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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
May 30 2006 00:57 GMT
#261
I think BGh allow actually less frestyle than any pgtour map.

Reasons:

- Theres only one map everyknows, so its harder to make new moves on it.
- You do cute stuff (ie: fast reaver drop)-> you get run over.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
May 30 2006 00:59 GMT
#262
it has been shown that on the highest levels bgh doesn't allow much room for freestyling.. you even have to play protoss. that's not fun.

but luna doesnt allow any more room for freestyling either. so they're pretty much the same imo. only difference is a game on luna changes character and might actually become really cool and demanding of creativity if the game goes on for an hour and the map is starting to get mined dry, but that almost never happens anyway. so yeah
about the same. well cept luna is also balanced. but still no more fun than bgh. =[
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2006 01:06 GMT
#263
On May 30 2006 09:23 ml1710 wrote:
bgh is much easier to play on the "highest levels" considering it is basically imbalanced for toss and generally mastering one strategy.

i highly doubt testie / mondi / etc would lose after understanding and adapting to bgh strategy

i also think the korean clans which specialize in 3v3 hunters would whoop them with better micro/macro. (just another case of korea vs the world -_-)

What about the Korean BGH clans ;D!
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
CoralReefer
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada2069 Posts
May 30 2006 01:13 GMT
#264
On May 30 2006 10:06 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2006 09:23 ml1710 wrote:
bgh is much easier to play on the "highest levels" considering it is basically imbalanced for toss and generally mastering one strategy.

i highly doubt testie / mondi / etc would lose after understanding and adapting to bgh strategy

i also think the korean clans which specialize in 3v3 hunters would whoop them with better micro/macro. (just another case of korea vs the world -_-)

What about the Korean BGH clans ;D!


hahaha u got me there
And this hot potato has vanished into thin air.
Sun
Profile Joined March 2006
United States551 Posts
May 30 2006 01:25 GMT
#265
After watching all those boring replays I must say... one viable strategy every game? Or not even. Not that different from hunters as many strats are the same, but case in point toss is the way to go due to the 50,000 15 mineral patches. -_-;; Some of it those replays were hard to watch, but kural and superman seem pretty good and knowledgible. I saw many, many mistakes though. I wouldn't mind giving him a run for his money soon.
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
May 30 2006 03:02 GMT
#266
On May 30 2006 09:57 IntoTheWow wrote:
I think BGh allow actually less frestyle than any pgtour map.

Reasons:

- Theres only one map everyknows, so its harder to make new moves on it.
- You do cute stuff (ie: fast reaver drop)-> you get run over.

Thanks for pointing that out IntoTheWow. And because I only play BGH with my friends, I have a limited perspective on things.

P.S.
I'm always willing to learn more. You wana play some 2v2 on pgtour with me sometimes? Already
Pm'd you.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 30 2006 03:42 GMT
#267
On May 30 2006 09:59 Liquid`Drone wrote:
it has been shown that on the highest levels bgh doesn't allow much room for freestyling.. you even have to play protoss. that's not fun.


i dont think ppp is as required as people seem to think. maybe it would be different vs the top top players but we played ppt and one ppz because my toss sucks in team games and it seemed to work fine.
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SoDrunk
Profile Joined September 2004
United Kingdom291 Posts
May 30 2006 04:14 GMT
#268
ppp is pretty much favoured on BGH map overall but by no means makes it neccesary to all play ppp. Imo most people choose p cos its the easiest for them to get good at on bgh and its genarally their strongest race. when the level gets higher other race mixes can be just as effective providing the teamplay remains tight and the individual has a good understanding of the race.
AZN)Boy
Profile Joined September 2004
United States57 Posts
May 30 2006 05:13 GMT
#269
BGH anyone? ^_^
~~[For every minutes you spend angry, you lose 60 seconds of happiness]
Grumel
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany88 Posts
May 30 2006 05:17 GMT
#270
Games between equally good high level teams end up ppp vs ppp zealots goons vs zealots gooons thats right.

