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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
October 11 2010 05:41 GMT
#401
WHERE'S MA PROLEAGUE?!?!?!?!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Borknagarush
Profile Joined February 2009
176 Posts
October 11 2010 05:58 GMT
#402
WHERE'S MA PROLEAGUE?!?!?!?!

In jail.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
October 11 2010 06:19 GMT
#403
Hopefully starting up on the 16th of Oct like they had promised.

I really hope that Blizz wont succeed in smashing a significant chunk of their fanbase this time round.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44396 Posts
October 11 2010 06:40 GMT
#404
On October 11 2010 06:33 ffreakk wrote:
Well assuming both sides being wrong, i would think that the one being wrong first will be held more responsible?

I dont know what is more painful.. Idiotic uninformed 1-liner or long-winded informed essays.. Pretty much the only argument that Blizz fans are yapping around is that "Its a Blizz-made game so they can do whatever they want with it".. Cmon theres a reason we have laws against Child Abuse.. Just cos you created something does not, and should not mean you have full control over its usage in society.. Much more so in Blizz case where they even already got PAID for it.

It's not quite the same thing as child abuse. Also when you buy a product you don't suddenly own the rights for that product.
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mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
October 11 2010 06:51 GMT
#405
Eight of developing a pro scene and making basicaly free advertisiment of a game that has been totaly forgotten from its developers is not exactly suddenly.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
October 11 2010 07:19 GMT
#406
Kwark, i believe upon paying for a product i have already obtain the rights to use that particular product that i paid for. Of course its different now with SC2's screwed up EULA but it wasnt so for SC:BW.

I am aware that Child Abuse is a little different, just used it as a reference to the fact that one shouldnt be entitled all rights to something just because they created it.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
October 11 2010 07:37 GMT
#407
I think that separation of powers is important. Should all power go to Blizzard and they become free to do whatever they want it won't be good for E-Sports in the long run.

If Blizzard wants to make money with E-Sports they shall go and offer a better tournament series than those that already exist. It is the same as with Ink Cartridge, Internet Explorer and other stuff - if companies get a monopoly for selling/marketing stuff that you use AFTER you bought the initial product, these things will be incredibly sucky and overpriced compared to what a free market could produce.

Thus my conclusion is that in the sense of a free market economy everyone should be free to run a Video Game tournament series, just like everyone is free to run a chess or soccer tournament if he finds the sponsors and players for it.
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 07:41:41
October 11 2010 07:40 GMT
#408
On October 11 2010 16:19 ffreakk wrote:I am aware that Child Abuse is a little different, just used it as a reference to the fact that one shouldnt be entitled all rights to something just because they created it.


They had also created it using tools that they didn't create themselves. They don't pay royalties for everybody who made computer technology possible, actually they pay royalties for none of those people, they had only brought hardware once. Just try to imagine if you would have to pay to everybody who made some innovation in every invention that you use, and that it would be patented forever, nobody can't seriously believe that this would be good.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 12:14:47
October 11 2010 12:00 GMT
#409
On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
This debate is border-line idiotic. I'll preface my argument with the notion that I will not use statistics or anything of that sort just because I don't feel like making up numbers today.

Kespa (well, before it formed, someone) saw a game that was getting a lot of attention in Korea. There was a PC-bang boom so to speak, and video games (especially some of the easy-to-pirate variety, aka perhaps SC!) were getting fairly popular in the Korean culture. Kespa formed on the notion that there is a market for this product we call e-sports. If Kespa was not around, there simply would have been another organization called PKFAF or KSFOTG or even STJUWTUWTY34692 to run the show. Not to undermine their accomplishments, they took this young child and grew it to be as big as possible. However, the notion that Kespa was the reason why E-sports developed in Korea is most probably not true. They simply took an advantage of a situation. The fact that they made it grow is really irrelevant because any business would have done the same. I would also like to mention that every time you see a commercial, you are basically paying money. So really the programming is not "free".


You still dont understand. They did not only made the game fandom growing. THEY PROTECTED IT FROM BEING DEAD.

On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
So what does this all mean? Nothing really. Kespa or any organization would have been in that situation. The fact that Blizzard "needed" Kespa is really not true. Its not like they were living off Starcraft sales. In fact, since it was so much after release, $5 times a copy is negligible in the grand scheme of things when 11 million are paying $15 a month. Did Kespa need Blizzard? There would have been another game they could have used, so I doubt it.


Thats true, but Blizzard really gain a big profits with that, i suspect much more than they ever had without it.

