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AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
October 12 2010 19:00 GMT
#121
Pretty depressing news for BW, but at least it's good to know that starcraft2 can become popular in korea ^^
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
October 12 2010 19:00 GMT
#122
On October 13 2010 03:56 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:44 konadora wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:39 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:36 Slow Motion wrote:
And here come the SC2 fans yelling about world "domiantion." I like SC2/GSL and hope it succeeds, but if you don't realize what esports would be without pro-BW I feel really bad for you.


Has it occurred to you that some of us want E-Sports to go to the next level - to have even bigger success that BW?

and kill BW in the process?

sounds awesome!
not.


Kona, I don't know how much longer BW Pro League would last even if SC2 never existed. BW Pro League had a great 10 year run but could it last another 10 years?

You have to look at this from another side too. I'm sure you have a sweet spot for Nada, Boxer, etc. Now we can watch our favorite BW Bonjwas become relevant again. Would you not even slightly enjoy a potential Boxer vs Nada final? I'm quite happy that Boxer and Nada can resurrect their career and to be frank, I am cheering for Nada and Boxer over the new generation SC2 players like Fruitdealer, etc.

It would last a really long time. You clearly don't follow the BW scene because the strategies have been constantly evolving. That's what was so great about the game. Who are you to say that BW would not last another 10 years? Just because it's been around for a certain amount of time, we have to "move on?" Hey soccer has been around for ages. It's getting old and boring. Let's spice it up by giving players shoes that can make you accelerate and kick the ball even harder or something like that! Age has nothing to do with ANYTHING.
atarianimo
Profile Joined June 2007
United States82 Posts
October 12 2010 19:02 GMT
#123
On October 13 2010 03:49 Amnesia wrote:
"sc2 is a fun game to watch"

rofl


Hilarious. I mean, if it was fun to watch, there would be dozens of SC2 streams and hundreds of people watching at any hour of the day. That's clearly not the case. Sorry for my ignorance.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
October 12 2010 19:03 GMT
#124
On October 13 2010 04:02 atarianimo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:49 Amnesia wrote:
"sc2 is a fun game to watch"

rofl


Hilarious. I mean, if it was fun to watch, there would be dozens of SC2 streams and hundreds of people watching at any hour of the day. That's clearly not the case. Sorry for my ignorance.

Yeah I really prefer watching blob vs blob clusterfuck games.
Oh yeah, there really are a lot of SC2 streams. OH WAIT BECAUSE ITS A NEW FUCKING GAME.

You think it wasn't like that before SC2 came out? Yeah, you better be sorry for your ignorance.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
October 12 2010 19:04 GMT
#125
On October 13 2010 03:56 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:44 konadora wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:39 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:36 Slow Motion wrote:
And here come the SC2 fans yelling about world "domiantion." I like SC2/GSL and hope it succeeds, but if you don't realize what esports would be without pro-BW I feel really bad for you.


Has it occurred to you that some of us want E-Sports to go to the next level - to have even bigger success that BW?

and kill BW in the process?

sounds awesome!
not.


Kona, I don't know how much longer BW Pro League would last even if SC2 never existed. BW Pro League had a great 10 year run but could it last another 10 years?

You have to look at this from another side too. I'm sure you have a sweet spot for Nada, Boxer, etc. Now we can watch our favorite BW Bonjwas become relevant again. Would you not even slightly enjoy a potential Boxer vs Nada final? I'm quite happy that Boxer and Nada can resurrect their career and to be frank, I am cheering for Nada and Boxer over the new generation SC2 players like Fruitdealer, etc.

yes i would love to watch a Boxer vs Nada SC2 finals, i'm not sarcastic at all with this statement.

but why can't i watch both Boxer vs Nada SC2 finals and a Flash vs Jaedong (or something else) at the same time?
POGGERS
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
October 12 2010 19:04 GMT
#126
On October 13 2010 04:00 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:56 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:44 konadora wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:39 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:36 Slow Motion wrote:
And here come the SC2 fans yelling about world "domiantion." I like SC2/GSL and hope it succeeds, but if you don't realize what esports would be without pro-BW I feel really bad for you.


Has it occurred to you that some of us want E-Sports to go to the next level - to have even bigger success that BW?

and kill BW in the process?

sounds awesome!
not.


Kona, I don't know how much longer BW Pro League would last even if SC2 never existed. BW Pro League had a great 10 year run but could it last another 10 years?

You have to look at this from another side too. I'm sure you have a sweet spot for Nada, Boxer, etc. Now we can watch our favorite BW Bonjwas become relevant again. Would you not even slightly enjoy a potential Boxer vs Nada final? I'm quite happy that Boxer and Nada can resurrect their career and to be frank, I am cheering for Nada and Boxer over the new generation SC2 players like Fruitdealer, etc.