But thats not exactly all day business on bgh that you get 2 equal high level teams. And on lower levels, or if one team is stronger, getting terra/zerg or doing funny stuff is absolutely possible.
In fact, bgh got huge potential for fun builds on lower levels. Just count all this nice cliffs etc <->
CoralReefer
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada2069 Posts
May 30 2006 05:22 GMT
#271
yeah but "fun builds" are normal for almost any non money map
And this hot potato has vanished into thin air.
Grumel
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany88 Posts
May 30 2006 05:37 GMT
#272
Not really, there are more buildups possible, but after all, strategies pretty much repeat itsself on higher levels. And dont forget its 2on2/3on3 bgh. You wont see much else then dual 9 pool from mondragon/testie in a 2on2 as well.
CoralReefer
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada2069 Posts
May 30 2006 08:13 GMT
#273
now you're talking "high level" again. strategies are not built in stone especially for pro 2v2's, if you've seen nal ra/ boxer/ goodfriend/ nada play, they have had all done non-standard things in games.

let me summarize for you:

high lvl:
bgh = all toss, one strat
"normal" maps (such as pro 2v2 maps) = many races, many strats

low lvl:
bgh = many races, many strats
normal = same

i haven't seen many reps of testie & mondi 2v2ing, but i think testie usually goes random and mondragon chooses zerg.
And this hot potato has vanished into thin air.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2006 08:29 GMT
#274
Hm, ml, I think that when allowed/money is involved they both zerg, although I might be wrong on this.

I think that team games in general, at high levels, allow for a lot less innovation than one on one when they are played on maps like the hunters/bgh, but of course when you get a nice innovative map like Iron Curtain it will be different (maybe it's different on usan nation as well, I wouldn't know, at least I don't think pure pp vs pp is favoured on it unlike other maps).

Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
May 30 2006 08:57 GMT
#275
On May 29 2006 06:44 cuteFayth wrote:
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On May 28 2006 22:39 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
On May 28 2006 15:52 cuteFayth wrote:
On May 28 2006 14:33 geod wrote:
On May 28 2006 14:22 cuteFayth wrote:
hope it was fun making fun of me when i lost when nick + daze goes 1-3 this proved again 80% of tl.net is completely ignorant

Fayth, you lost or win, that doesnt matter, but the way you deal with it matters. It's totally stupid and shit your behavior your excuse. I really wonder until when you can understand that.

Yeah but i don't care what people think, i know it's about my behavior, but wether i seem harsh when i "excuse" it's still all pretty much the truth, unless u can prove otherwise.

you don't seem harsh, you seem really pathetic.

everyone got their views

Not you
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
May 30 2006 09:21 GMT
#276
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 30 2006 09:23 GMT
#277
? its not like theres alot of reps of them 2v2ing released and you dont necessarily need to know anything about them to know anything about teamplay.

granted hes probably still a fool, but thats not good reasoning to base it on.
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CoralReefer
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada2069 Posts
May 30 2006 10:09 GMT
#278
On May 30 2006 18:21 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2006 17:13 ml1710 wrote:
i haven't seen many reps of testie & mondi 2v2ing, but i think testie usually goes random and mondragon chooses zerg.


You are a fool.
Most of the time, they Z/Z

if you don't even know their race in 2v2s for Tot, i don't think you should be talking about team-play very much


you are over reacting...
notice how i stated i haven't seen many reps of them
i also said i think testie goes random

besides, testie and mondragon are not the pinnacle of 2v2s, not knowing about them doesn't mean i haven't seen progamers play.
And this hot potato has vanished into thin air.
5HITCOMBO
Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
May 30 2006 10:18 GMT
#279
On May 30 2006 18:21 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Most of the time, they Z/Z

Gaaaay.
I live in perpetual fear of terrorists and studio gangsters
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7298 Posts
May 30 2006 10:39 GMT
#280
Terran worked fine on bgh for me, id just go m&m and be fine early on, it can be a pain later when they get storm though, but you are fine if your allies dont die =)
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
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