On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
Now on to IP rights. Not recognizing IP rights is very dangerous. If you look at World of Warcraft. Can you imagine if private servers were legal (they are not only because of IP rights)? It would make the game 100% free. Even better, the people running the server can charge less and take ALL the profits from Blizzard who put millions of dollars into the game. The same thing would happen with Diablo2, 3, and Starcraft 2.


Overrusing it is also dangerous, becouse it will make a lot of absurds pretty soon. But involving in the CONTRACTS is just intolerable.

On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
On a more personal note, I really could not give a fuck about Kespa. And I'm not talking about the way the company runs. Lets ignore the fact that they run their teams similar to a military than the actual military. Lets ignore the fact that they control the ever living shit out of their players, as to not allow them to participate in any non-kespa-sanctioned tournaments (usually any tournaments outside of Korea). And last but not least, lets ignore the fact that they DQ'd players because they hit their enter key on accident and typed "/". The reason I don't care is because Kespa really does not care about E-sports out of Korea. They have done nothing to grow it outside of Korea (ok a match in China isn't really "outside of Korea"). However, If E-sports were to grow outside of Korea (you know, where all of us live), it would probably be due to Blizzard. This is why I want Blizzard to succeed and not Kespa.


"Dont giving fuck about KESPA" means "dont giving fuck about e-sport at all". This is the basic thing you dont understand. They are the true pioneers in profesional e-sport, the only thing that prevents any e-sport industry from stagnation. They dont slow down the e-sport abroad, in fact- they really did the opposite. Samsung, the company involved in KeSPA was the one that sponsored the very first WCG as i remember exacly.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 12:21:43
October 11 2010 12:17 GMT
#410
On October 11 2010 21:00 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
This debate is border-line idiotic. I'll preface my argument with the notion that I will not use statistics or anything of that sort just because I don't feel like making up numbers today.

Kespa (well, before it formed, someone) saw a game that was getting a lot of attention in Korea. There was a PC-bang boom so to speak, and video games (especially some of the easy-to-pirate variety, aka perhaps SC!) were getting fairly popular in the Korean culture. Kespa formed on the notion that there is a market for this product we call e-sports. If Kespa was not around, there simply would have been another organization called PKFAF or KSFOTG or even STJUWTUWTY34692 to run the show. Not to undermine their accomplishments, they took this young child and grew it to be as big as possible. However, the notion that Kespa was the reason why E-sports developed in Korea is most probably not true. They simply took an advantage of a situation. The fact that they made it grow is really irrelevant because any business would have done the same. I would also like to mention that every time you see a commercial, you are basically paying money. So really the programming is not "free".


You still dont understand. They did not only made the game fandom growing. THEY PROTECTED IT FROM BEING DEAD.

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
So what does this all mean? Nothing really. Kespa or any organization would have been in that situation. The fact that Blizzard "needed" Kespa is really not true. Its not like they were living off Starcraft sales. In fact, since it was so much after release, $5 times a copy is negligible in the grand scheme of things when 11 million are paying $15 a month. Did Kespa need Blizzard? There would have been another game they could have used, so I doubt it.


Thats true, but Blizzard really gain a big profits with that, i suspect much more than they ever had without it.

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
Now on to IP rights. Not recognizing IP rights is very dangerous. If you look at World of Warcraft. Can you imagine if private servers were legal (they are not only because of IP rights)? It would make the game 100% free. Even better, the people running the server can charge less and take ALL the profits from Blizzard who put millions of dollars into the game. The same thing would happen with Diablo2, 3, and Starcraft 2.


Overrusing it is also dangerous, becouse it will make a lot of absurds pretty soon. But involving in the CONTRACTS is just intolerable.

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 07:05 mprs wrote:
On a more personal note, I really could not give a fuck about Kespa. And I'm not talking about the way the company runs. Lets ignore the fact that they run their teams similar to a military than the actual military. Lets ignore the fact that they control the ever living shit out of their players, as to not allow them to participate in any non-kespa-sanctioned tournaments (usually any tournaments outside of Korea). And last but not least, lets ignore the fact that they DQ'd players because they hit their enter key on accident and typed "/". The reason I don't care is because Kespa really does not care about E-sports out of Korea. They have done nothing to grow it outside of Korea (ok a match in China isn't really "outside of Korea"). However, If E-sports were to grow outside of Korea (you know, where all of us live), it would probably be due to Blizzard. This is why I want Blizzard to succeed and not Kespa.


"Dont giving fuck about KESPA" means "dont giving fuck about e-sport at all". This is the basic thing you dont understand. They are the true pioneers in profesional e-sport, the only thing that prevents any e-sport industry from stagnation. They dont slow down the e-sport abroad, in fact- they really mad the opposite. Samsung, the company involved in KeSPA was the one who sponsored the very first WCG as i remember exacly.