It would last a really long time. You clearly don't follow the BW scene because the strategies have been constantly evolving. That's what was so great about the game. Who are you to say that BW would not last another 10 years? Just because it's been around for a certain amount of time, we have to "move on?" Hey soccer has been around for ages. It's getting old and boring. Let's spice it up by giving players shoes that can make you accelerate and kick the ball even harder or something like that! Age has nothing to do with ANYTHING.

Well the appeal of soccer has never been technology related at its core, and yet technology has changed that game in many ways. But the high-tech appeal was part of Brood War's appeal.
There is also no question that starleague crowds have been shrinking, even before Brood War. OSL crowds seem to have been getting smaller since July vs. Best. The proleague final crowd was bigger this year than last, but is still far from the peak.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 12 2010 19:05 GMT
#127
On October 13 2010 04:00 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:56 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:44 konadora wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:39 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:36 Slow Motion wrote:
And here come the SC2 fans yelling about world "domiantion." I like SC2/GSL and hope it succeeds, but if you don't realize what esports would be without pro-BW I feel really bad for you.


Has it occurred to you that some of us want E-Sports to go to the next level - to have even bigger success that BW?

and kill BW in the process?

sounds awesome!
not.


Kona, I don't know how much longer BW Pro League would last even if SC2 never existed. BW Pro League had a great 10 year run but could it last another 10 years?

You have to look at this from another side too. I'm sure you have a sweet spot for Nada, Boxer, etc. Now we can watch our favorite BW Bonjwas become relevant again. Would you not even slightly enjoy a potential Boxer vs Nada final? I'm quite happy that Boxer and Nada can resurrect their career and to be frank, I am cheering for Nada and Boxer over the new generation SC2 players like Fruitdealer, etc.

It would last a really long time. You clearly don't follow the BW scene because the strategies have been constantly evolving. That's what was so great about the game. Who are you to say that BW would not last another 10 years? Just because it's been around for a certain amount of time, we have to "move on?" Hey soccer has been around for ages. It's getting old and boring. Let's spice it up by giving players shoes that can make you accelerate and kick the ball even harder or something like that! Age has nothing to do with ANYTHING.

The crappy thing about soccer is it focuses on people who are in shape and have good cardio too much. Cardio is boring and hard. If we can adapt the game to new technologies such as shoes that run for you, then we will have a much better and more exciting games as players can devote more energy to kicking the ball rather than running the field. Obviously.
aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
October 12 2010 19:07 GMT
#128
On October 13 2010 03:56 StarcraftMan wrote:
You have to look at this from another side too. I'm sure you have a sweet spot for Nada, Boxer, etc. Now we can watch our favorite BW Bonjwas become relevant again. Would you not even slightly enjoy a potential Boxer vs Nada final? I'm quite happy that Boxer and Nada can resurrect their career and to be frank, I am cheering for Nada and Boxer over the new generation SC2 players like Fruitdealer, etc.


How is (Z)Cool aka. Fruit Dealer, a new generation SC2 player? I don't see why people should have to look at this from another side. We should be able to get our Flash and Jaedong in BW and Boxer vs Nada in SC2. The situation sucks for people who enjoy only watching BW or people who enjoy watching both. SC2 only fans should stay out of the BW section.
leakingpear
Profile Joined March 2006
United Kingdom302 Posts
October 12 2010 19:07 GMT
#129
On October 13 2010 04:04 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:56 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:44 konadora wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:39 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:36 Slow Motion wrote:
And here come the SC2 fans yelling about world "domiantion." I like SC2/GSL and hope it succeeds, but if you don't realize what esports would be without pro-BW I feel really bad for you.


Has it occurred to you that some of us want E-Sports to go to the next level - to have even bigger success that BW?

and kill BW in the process?

sounds awesome!
not.


Kona, I don't know how much longer BW Pro League would last even if SC2 never existed. BW Pro League had a great 10 year run but could it last another 10 years?

You have to look at this from another side too. I'm sure you have a sweet spot for Nada, Boxer, etc. Now we can watch our favorite BW Bonjwas become relevant again. Would you not even slightly enjoy a potential Boxer vs Nada final? I'm quite happy that Boxer and Nada can resurrect their career and to be frank, I am cheering for Nada and Boxer over the new generation SC2 players like Fruitdealer, etc.

yes i would love to watch a Boxer vs Nada SC2 finals, i'm not sarcastic at all with this statement.

but why can't i watch both Boxer vs Nada SC2 finals and a Flash vs Jaedong (or something else) at the same time?


