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On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse.
On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:
I've already explained that I won't be that upset if SC2 turns out better than BW and has a thriving proscene, even if BW dies in that process. What's upsetting is that BW may be forced out by Blizzard's bullshit.
Learn to read instead of making stupid assumptions. My point is just that it's unlikely that these events will have any bearing on the success of SC2. If it is good enough to be successful, it would probably take off anyway. If not, it won't. Because in the end, no amount of legal bullshit or money pumping can change whether or not people like to go watch the game.
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On October 13 2010 04:41 Shizuru~ wrote:
my my, doesn't these BW fanboys that clings on to their dying sport sounds exactly like religious fanatics/evangelist?
insightful OP i'd say, this truly is a time of great disturbance yes? so... maybe Rekrul would be kind enough to share more inside stories perhaps...
...It's people like you that are the reason why I'm so annoyed.
Sure, it's all great and all that SC2 is present but what I want is to have BW also alive at the very least to die naturally rather than being forced to halt abruptly like Blizzard/Gretech are trying to do.
Then, people like you come in, pouring salt in other people's wounds, labeling everyone who believes in BW as "Fanboys and religious fanatics," and then go about touting SC2 like a religion themselves.
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On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse.
but it's true :o
i've never seen anything try this hard lol
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On October 13 2010 04:52 imperator-xy wrote:but for esports to grow we really need sc2. you can only get new players and more public attention if you got something new. sadly, bw was becoming slightly smaller from year to year (even though they got korean air as a sponsor, just watch at the finals crowds). of course, bw would live and stay big for at least 3-5 years. but esports should be bigger.
Your 'something new' will just be old and outdated in another 2 years. This is a horrible argument.
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On October 13 2010 04:53 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse. Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:
I've already explained that I won't be that upset if SC2 turns out better than BW and has a thriving proscene, even if BW dies in that process. What's upsetting is that BW may be forced out by Blizzard's bullshit. Learn to read instead of making stupid assumptions.
I was referring to your flawed assumption that SC2 somehow "bullied" BW into submission.
WTH are you talking about "this much effort". The fans wanted those tournaments and they went out to create them. Not so much effort as it is WHAT THE FANS WANT.
EDIT: They saw how popular SC2 was getting, they jumped on it. Nothing was forced.
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On October 13 2010 04:56 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:53 matjlav wrote:On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse. On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:
I've already explained that I won't be that upset if SC2 turns out better than BW and has a thriving proscene, even if BW dies in that process. What's upsetting is that BW may be forced out by Blizzard's bullshit. Learn to read instead of making stupid assumptions. I was referring to your flawed assumption that SC2 somehow "bullied" BW into submission. WTH are you talking about "this much effort". The fans wanted those tournaments and they went out to create them. Not so much effort as it is WHAT THE FANS WANT.
Ummmm... did you read the OP/have you been paying attention to the scene at all? I don't even know how to respond to this, lol
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if blizzard didn't bully BW into submission, i don't know what articles you've been reading...
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On October 13 2010 04:57 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:56 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:53 matjlav wrote:On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse. On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:
I've already explained that I won't be that upset if SC2 turns out better than BW and has a thriving proscene, even if BW dies in that process. What's upsetting is that BW may be forced out by Blizzard's bullshit. Learn to read instead of making stupid assumptions. I was referring to your flawed assumption that SC2 somehow "bullied" BW into submission. WTH are you talking about "this much effort". The fans wanted those tournaments and they went out to create them. Not so much effort as it is WHAT THE FANS WANT. Ummmm... did you read the OP? I don't even know how to respond to this, lol
Wanna point out where they put "so much effort" into bullying BW? Nothing implies anything of the sort. If you think the money they're giving a certain player is a lot of money, you obviously don't understand how the world works.
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On topic. Stop throwing jabs at each other.
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On October 13 2010 03:29 aru wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 01:30 sihyunie wrote:
KT Rolster coach Lee Ji Hoon
IP and public property is important, but... People don't know the biggest hurdle in the negotiations and are just arguing with themselves. I'm not allowed to disclose any information, but when you find out... you will probably be extremely upset... Man... Seems like the majority of TL, myself included, could take note from this. I'm already extremely upset from this statement.
Not surprised. Negative emotions are usually the biggest hurdle in negotiations that end up like this one. I'm sure there's plenty of agreements that they could've done already that would be beneficial for both sides but each side wants to make it look like their side won and the other lost.
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On October 13 2010 04:56 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:53 matjlav wrote:On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse. On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:
I've already explained that I won't be that upset if SC2 turns out better than BW and has a thriving proscene, even if BW dies in that process. What's upsetting is that BW may be forced out by Blizzard's bullshit. Learn to read instead of making stupid assumptions. I was referring to your flawed assumption that SC2 somehow "bullied" BW into submission. WTH are you talking about "this much effort". The fans wanted those tournaments and they went out to create them. Not so much effort as it is WHAT THE FANS WANT. EDIT: They saw how popular SC2 was getting, they jumped on it. Nothing was forced.
With all due respect, Blizzard did to do a relentless advertising campaign, had game publishers make only positive reviews about SC2 (no negative reviews of the game), and instigated an IP argument only after SC2 was released to crush BW.
I don't know about you, but there were a lot of strong-arm tactics involved in trying to get SC2 to supplant BW.
