Since the tale of fayth being raped I wanted to try to play them. And i was totally surprised by their level : they are not big noobs like i thought (on their channels like brood war bgh on europe) some are quite good : I dont want to talk about my level but i'm about c+ pgt and i lost 2-3 to one on them (1-1 on luna ( what a shame) 1-2on bgh).Even if I still think bgh is crappy the openings and strats can be quite different
One of my friend who is quite best than me ( b- pgtour) lost 2-0 on bgh..
Try em u will be surprised ( anyway I think some mapahck)

YoUr_KiLLeR

United States3420 Posts

May 26 2006 13:09 GMT

playing bgh does not make you a n00b. its a different game from limited maps and i think its annoying when ppl automatically assume anyone who plays on bgh is a n00b. theres a fair share of them in public games of course, but there are also a good, if not equal, number of terrible players in LT pubs.

yes some of them probably maphack, though no less than pub LT players i dont think.

im sure you're ashamed of losing a game on luna, but i'm sure hes just as ashamed of losing a game on bgh to you.

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

May 26 2006 13:19 GMT

then again luna is just about as mindless as bgh.

Jin

Canada439 Posts

May 26 2006 13:26 GMT

Did Fayth lose to k00lam on luna? I remember somewhere someone saying the guy he played was k00lams aka on Europe.

[angst]chraej

1445 Posts

May 26 2006 13:35 GMT

no you guys are wrong, bgh does make you a noob, you just a trained noob, therefore you know how to mass units as fast as you possibly can and mindlessly send them at your opponent, or else you can bunker in and go straight for BC tech, after you set up 100 + turrets that is. (these are the only strats i came across after reading this and having a go at it...)

Cloud

Sexico5880 Posts

May 26 2006 13:42 GMT

Rofl, cant you guys who consider bgh a no map skill shut the fuck up?

You just got owned by the same guys who you considered "newbs"

And if what you say is true, you also got owned on a non money map which they most likely didnt know or didnt play often.

AK-Nemesis

2005 Posts

May 26 2006 13:44 GMT

bgh is a good practice for macro and micro that's all. less use of terrain and more limits on strategies to employ, but nothing like what [angst]chraej said.

ZaplinG

United States3818 Posts

May 26 2006 13:51 GMT

its the same as blood bath players

alphablend

647 Posts

May 26 2006 13:57 GMT

On May 26 2006 22:51 ZaplinG wrote:
its the same as blood bath players

I disagree with that. BGH is more about macro, BB is more about micro. I will agree that both groups are highly specialized and will probably rape LT players on their map.

ZaplinG

United States3818 Posts

May 26 2006 13:59 GMT

#10

On May 26 2006 22:57 alphablend wrote:

Show nested quote +

I disagree with that. BGH is more about macro, BB is more about micro.

orly?

Elvin_vn

Vietnam2038 Posts

May 26 2006 14:06 GMT

#11

ok let's take a recap

1 you lost to non-money mappers
2 you lost to money mappers

YoUr_KiLLeR

United States3420 Posts

May 26 2006 14:09 GMT

#12

On May 26 2006 22:44 AK-Nemesis wrote:
bgh is a good practice for macro and micro that's all. less use of terrain and more limits on strategies to employ, but nothing like what [angst]chraej said.

good post. bgh might have some limited options compared to other maps (luna is a lot like this too for you elitists), but its like learning any other map. good players will be good on bgh just like good players will be good on any other map, and bad players will be bad regardless of the map.

SnoopySnacks

Tarsonis903 Posts

May 26 2006 14:11 GMT

#13

bgh takes skill but its boring. LT ftw

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

May 26 2006 14:17 GMT

#14

double post, sorry

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

May 26 2006 14:18 GMT

#15

No, bgh games DO require skill at the highest level (of bgh gamers). I too was under the misconception that bgh requires only macro, until i started playing it. You need solid micro, supremely solid macro, good builds (which are unique to bgh) and excellent team coordination to win. In my experience, at the highest level, 3v3 and 2v2 bgh games are harder than team hunters game you'll find in korean channels like brood war ladder on west.

And yes, the guy fayth lost to on Luna is k00lam. The guy he lost to on bgh is one of koolams teammates.

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

May 26 2006 14:20 GMT

#16

And most bgh players have now started playing Luna a lot, so yeah, they know the map well.

AK-Nemesis

2005 Posts

May 26 2006 15:01 GMT

#17

if you always join bgh pubbie games, then expect to see plenty of newbies who love to block their entrance and hope nothing happens for 30 mins. but there ARE skilled bgh players who also play non money maps. skilled as in adequate in micro/macro, since that's what bgh requires. if i only join the public 1v1 on bnet, surely i would find plenty of newbies, but that's no reason for me to conclude that the entire bnet 1v1 population are newbies.

YoUr_KiLLeR

United States3420 Posts

May 26 2006 15:44 GMT

#18

whats up with fayth and this k00lam guy. can anyone link me to the thread this came up in?

oHInsane

France727 Posts

May 26 2006 16:10 GMT

#19

it is in the "closed section", a low-money map team is supposed to fight against a bgh team this sundy ( with players like fayth, midian, testie, that is what they said on their bgh clan webpage).

MTF

United States1739 Posts

May 26 2006 16:18 GMT

#20

On May 27 2006 00:44 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
whats up with fayth and this k00lam guy. can anyone link me to the thread this came up in?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=40135