On September 01 2010 07:40 thehitman wrote: Kespa can't disband all pro teams, they just run the SC1 pro league, a different organization can arise to organize a SC1 league or the pro teams can all switch to SC2.
SC1 ratings have been falling for the last 3 years in Korea and I think transferring to SC2 will change all that.
Several of the Kespa board members work for the corporate sponsors. While this may not apply to all teams, you'd be foolish to think that some sponsors wouldn't just pull out over this. While this may be old info, the head of Kespa is the president of SKT's GMS division.
Finding team sponsors is not as easy as everyone thinks it is. Anyone remember the Hanbit Soft "crisis"? While everyone may bash Kespa for a ton of crap they do, they do occasionally do really awesome things.
On September 01 2010 07:51 ArvickHero wrote: Don't players who win tourneys in Korea have to pay a huge tax of their winnings if they don't have a progamer license? If I recall that's why the progamer license was created in the first place, to avoid the tax. And Kespa could very well fuck over GOM and its GSL by invoking that tax if its still relevant.
This was changed relatively recently. From the GSL thread:
▲ Until now, only progamers had the 3.3% special tax rate. However, since the law changed in 2009, if a lot of players compete in a league, only 20% of the earnings are able to be taxed at 22% rate. That means you'll only have to pay 4.4% as tax. This is already being applied to all of the amateur leagues in Korea. So the players participating won't have to worry about losing a lot of money to tax.
"Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations".
I think this is just a hypothetical situation. Even if they paid to broadcast BW, but would still be required to schedule around GSL, which they don't want to do.
Scheduling around GSL is the least of the issues on the table. It was about Blizzard demanding ridiculous power over KeSPA and the BW scene in korea (in addition to usage fees from team sponsors, league sponsors and rights for proleague). Being able to have the final say over player contracts and leagues, having the power to cancel and reschedule events, deny sponsors, priority over player schedules for Blizzard's own events, audit KeSPA's finances, only giving them contracts in 1 year increments (which could then be discontinued the following year), etc.
i don't know where to start on this because everything's all over the place, can we not just merge all into one thread? i can't even see one i was reading this morning so i assume that got merged into one of the two threads that look to be splitting discussion.
as to the actual topic, whenever money gets involved into anything, the interests of the fans go right to the bottom. i'm not particularly interested in who's fault it is, i just want 10/11 proleague and future individual leagues to happen. someone make it so. yes, blizzard have a new product out. i don't care about that as a spectator sport until you make it one, don't try and force it on us, let it develop naturally. you can all coexist. stop trying to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
My gosh they're like bickering kids. And the fans and players are the ones who suffer, not the stupid CEO's. Makes me so angry that I barely have words.
I hope KeSPA dies in the ass. They claim to care about esports, however they show no interest in anything that isn't SCBW. Esports goes beyond SCBW. They claim to be a players association, however at no stage have they ever considered the best interests of the players, nor have they operated in the best interests of the players.
Blizzard fucked KeSPA up, then transferred the rights to Gretech with the intent of letting them finish KeSPA off for them.
Bottom line: KeSPA will have learnt a lesson from trying to fuck with Blizzard. I'm so glad those c*nts got ruined and I can't wait for them to stupidly start their Proleague only to get sued by Gretech and lose horribly. Fuck you KeSPA.
On September 01 2010 10:17 PulseNova wrote: I hope KeSPA dies in the ass. They claim to care about esports, however they show no interest in anything that isn't SCBW. Esports goes beyond SCBW. They claim to be a players association, however at no stage have they ever considered the best interests of the players, nor have they operated in the best interests of the players.
Blizzard fucked KeSPA up, then transferred the rights to Gretech with the intent of letting them finish KeSPA off for them.
Bottom line: KeSPA will have learnt a lesson from trying to fuck with Blizzard. I'm so glad those c*nts got ruined and I can't wait for them to stupidly start their Proleague only to get sued by Gretech and lose horribly. Fuck you KeSPA.
KESPA isn't there to promote other games. If there is another organization that wants to promote other games, they are welcome to do so. Without kespa, guess what? The quality of play will go down.
