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On September 01 2010 10:17 PulseNova wrote:
I hope KeSPA dies in the ass.
They claim to care about esports, however they show no interest in anything that isn't SCBW. Esports goes beyond SCBW.
They claim to be a players association, however at no stage have they ever considered the best interests of the players, nor have they operated in the best interests of the players.
Blizzard fucked KeSPA up, then transferred the rights to Gretech with the intent of letting them finish KeSPA off for them.
Bottom line: KeSPA will have learnt a lesson from trying to fuck with Blizzard. I'm so glad those c*nts got ruined and I can't wait for them to stupidly start their Proleague only to get sued by Gretech and lose horribly. Fuck you KeSPA.
Stop swearing. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and what is this about. Try educating yourself a but before you post anything and keep your hate away from here.
And you're posting that you hope that BW will die in the BW forum?
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Kespa and the proleague teams might as well be dead for the SC franchise.
Even if they do come out with an agreement, they will no longer be the dominant host for SC tournaments. If they are no longer the dominant host, they will lack the money to support the proleague teams and the teams will have to start cutting back on their players or even disbanding.
For pro-gaming to be successful you need to have a dictator that manages a uniform ladder, ranking and tournament, otherwise, you get so many mini-leagues and tournaments that doesn't seem to hold any values in the audience eyes. Kespa used to be this evil dictator, and they are being oust by Blizzard and Gretech. Gretech will be new dictator with Blizzard pulling the strings in the back.
Possible outcomes:
1. Kespa sells the 12 proleague team contracts to Gretech to handle then call it quits.
2. Kespa gets Gretech's license and run their own 'proleague' tournaments, which will consequently diminish the 12 team's quality due to proleague no longer the dominate competition.
3. Kespa does not get Gretech's license and disbands the 12 teams.
4. Gretech acquires Kespa.
With Kespa's experience with running tournaments, the best case scenario would be for Gretech to acquire Kespa along with the teams' contracts. However, seeing how they are both negotiating like kids, it is doubtful they will come to this scenario. The second best option, is for kespa to simply sell Gretech the contracts for the survival of the proleague teams. Any other outcomes will toll the teams and leading to eventual disband.
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even till page 9 there are alot of idiots who still dont know what kespa is.
please freaking read.
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OP Updated.
KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague.
We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there.
However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL.
One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?"
However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech.
The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here"
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On September 01 2010 12:36 Milkis wrote:
However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL"
Shocker. Thanks again Milkis.
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On September 01 2010 12:36 Milkis wrote:OP Updated. Show nested quote +KeSPA, while explaining the background behind why they started considering force starting the 2010~2011 Proleague, claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on Proleague.
We know that KeSPA has met with Gretech 4 times, and said that it was impossible to reimburse Gretech regarding Proleague, and the negotiations ended there.
However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL.
One person who has participated in the negotiations, has said that "KeSPA, from the very beginning, has shown willingness to reimburse intellectual property fees for the Proleague", adding that "While they do have an income from broadcasting rights of the Proleague, but because this is all used to operate the Proleague, they might as well not have any income", and said that they have shown all related budget accounts. Continuing, they have asked Gretech "Even though Proleague does not have any real profits, we will pay intellectual property fees, so how much does Gretech want?"
However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech.
The person added that "Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong", and said that "I really want to reveal everything about the negotiations and be judged on who is making the wrong judgments here"
I wonder how the sc2 guys are going to try and twist this into kespa being the debbil now lol.
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lol fu gretech.
pretty obvious who we should root for now.
seems like the situation is:
kespa : we will pay rights for proleague. nothing more.
gretech : no damage done to GSL please.
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wow people are so greedy. sc1 is doomed. unless KeSPA clone sc1 and just rename everything like they did to CS
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dicks, pussies, and assholes
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SEE, SC2 guys?! Gretech, under the arm of Blizzard, is trying to sweep BW under the rug. What ever happened to noble intentions of letting both games run at the same time? This is such a cowardly move by Gretech, and Blizzard. Stupid idiots!
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Fuck Gretech. People who think SC2 is the dominating force in E-sports are highly mistaken. Nobody gives a fuck about SC2 in Korea right now. Sorry but its true. Most pc bangs are devoid of people playing SC2 and instead many more people still play BW over SC2. This will NOT change until the pro teams switch over to SC2. This is unlikely anytime in the near future because teams would have to start from scratch with a brand new game. They wouldnt be profitable for quite a long time till SC2 becomes firmly established with proper sponsors and infrastructure. Its obvious Gretech feels threatened and knows it cant become profitable until the current proleague is gone and switched over to SC2. How can you blame the pro teams/kespa for not wanting to switch over, lose money, and destroy a proven system that works for them for some shitty GSL? Most people in Korea dont even fucking care or know about the GSL.
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Wow Gretech, I can't believe this. They're basically saying FU to KeSPA for running the proleague. There is no way that proleague will not cause harm to the GSL, and they don't even want money from KeSPA...since KeSPA offered to pay them. Gretech is raping KeSPA, literally. Shoving an SC2 down their ass without consent... lol
Gretech: "KeSPA, please let me rape u, or die."
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This thread is meant to inform about an issue, not provide a venue for posters to spew venom. Try to discuss the issue without rape analogies or gratuitous profanity please.
And also, for the love of god, if you are not up to date on the whole situation, don't post and go read about it. So many messages here are ignorant of the whole situation.
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If anyone kills Proleague, it will make what Ma Ja Yoon and the others did to the sport seem saintly indeed.
I seriously hope that it resolves itself, but I fear that this would be a path for a much greater disaster, like the death of televised e-sport.
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Gretech has said "If KeSPA rejects negotiations related to monetary payments, then from an industry operation viewpoint, let us know how you will reimburse Gretech", and "Since there may be a lot of noise if we reveal the amount of monetary payment we want and may look like we're forcing the amount, let us know if you have a monetary payment in mind".
However, there are some new information that came into light. KeSPA has revealed that they would like to pay for intellectual property rights, and that Gretech has refused this, and claimed that Gretech has refused to sign off on the Proleague because of GSL.
Its always like this, each sides has its own stories and the truth has to be somewhere in the middle.
...Even though Proleague does not have any real profits...
lol wtf does that even mean, so vague.
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Karmic for Kespa boycotting GSL but I don't think the proteams or the players should suffer for Gretech's sense of vengeance and greed. They're destroying the infrastructure that, if it didn't exist, would make SC2 "progaming" a joke.
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Both sides contributed in some way to the epic retardness of the situation. The progamers are the ones most hurt by this situation really, and further the fans, for having the future of this up in the air as it is.
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This does make Gretech look pretty bad, but the problem is that the negotiations are still under NDA. This could easily be someone spinning this one way or the other. I think it would do everyone good to wait and see exactly what is going on before jumping to conclusions.Then again, it is the internet, so no chance of that happening.
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