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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
August 12 2010 16:06 GMT
#261
I have a feeling that Blizzard are expecting to get massive sales and a massive new e-sport in Korea but that this won't happen and Korea will have relatively low sales for such a strong gaming nation and it won't replace BW as an e-sport there.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
dr.shrinker
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway369 Posts
August 12 2010 16:21 GMT
#262
On August 13 2010 01:03 attackfighter wrote:

Also imo brood war is much more interesting to watch, as the battles take place over larger areas, are easier to discern, and require more skill. Korean matches are even better still, since the players actually are 'professionals' (ie they do it as a profession and it shows), foreign 'pros' to me are just good players, [b]not anywhere near the level of Korean StarCraft. [b]


And that is probably why a lot/some switched. It's a new scene, and they got the opportunity to become the best. They won't earn anything (on a regular basis) in broodwar, SC2 might give them them that opportunity.
attackfighter
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada308 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 16:46:55
August 12 2010 16:46 GMT
#263
On August 13 2010 01:21 dr.shrinker wrote:

And that is probably why a lot/some switched. It's a new scene, and they got the opportunity to become the best. They won't earn anything (on a regular basis) in broodwar, SC2 might give them them that opportunity.


I guess but gaming is a pretty inneficient way of making money (considering the practice/payout ratio) plus there're better games to make money off of (FPS's in general are easier to get good at and offer decent prize pools). Imo it's just a dumb choice to play games solely for the cash, better off investing the time in a sport.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7916 Posts
August 12 2010 17:08 GMT
#264
On August 13 2010 01:46 attackfighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 01:21 dr.shrinker wrote:

And that is probably why a lot/some switched. It's a new scene, and they got the opportunity to become the best. They won't earn anything (on a regular basis) in broodwar, SC2 might give them them that opportunity.


I guess but gaming is a pretty inneficient way of making money (considering the practice/payout ratio) plus there're better games to make money off of (FPS's in general are easier to get good at and offer decent prize pools). Imo it's just a dumb choice to play games solely for the cash, better off investing the time in a sport.

Sport is as hazardous as video game to make money.

Better play as an amateur and stop this fixation of "being the best". Asian are much more down to earth for this kind of matter I realize.

Earning money at SC2 has no reason to be easier than earning money at BW, despite the Korean scene. If SC2 ever become an esport, it will be flooded with uber talented kids 100% dedicated with ungodly skill.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 17:34:55
August 12 2010 17:34 GMT
#265
On August 13 2010 01:21 dr.shrinker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 01:03 attackfighter wrote:

Also imo brood war is much more interesting to watch, as the battles take place over larger areas, are easier to discern, and require more skill. Korean matches are even better still, since the players actually are 'professionals' (ie they do it as a profession and it shows), foreign 'pros' to me are just good players, [b]not anywhere near the level of Korean StarCraft. [b]


And that is probably why a lot/some switched. It's a new scene, and they got the opportunity to become the best. They won't earn anything (on a regular basis) in broodwar, SC2 might give them them that opportunity.

No one will earn anything on a regular basis off games, except progamers in Korea that lives off salary not just prize money. Lol
Pinkcarebear
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands46 Posts
August 12 2010 17:56 GMT
#266
I recently haven't played BW, but I am still watching it, so keep playing and streaming guys!
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 18:13:43
August 12 2010 18:10 GMT
#267
On August 13 2010 01:46 attackfighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 01:21 dr.shrinker wrote:

And that is probably why a lot/some switched. It's a new scene, and they got the opportunity to become the best. They won't earn anything (on a regular basis) in broodwar, SC2 might give them them that opportunity.


I guess but gaming is a pretty inneficient way of making money (considering the practice/payout ratio) plus there're better games to make money off of (FPS's in general are easier to get good at and offer decent prize pools). Imo it's just a dumb choice to play games solely for the cash, better off investing the time in a sport.