I am 99.99% sure Kespa runs leagues for more games than SCBW. Never seen those special forces, kart rider, or sudden attack commercials? Just because they don't want an SC2 league doesn't mean they don't care about ESPORTS.
On September 01 2010 10:39 biskit wrote: I hope KeSPA dissolves all the teams so the progamers can upgrade to SC2. I wanna see Jaedong and Flash play the new Starcraft.
Too bad that won't happen.
So you're hoping Jaedong and Flash get a massive pay cut? How selfish. You want to know the real reason Nada cut the games with TLO short at IEM? He didn't want to lose his paycheck.
unfortunately SC2 is doing terrible in SK right now. besides, without an actually salary as a baseline, parents will not allow their kids to waste so much time in SC2. korean kids, unlike american ones, actually DO listen to their parents. flash for example, gives all his earnings to his parents.
why can't KeSPA and Blizzard just get along?I mean its stupid as far as I know Blizzard doesn't know shit about E-Sports(although Gretech does) and KeSPA are the key since they ran their game successfully for the last 10 years.KeSPA on the other hand are being stubborn saying that they don't want anything to do with SC2(yet).
for the sake of the present and long term future KeSPA should cave in to Blizzard's demands or everything will die.Its harsh,but I want them to coexist on paper at least.
On September 01 2010 10:17 PulseNova wrote: I hope KeSPA dies in the ass. They claim to care about esports, however they show no interest in anything that isn't SCBW. Esports goes beyond SCBW. They claim to be a players association, however at no stage have they ever considered the best interests of the players, nor have they operated in the best interests of the players.
Blizzard fucked KeSPA up, then transferred the rights to Gretech with the intent of letting them finish KeSPA off for them.
Bottom line: KeSPA will have learnt a lesson from trying to fuck with Blizzard. I'm so glad those c*nts got ruined and I can't wait for them to stupidly start their Proleague only to get sued by Gretech and lose horribly. Fuck you KeSPA.
HELLO?! I rarely post in these forums at all, only 'lurking' for the BW VoD's and such. I have read up on the history of Kespa, and while I neither love nor hate them, Kespa is partially the reason why eSports have become so successful in South Korea. We must not forget Boxer's and other old progamers' contributions too.
Now, I am just saying from a neutral viewpoint: Blizzard is being quite the f*ck-sh*t here (yes, that is not even a word, but I just HATE them). Ever since they merged with Activision (and all this BOBBY KOTICK bullsh*t), they have become even more greedy at exponential rates.
I have NEVER played BW and SC2. I am merely a passionate fan of the BW proscene in SK. I have watched most finals up to now. If Blizzard ruins Kespa, not only BW but the SC2 proscene will die out in SK as well. There is just too much love for BW for fans to accept its downfall, and if that EVEN happens, there will be a massive public backlash against SC2 too.
Blizzard is being quite the idiotic dictator it is. If it did all this because of public IP rights, why did it not start on this YEARS ago when BW became popular in SK? Yes, figure it out; the Activision merger made them greedy. Stupid Bobby Kotick (I really hate him, yes, I do)!
Not to be a hater on SC2, but I really hope that powerhouses like flash and jaedong don't switch to SC2. TBH I think they would be wasting their talents, buts that's just my opinion.
As for the Kespa Blizz/Gretech problem at hand, Gretech needs to quit pushing the limit of their power. Kespa will eventually pay for the IP, but forcing them to advertise for their competitor is just plain retarded, Gretech is just being unreasonable. I know Kespa is stingy, but I think they will bite the bullet as far as paying for the IP rights. What Gretech is asking for is for BroodWar to give SC2 a handicap, so that they can fairly compete, which I believe is just plain ludicrous.
KeSPA is established in 2000 under the authority of Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism. It aims to protect professional gamers and pro-game teams, and to make e-sports as a sound new leisure activity, representing Korea's next generation. KeSPA is made up of 11 executive committee member-enterprises including SK Telecom. SK Telecom has been served as the Chief Executive since 2008. Under the leadership of Mr Seo Jin-woo, the head of SK Telecom GMS as well as the Chief Executive of KeSPA, executive committee members and the secretariat play a vital role in the promotion of e-Sports at home and abroad.
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