EDIT: But this is all besides the point, we'll all have differing opinions regarding the issue. For me, this is sad news, and that's basically all I have to say about the OP. :[
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On October 13 2010 04:55 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:52 imperator-xy wrote:but for esports to grow we really need sc2. you can only get new players and more public attention if you got something new. sadly, bw was becoming slightly smaller from year to year (even though they got korean air as a sponsor, just watch at the finals crowds). of course, bw would live and stay big for at least 3-5 years. but esports should be bigger. Your 'something new' will just be old and outdated in another 2 years. This is a horrible argument.
in 2 years heart of the swarm will just be released.
but you didnt get my point. its not about getting something new each year (like call of duty), you just need something new if you reached a point of stagnation.
bw wouldnt grow in korea and it could never combine foreign and korean esports. sc2 at least has the chance to do that.
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This is bad news for all of e-sports. If this is the attitude that blizzard is showing with it's games, killing them off one by one- then what is going to happen when the other expansions come out? The balance is going to be absolutely horrid, yet everyone will switch. What happens when sc3 comes out? or wc4? or any other blizz title? doing this will never make video games a sport. Killing of games before they even reach a prime. All this is doing is making more money.
What a sad way to see e-sports go.... with thunderous applause 
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On October 13 2010 04:58 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:57 matjlav wrote:On October 13 2010 04:56 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:53 matjlav wrote:On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse. On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:
I've already explained that I won't be that upset if SC2 turns out better than BW and has a thriving proscene, even if BW dies in that process. What's upsetting is that BW may be forced out by Blizzard's bullshit. Learn to read instead of making stupid assumptions. I was referring to your flawed assumption that SC2 somehow "bullied" BW into submission. WTH are you talking about "this much effort". The fans wanted those tournaments and they went out to create them. Not so much effort as it is WHAT THE FANS WANT. Ummmm... did you read the OP? I don't even know how to respond to this, lol Wanna point out where they put "so much effort" into bullying BW? Nothing implies anything of the sort. If you think the money they're giving a certain player is a lot of money, you obviously don't understand how the world works.
Again, I want to ask you if you've been paying attention at all. Does "KeSPA-Gretech negotiations" ring a bell? To summarize, Blizzard came in only after SC2 had been released and started demanding IP rights.
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On October 13 2010 01:58 konadora wrote:
i feel like marching in to blizzard's headquarters right now and grab Mike by the throat, god. fuck this shit.
And tell him what? That conditions on teams were so bad that the moment anyone had an option they immediately left? That coaches abused players to the point where even korean work ethic denied any further playing?
The methodology in which this is handled is wrong, by both sides especially KeSPA but above all we need to think of the players whom in the BW scene were pretty much abused and drained.
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Why is everyone so bitter about the SC2 switch????
"GAME MECHANICS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH SC2 SUCKS BLAH BLAH BLAH STARCRAFT 2 IS HORRID TO WATCH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"
To simply put it, Starcraft 2 is the new thing and more people play it. Simple as that. The majority rules last time I checked. Even if SC2 was this big pile of garbage that you seem to think it is, there are plenty of people that beg to differ.
Don't turn this into another CS 1.6 > Source type of argument. It'll achieve nothing.
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On October 13 2010 05:04 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:58 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:57 matjlav wrote:On October 13 2010 04:56 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:53 matjlav wrote:On October 13 2010 04:49 TOloseGT wrote:On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:If SC2 needs this much effort and bullying to get off the ground, then it's hardly good news for you. Lol, get off your high horse. On October 13 2010 04:48 matjlav wrote:
I've already explained that I won't be that upset if SC2 turns out better than BW and has a thriving proscene, even if BW dies in that process. What's upsetting is that BW may be forced out by Blizzard's bullshit. Learn to read instead of making stupid assumptions. I was referring to your flawed assumption that SC2 somehow "bullied" BW into submission. WTH are you talking about "this much effort". The fans wanted those tournaments and they went out to create them. Not so much effort as it is WHAT THE FANS WANT. Ummmm... did you read the OP? I don't even know how to respond to this, lol Wanna point out where they put "so much effort" into bullying BW? Nothing implies anything of the sort. If you think the money they're giving a certain player is a lot of money, you obviously don't understand how the world works. Again, I want to ask you if you've been paying attention at all. Does "KeSPA-Gretech negotiations" ring a bell? To summarize, Blizzard came in only after SC2 had been released and started demanding IP rights.
You mean the botched negotiations that we have little reliable information on except for hearsay? I make my judgments on fact.
I'm done talking to you extremist fans. I didn't have any ill-intent while posting my original response, yet you guys are so warped by your hate that you find every little thing to jump at. I still stand by my post that I seriously hope you guys learn to enjoy SC2 in the future, or find a greener pasture on the other side.
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Don't really want Sparkyz to merge, but I guess it's for the best. The funny thing is even with these two teams merging they still won't have a good Zerg player, just decent ones because Effort is gone. It's Hogil vs Orion/Hydra.
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I kind of wish you guys would stop getting trolled. When someone says 'bahaha now BW can finally die SC2 forever' or something yeah it's annoying, but when you start freaking out and then being aggressive towards other people who are seriously discussing it kind of makes people back away slowly from BW even more. Countertrolling / overreacting achieves nothing.
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On October 13 2010 05:08 BlackMagister wrote:
Don't really want Sparkyz to merge, but I guess it's for the best. The funny thing is even with these two teams merging they still won't have a good Zerg player, just decent ones because Effort is gone. It's Hogil vs Orion/Hydra.
Well Hite really didn't have that big of a chance ever since most of the other players were caught in that major scandal so I think it would have been best, especially with Leta having to play lone ranger. At least he'd get support from Movie/SkyHigh.
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