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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:03 Onisparda wrote: Its always like this, each sides has its own stories and the truth has to be somewhere in the middle. lol wtf does that even mean, so vague. All of Kespa's profits, from Broadcasting Rights, go to supporting and paying for Proleague. Very little money is left over so thats why there isn't any "real profit" | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
I mean at this point BW is stagnant it is contributing zero new players outside of the handfull of Koreans who will pick it up; for BW to continue new generations will have to want to play it and having a 12 year old game be the pinnacle of e-sports is pushing it. | ||
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Onisparda
Canada516 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:09 ArvickHero wrote: All of Kespa's profits, from Broadcasting Rights, go to supporting and paying for Proleague. Very little money is left over so thats why there isn't any "real profit" Profit is profit, they could have said that they dont make a lot of profit instead. A lot less ambiguous. Trivial matter cuz the meaning could have been lost in translation. To me that sounds like they are trying to appear to be non-profit but don't want to lie about it. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
Now that's just greedy and anti-competitive behavior that I really can't justify. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
What's literally insane is that this is happening after OGN has already done a deal for this OSL, and after even KeSPA has said they're willing to pay for IP rights. It's becoming harder and harder to paint Gretech/Blizzard as the good guys here, and the fact that they're actively working to phase out BW and phase in SC2 is becoming even more obvious. This is just saddening. | ||
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aru
183 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:18 Onisparda wrote: Profit is profit, they could have said that they dont make a lot of profit instead. A lot less ambiguous. Trivial matter cuz the meaning could have been lost in translation. To me that sounds like they are trying to appear to be non-profit but don't want to lie about it. Kespa is non-profit. It is probably ambiguous because it's an unofficial translation from the Korean article. | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:10 DonKey_ wrote: so uh its been 12 years now since starcraft's release do people really see this lasting much longer.... really? I mean at this point BW is stagnant it is contributing zero new players outside of the handfull of Koreans who will pick it up; for BW to continue new generations will have to want to play it and having a 12 year old game be the pinnacle of e-sports is pushing it. Excuse me? "BW is stagnant"? "...having a 12 year old game be the pinnacle of e-sports is pushing it"? What rock have you been living under? BW was and ALWAYS will be the pinnacle of e-sports for a long time to come. Nowhere else in the world have we seen a more successful proleague (two for that matter). We are talking full-time progamers, paid full-time on a salary basis. Even then, the quality of the televised matches are unmatched; have you even watched the old days of Boxer, Nada, iloveoov and Savior? The reason why BW has lasted this long is because of the success of Kespa (no matter its shortcomings) and the devotion of its fans. I don't think BW will die out anytime soon, that is, UNLESS Blizzard continues to push this issue even further. I really despise their attitude in this, but I do not want to keep on swearing for now. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
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shadesofkarma
Romania708 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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sAAvior
Poland248 Posts
Can someone from Korea comment if there is chance for that ? | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
On September 01 2010 14:13 sAAvior wrote: I just hope it will go to Korean court and they will say that Blizzard has no rights to tell who, how, and for how much money is playing or broadcasting their game. Can someone from Korea comment if there is chance for that ? Not being a lawyer, I can't predict much about a hypothetical trial. But my line of thinking is: If KeSPA thought they would win in court, wouldn't they have taken it to trial a looong time ago? It seems like going to trial has been their last and most undesirable option, if you look at how they've gone through every other method possible. | ||
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DarkspearTribe
568 Posts
"Since this is an NDA, we cannot reveal everything about the negotiations, but there are a lot of people are using wrong information and is reading the situation wrong" This quote should be the most important. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On August 31 2010 23:42 Milkis wrote: However, Gretech, starting with the beginning of the 4th negotiation, has said that "We cannot sign off on the Proleague, since it will compete with the GSL", and KeSPA reacted saying that "If you refuse to sign off on the Proleague, that's like saying we shouldn't be negotiating". Continuing, Gretech, rather than talking about intellectual property fees, has demanded "Reimbursement for the GSL", and KeSPA has rejected the guidelines set by Gretech. This is just disgusting, fuck I hate blizzard/gom right now. Just sheer greed, SC2 is not ready to carry esports on its shoulders alone. Fucking scum. The GSL is not even going to have that much content and people can always watch both.... User was warned for this post | ||
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NeoLearner
Belgium1847 Posts
Our government is also negotiating between 2 sides, also about for about the 4th time now. Experience tells me, when everyone is silent, they are still making progress. But when information starts leaking out, it's only a few days before everything starts exploding... | ||
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Zalfor
United States1035 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:24 cocoa_sg wrote: What rock have you been living under? BW was and ALWAYS will be the pinnacle of e-sports for a long time to come. Nowhere else in the world have we seen a more successful proleague (two for that matter). We are talking full-time progamers, paid full-time on a salary basis. Even then, the quality of the televised matches are unmatched; have you even watched the old days of Boxer, Nada, iloveoov and Savior? The reason why BW has lasted this long is because of the success of Kespa (no matter its shortcomings) and the devotion of its fans. I don't think BW will die out anytime soon, that is, UNLESS Blizzard continues to push this issue even further. I really despise their attitude in this, but I do not want to keep on swearing for now. Agreed with this post. We probably don't have half the data but this is getting borderline ridiculous. It sounds like they really want to kill off the #1 success esport event in the world just out of greediness. Would love to hear what the netizen think of this, as well as people involved in progaming (team managers, players, current proteam sponsors, casters). | ||
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Philar
Hong Kong125 Posts
kespa: ok i will pay u to run proleague, how much u want? gretch: no. dont pay us money we dont want u to run proleague kespa: .... | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:10 DonKey_ wrote: so uh its been 12 years now since starcraft's release do people really see this lasting much longer.... really? I mean at this point BW is stagnant it is contributing zero new players outside of the handfull of Koreans who will pick it up; for BW to continue new generations will have to want to play it and having a 12 year old game be the pinnacle of e-sports is pushing it. Did you watch the MSL finals? Did you? Point to a single match in SC2 that even begins to compare to the excitement in that matchup. | ||
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