Yep and Samsung is STILL the main sponsor of WCG.

Btw, the verdict on what will happen to the estro team will be revealed tomorrow.
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33212
KT are also holding a one-day workshop for the 2010-11 season.
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33218
Hopefully this is a good indication that proleague is about to start.

Actually lotsa other BW news lately but my Korean is not good enough to translate full articles. =(
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
October 11 2010 12:34 GMT
#411
Ohhh can't wait for the news to be translated. brb while i draw love hearts on the blocked labelled 16/10 on my calendar =]
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 11 2010 13:09 GMT
#412
Someone please translate stuff like that. I'm dying to find out what's going on in the BW-scene.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
October 11 2010 13:33 GMT
#413
On October 11 2010 22:09 Holgerius wrote:
Someone please translate stuff like that. I'm dying to find out what's going on in the BW-scene.


Same here.

Interview with Fantasy, a few pictures:
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33101
He talks about Flash and Jaedong among other things. Totally irrelevant but he's wearing a Beams jacket, bought from their Japan trip?

There was also an announcement a few weeks back about the SKT Head Coach's wife being pregnant.

That's about all I can remember at the moment.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
October 11 2010 13:58 GMT
#414
wow government is involved now? >_>
this is going a little far...
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
October 11 2010 14:02 GMT
#415
On October 11 2010 22:33 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 22:09 Holgerius wrote:
Someone please translate stuff like that. I'm dying to find out what's going on in the BW-scene.


Same here.

Interview with Fantasy, a few pictures:
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33101
He talks about Flash and Jaedong among other things. Totally irrelevant but he's wearing a Beams jacket, bought from their Japan trip?

There was also an announcement a few weeks back about the SKT Head Coach's wife being pregnant.

That's about all I can remember at the moment.


That son of a gun... :p

There is always joy in the midst of chaos...
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
October 11 2010 14:09 GMT
#416
On October 11 2010 22:33 Ryo wrote:SKT Head Coach's wife being pregnant.

But Park JUST got married. Did it happen before marriage?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
SkyLegenD
Profile Joined February 2010
United States304 Posts
October 11 2010 14:29 GMT
#417
Blizzard is a greedy little bitch. If I were the CEO of Blizzard, I would be sending thank-you cards to KeSPA every day for the amount of money I was able to make off just selling BW.
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-11 14:37:40
October 11 2010 14:34 GMT
#418
On October 11 2010 23:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2010 22:33 Ryo wrote:SKT Head Coach's wife being pregnant.

But Park JUST got married. Did it happen before marriage?


Wow, looks like she's already given birth. I kid you not. lol.
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33063

According to the article, she was 6mths pregnant when they were married in August. Due to deliver on Dec 1st but on Oct 5th they announced that the baby arrived 2 mths early by Caesarian at Samsung Medical Center. Mother and child are in good health says Park.

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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
October 11 2010 14:43 GMT
#419
I totally agree! fuck blizzard! how DARE THEY make Brood War????? and how DARE THEY make SC2? and how DARE THEY make WC3?

....hold on a second, aren't those 3 games the most competitive RTS games there are? hey, correct me if i'm wrong but didnt BW spawn e-sports?

boo blizzard! booo! you suck. you guys need to realize that there are laws when it comes to making profits off of someone else's work, and this is just as much about KeSPA being douchebags as it is about blizzard being arrogant asses. Rooting for either is retarded. Backing KeSPA is retarded, 'oh there wouldnt be a pro scne without kespa' well there wouldnt be a fucking kespa without blizzard.
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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
October 11 2010 14:52 GMT
#420
On October 11 2010 23:43 PlaGuE_R wrote:
I totally agree! fuck blizzard! how DARE THEY make Brood War????? and how DARE THEY make SC2? and how DARE THEY make WC3?

....hold on a second, aren't those 3 games the most competitive RTS games there are? hey, correct me if i'm wrong but didnt BW spawn e-sports?

boo blizzard! booo! you suck. you guys need to realize that there are laws when it comes to making profits off of someone else's work, and this is just as much about KeSPA being douchebags as it is about blizzard being arrogant asses. Rooting for either is retarded. Backing KeSPA is retarded, 'oh there wouldnt be a pro scne without kespa' well there wouldnt be a fucking kespa without blizzard.

Your sarcasm is not appreciated. Once again someone fails to do their homework. It's not about refusing to pay royalties, maybe if you did your research you could crawl out of the rock Blizzard created for you to live under.
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