Rumors circulating in Korean E-Sports scene - Page 3

On October 13 2010 02:11 Murderotica wrote:

We are not witnessing a growth we are witnessing a surrender to capitalist ideals. We can't blame them for wanting to secure a better fiscal future for themselves, but by that token we shouldn't hate Benedict Arnold for switching to what he thought was the winning side. A logical decision can have moral downfalls. That's how I feel. At the first true speedbump in the smooth running of PL, suddenly everyone jumps ship and swims to the enemy, instead of trying to keep SC1 alive they have dollar signs in their eyes. Fuck, I would do the same thing if I didn't absolutely love the game. Makes it obvious to me that progamers are just laborers, looking for the bigger check, not people who truly love the game.

On October 13 2010 02:14 raga4ka wrote:


No offense , but this are still only rumors . Unless it's official it means nothing . There is also the rumor that Mike Morhaime was "bitchslaped" by the korean government . I'm geting tired of this rumors .

On October 13 2010 01:54 Murderotica wrote:
I wish SC2 never came out and Gretech never existed. I agree with konadora. Everyone involved killed something beautiful. If even 2-3 more of these rumors are true, it's fucking terrible and a total disaster.

On October 13 2010 02:30 StarcraftMan wrote:


I don't want to go over the laundry list of rumors that became reality with respect to BW -> SC2.

Nada rumored to leave Wemade and switch over to SC2? Check

Boxer rumored to leave Wemade and switch over to SC2? Check

Iloveoov rumored to be playing SC2 (even though many denied he had time to do it)? Check

You get the point.

On October 13 2010 01:54 Murderotica wrote:
I wish SC2 never came out and Gretech never existed. I agree with konadora. Everyone involved killed something beautiful. If even 2-3 more of these rumors are true, it's fucking terrible and a total disaster.

On October 13 2010 02:29 leakingpear wrote:


You say that like KeSPA haven't been abusing the eSports movement for years and years now in order to further the companies that constitute it in terms of advertising and even revenue through the PL broadcasting rights issue. The players have been systematically trained to downplay their own efforts and achievements so they don't at any point abuse their celebrity in a way that could upset the systems that KeSPA have created. This is probably the first time in 6 or 7 years that many of these progamers have thought about anything but progressing within the current rigid system, without ever questioning whether the system itself is a good idea in the first place.

The Korean eSports scene thrived because of the combination of celebrity and production values, of which sponsors were needed, but ever since the Boxer boom the balance of power has slowly and steadily swung into a system where players are meant to just be grateful to play for such a venerable and great team and give up everything in order to continue. I suspect the majority of progamers still love brood war, but that doesn't mean they should love the perverted system that just happens to be the only choice, especially when they can have better prospects in a game that's very similar and has the added option of being somewhat undiscovered in terms of strategy.

Also progamers are people, people with lives and not zealots for the great god brood war intent on dying for their cause, as much as you won't want to admit it, brood war is just a game and these kids probably have other ambitions down the road, like going to college, or having a family, or selling fruit.

On October 13 2010 02:38 Murderotica wrote:


I already said that I can't blame progamers for leaving for the money. It just is depressing, because money rules everything, and a superior game will die just because it doesn't have enough money being pumped into it compared to other games.

On October 13 2010 02:32 Lightwip wrote:
To be honest, as long as copyright/loss of support doesn't sink BW, I think it will recover. A lot of the players will eventually realize that they have no future in SC2 will either return to BW or quit if everyone hates them for going to SC2. But if MSL goes or they don't get PL to run, we'll lose the proscene.

On October 13 2010 02:42 Ryo wrote:


If they can keep proleague going, I think the BW scene will survive.

On October 13 2010 02:22 Murderotica wrote:

Yea, they don't love the game anymore, is that what you're trying to tell me? Because that's what I said. Sure I don't doubt they loved it at some point. They just don't anymore. Making a contingency plan is different from retiring from your current job and starting a new one. A contingency plan is like... Playing SC2 during your spare time in between practice for BW. They just all jumped ship.

IMO teams will always be looking to recruit former BW pros in SC2. That will never change, so they are set. The problem is that SC2 = money only for results, not for being part of a team. That's why so many people are trying to get that quick cash now. Pretty much they are placing their bets on winning/placing high in the tourney knowing that they won't get a salary if they switch to SC2. I.e. a more primitive proscene is attracting gamers just like going all-in does in poker.

On October 13 2010 02:41 snowdrift wrote:


That's why KeSPA is pissing me off too. Blizzard and Gretech started this whole bullshit, but my one small hope was that competition from SC2 would force KeSPA to inject more money into the scene, improve players' work conditions etc. Instead they'll just jump ship. :/

On October 13 2010 01:49 konadora wrote:
fuck you activision
fuck you blizzard
fuck you gretech
fuck you kespa

i feel so disgusted right now