out, do crazy stuff and generally just hang out and chill together.

I've met so many great people through BGH. IMHO, the veteran BGHers seem more relaxed and have 'I play for fun and to have a good time' attitude than the veteran "low money" attitude of 'I gotta polish off this build order and my micro or I won't improve as fast as everyone else is'. Of course there's always the bad apples of every scene that ruin it for the rest.

Cue rant
+ Show Spoiler +

(I have so much to write)

Very nice post. Yeah, I might've been overly optimistic when I said SC2 didn't hurt us that much, because obviously it took away a lot of players. But on the other end, I wasn't lying when I said there are more innys being played now than few years ago. Practically, everyone's innying now (remember my link to several levels of "innys"), where few years ago only TOP players would inny and everyone else would play public games.

Oh and, nice of you to include links to most of the BGH threads here, but you left out the ones with most drama, but I guess it's better to keep those buried -.-

On November 13 2010 17:47 Gandalf wrote:
Now that I think about it, I remember a lot of tiny arguments going on simultaneously both before and after the games. I think a couple of mods had to step in to calm things down, lol.

I think all BGH vs Normal map matches have been followed by at least some disputes. Other than the grudge match you remember, the Testie vs Koolam series also had some aftermath on tl.net. And the time when nony/idra/skew played in some BGH tournament and lost to Hdn in the finals also resulted in several angry comments.

Yeah, Testie and Koolam was a showmatch where Testie won 4-3 on low maps and like 4-1(or 0) on BGH if I recall correctly. Ironically it was more close on low maps than on BGH -.-
I think I still have those reps so if anyone wants, I can post them.

And yeah, that nony/idra/skew tournament led to a huge drama after the games.
If anyone wants see the reps of finals, between Media and hDn (best BGH clan) here they are:
Winners Bracket Finals:
http://www.thebgh.com/component/replays?view=replay&id=554 Game 1
http://www.thebgh.com/component/replays?view=replay&id=555 Game 2
http://www.thebgh.com/component/replays?view=replay&id=556 Game 3
Grand Finals:
http://www.thebgh.com/component/replays?view=replay&id=557 Game 1
http://www.thebgh.com/component/replays?view=replay&id=558 Game 2

besiger

Croatia2452 Posts

November 13 2010 12:41 GMT

#39

The only reason I ever started playing normal 1v1 maps is because I heard that playing there can increase your skill, and I wanted to get better at bgh heh. I think starting at bgh is the best way to start playing BW and then move to low maps if you want, its certainly a lot of fun.

I miss getting together with 2 of my rl friends and just playing bgh, I dont think il ever have as much fun as when we just started our team, all 3 of us terrans, every game was fun, never boring or anything, I would literally not be able to sleep from being so excited over playing the next day.

Ah the good days, now my innocence is gone and I dont know if il ever feel that way about a game again

Pads

England3228 Posts

November 13 2010 13:35 GMT

#40

BGH is a lot of fun, used to play it all the time on europe. I'm using ICCup's version of bw now though, can't get on east

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