Because the korean eSports scene is actually the latest form of the Highlander and as we all know,

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!
atarianimo
Profile Joined June 2007
United States82 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-12 19:14:01
October 12 2010 19:08 GMT
#130
On October 13 2010 04:03 Amnesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 04:02 atarianimo wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:49 Amnesia wrote:
"sc2 is a fun game to watch"

rofl


Hilarious. I mean, if it was fun to watch, there would be dozens of SC2 streams and hundreds of people watching at any hour of the day. That's clearly not the case. Sorry for my ignorance.

Yeah I really prefer watching blob vs blob clusterfuck games.
Oh yeah, there really are a lot of SC2 streams. OH WAIT BECAUSE ITS A NEW FUCKING GAME.

You think it wasn't like that before SC2 came out? Yeah, you better be sorry for your ignorance.


I feel bad about the way that BW is losing popularity too, so I'm not going to comment on this anymore. Kinda feels like pouring salt on a wound. I just wish Kespa and Blizzard would have negotiated in the beginning and we could have both games survive and flourish.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 12 2010 19:09 GMT
#131
On October 13 2010 04:07 leakingpear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 04:04 konadora wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:56 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:44 konadora wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:39 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:36 Slow Motion wrote:
And here come the SC2 fans yelling about world "domiantion." I like SC2/GSL and hope it succeeds, but if you don't realize what esports would be without pro-BW I feel really bad for you.


Has it occurred to you that some of us want E-Sports to go to the next level - to have even bigger success that BW?

and kill BW in the process?

sounds awesome!
not.


Kona, I don't know how much longer BW Pro League would last even if SC2 never existed. BW Pro League had a great 10 year run but could it last another 10 years?

You have to look at this from another side too. I'm sure you have a sweet spot for Nada, Boxer, etc. Now we can watch our favorite BW Bonjwas become relevant again. Would you not even slightly enjoy a potential Boxer vs Nada final? I'm quite happy that Boxer and Nada can resurrect their career and to be frank, I am cheering for Nada and Boxer over the new generation SC2 players like Fruitdealer, etc.

yes i would love to watch a Boxer vs Nada SC2 finals, i'm not sarcastic at all with this statement.

but why can't i watch both Boxer vs Nada SC2 finals and a Flash vs Jaedong (or something else) at the same time?


Because the korean eSports scene is actually the latest form of the Highlander and as we all know,

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!

Noooooo!!! Why can't we just live in peace like Sean Connery wanted to do?
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
October 12 2010 19:10 GMT
#132
On October 13 2010 03:58 wiesel wrote:

What is happening at the moment is big step backwards for e-sports.


"A big European company has offered a current BW player a big contract with a condition of transitioning to SC2. It's one of those "what if he were to play SC2" type big name player. The offer is by far the biggest in SC2. The player in question has recently resigned (Stork, Leta, Jaedong, and Flash are the only publicly known ones"

When was the last time a big European company was willing to offer a big contract to a BW player, a contract that is more lucrative than what the local Korean companies are willing to provide? The contract in question obviously pays more than what the team for this player is paying him. How is this a step backwards when big European sponsors are jumping into the E-Sports scene?
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
October 12 2010 19:10 GMT
#133
this rages me so fucking much....
FUCKING A BLIZZARD, YOU ARE TRAITORS TO THE FANS
you won't ever get a single cent from me, ever again.
fuck sc2, im glad i was initally boycotting them
this just makes sure i will keep my resolve even though so many of my friends play.
this is simply disgusting
konadora.. i feel you man... someone needs to storm blizzard's hQ and tell them to stop being douchebags. they aren't hurting kespa (they are all multimillion dollar companies larger than blizzard for some of them) but they are hurting the fans!
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
October 12 2010 19:13 GMT
#134
On October 13 2010 04:10 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:58 wiesel wrote:

What is happening at the moment is big step backwards for e-sports.


"A big European company has offered a current BW player a big contract with a condition of transitioning to SC2. It's one of those "what if he were to play SC2" type big name player. The offer is by far the biggest in SC2. The player in question has recently resigned (Stork, Leta, Jaedong, and Flash are the only publicly known ones"

When was the last time a big European company was willing to offer a big contract to a BW player, a contract that is more lucrative than what the local Korean companies are willing to provide? The contract in question obviously pays more than what the team for this player is paying him. How is this a step backwards when big European sponsors are jumping into the E-Sports scene?


There's been plenty of big companies and eSports events in Europe and the US but how many have lasted successfully and stably for so long? Every new game gets jumped on but only for a short period and that's unfortunately whats wrong with international eSports.
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
October 12 2010 19:13 GMT
#135
On October 13 2010 04:10 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:58 wiesel wrote:

What is happening at the moment is big step backwards for e-sports.


"A big European company has offered a current BW player a big contract with a condition of transitioning to SC2. It's one of those "what if he were to play SC2" type big name player. The offer is by far the biggest in SC2. The player in question has recently resigned (Stork, Leta, Jaedong, and Flash are the only publicly known ones"

When was the last time a big European company was willing to offer a big contract to a BW player, a contract that is more lucrative than what the local Korean companies are willing to provide? The contract in question obviously pays more than what the team for this player is paying him. How is this a step backwards when big European sponsors are jumping into the E-Sports scene?

I guess it was MYM and we know how that ended.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
October 12 2010 19:14 GMT
#136
On October 13 2010 04:10 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:58 wiesel wrote:

What is happening at the moment is big step backwards for e-sports.


"A big European company has offered a current BW player a big contract with a condition of transitioning to SC2. It's one of those "what if he were to play SC2" type big name player. The offer is by far the biggest in SC2. The player in question has recently resigned (Stork, Leta, Jaedong, and Flash are the only publicly known ones"

When was the last time a big European company was willing to offer a big contract to a BW player, a contract that is more lucrative than what the local Korean companies are willing to provide? The contract in question obviously pays more than what the team for this player is paying him. How is this a step backwards when big European sponsors are jumping into the E-Sports scene?


because they are sponsoring ONE PLAYER, not a team, just ONE Player for advertising purposes.
come back to me when their are 10-20 teams, where every good player is salaried, housed, fed, all in the name of the game

fuCKKKKKKKkk YOUUU BLIZZARD/ACTIVISION
you are ruining the one thing i love
i'm going to korea for a wedding at christmas time too and wanted to catch a live game.
because of you fuckers, it might not come to fruitation.
FUCK YOU!
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-12 19:15:27
October 12 2010 19:14 GMT
#137
On October 13 2010 04:10 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 03:58 wiesel wrote:

What is happening at the moment is big step backwards for e-sports.


"A big European company has offered a current BW player a big contract with a condition of transitioning to SC2. It's one of those "what if he were to play SC2" type big name player. The offer is by far the biggest in SC2. The player in question has recently resigned (Stork, Leta, Jaedong, and Flash are the only publicly known ones"

When was the last time a big European company was willing to offer a big contract to a BW player, a contract that is more lucrative than what the local Korean companies are willing to provide? The contract in question obviously pays more than what the team for this player is paying him. How is this a step backwards when big European sponsors are jumping into the E-Sports scene?

This rumour is ridiculous. Idk why people believe that lol.

Self-fulfilling prophecy ? =)
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
October 12 2010 19:15 GMT
#138
These rumors are definitely depressing, it certainly looks like BW has met its end.

All things considered it had a great run and entertained us all for countless hours, but all good things must come to an end. I'll definitely remember all the great games and emotional starleague victories, all we can do at this point is hope that SC2 brings us similar (or maybe even better) experiences.
powered by coffee, driven by hate.
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
October 12 2010 19:17 GMT
#139
On October 13 2010 04:13 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2010 04:10 StarcraftMan wrote:
On October 13 2010 03:58 wiesel wrote:

What is happening at the moment is big step backwards for e-sports.


"A big European company has offered a current BW player a big contract with a condition of transitioning to SC2. It's one of those "what if he were to play SC2" type big name player. The offer is by far the biggest in SC2. The player in question has recently resigned (Stork, Leta, Jaedong, and Flash are the only publicly known ones"

When was the last time a big European company was willing to offer a big contract to a BW player, a contract that is more lucrative than what the local Korean companies are willing to provide? The contract in question obviously pays more than what the team for this player is paying him. How is this a step backwards when big European sponsors are jumping into the E-Sports scene?


There's been plenty of big companies and eSports events in Europe and the US but how many have lasted successfully and stably for so long? Every new game gets jumped on but only for a short period and that's unfortunately whats wrong with international eSports.


My sentiments exactly regarding the big company and the BW Player potential sponsorship.

The big company may just be one of those companies that decide to hop on the initial bandwagon/hype surrounding the eSport, then later just decide to fade away and hop on the next "exciting" game.

When a big company begins to start being interested in running an ACTUAL TEAM, then I'll rethink my thoughts on the potential of SC2.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 12 2010 19:19 GMT
#140


KT Rolster coach Lee Ji Hoon
IP and public property is important, but... People don't know the biggest hurdle in the negotiations and are just arguing with themselves. I'm not allowed to disclose any information, but when you find out... you will probably be extremely upset... Man...


Wow man that is so depressing... We need more information ffs !
btw @OP thanks for the updates and translations
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