Dude, you just said that you prefer Korean pros over foreigners and now your telling it's dumb for foreigners to go for pro career? I'm confused

Edit: and wdf you mean investing time in sports? Lmao only the best of the best get to earn money from sports and only those who start taking sport serious since age 14-16.
attackfighter
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada308 Posts
August 12 2010 18:36 GMT
#268
On August 13 2010 03:10 AyJay wrote:

Dude, you just said that you prefer Korean pros over foreigners and now your telling it's dumb for foreigners to go for pro career? I'm confused

Edit: and wdf you mean investing time in sports? Lmao only the best of the best get to earn money from sports and only those who start taking sport serious since age 14-16.


Foreigners don't have a chance of breaking into the Korean scene, language and cultural barriers are too great.

As for sports vs. e-sports: the chances of you making it big in either are probably comparable, however making it big in sports is much more rewarding (more money, respect, girls, health) so for someone enamoured with being a 'pro' it would make more sense to try their hands at tennis or something.
Kim_Hyun_Han
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
706 Posts
August 12 2010 21:26 GMT
#269
I'm here

Battle.net or Iccup

but i'm rusty as hell D level atm i barely play due maybe 3 times per month haha

i want to return to it , but my friends are all into star2 , those pigs
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
August 13 2010 20:55 GMT
#270
answer to topic title:

mememememememememmeeee
Jaedong.
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
August 13 2010 21:56 GMT
#271
HAHAH, ive said this a lot of times and is shameless self promotion but whatever

Cuba still has a solid BW scene, nobody here is into SC2 (I have no idea why) and the tournaments keep getting bigger and bigger. So i only play BW. I played the sc2 campaign on brutal and it was over in 2 days. THe downfall of BW is helping and hurting our scene in a lot of ways, but so far there is an steady increase in funds/fans/players etc.
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9517 Posts
August 13 2010 22:14 GMT
#272
On August 14 2010 06:56 oo_xerox wrote:
HAHAH, ive said this a lot of times and is shameless self promotion but whatever

Cuba still has a solid BW scene, nobody here is into SC2 (I have no idea why) and the tournaments keep getting bigger and bigger. So i only play BW. I played the sc2 campaign on brutal and it was over in 2 days. THe downfall of BW is helping and hurting our scene in a lot of ways, but so far there is an steady increase in funds/fans/players etc.

You guys shouldn't get TOO big or you're gonna have Blizzard on your backs! haha
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
vek
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia936 Posts
August 13 2010 22:26 GMT
#273
On August 13 2010 01:03 attackfighter wrote:
In brood war it was fun to jump back and forth from iCCup to Helms Deep/CatnMouse/etc. on Bnet - it was a nice back and forth between ultra intense games to very casual layed back ones.


I know exactly what you mean. I love being able to have an intense 20 min TvP then just be completely worn out, play some silly UMS/Fast Money/BGH for a while and then get back into the more serious games once I'm pumped for another great match.

I've already stopped playing SC2 because I just don't enjoy it one bit... I think a big part of it is not getting dumped back to a chat channel so you can chill out and not seeing those options for UMS in the same game list. So many times in Brood War I've tried powering games but when moving on to the next game I spot a TD instead and play that. It just can't happen like that in SC2... I find it so lonely and boring... I've been playing Final Fantasy and Space Channel 5 instead D:
junkacc
Profile Joined July 2010
99 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 16:30:28
August 14 2010 16:28 GMT
#274
Watch the latest MSL RO8 Light (T) vs Effort (Z) match (August 14, 2010). Especially game 2 and 4. Battles happening everywhere for map and expansion control, so much so even the observer couldn't keep up. Siege lines assaulted by waves upon waves of zerglings/hydras/guardians/kitchensink. You don't get that in SC2. All you see is a ball of MMM going against a ball of whatever. I saw a game on youtube between some high ranked players (tester vs some other korean guy) where tester used his factory like an engineering bay, floating it as soon as he built it to scout his opponent. Tester just got his MMM ball and won... fucking boring shit game and it's suppose to represent the epitome of skill?

SC2 will never succeed as an esport.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4349 Posts
August 15 2010 02:19 GMT
#275
On August 15 2010 01:28 junkacc wrote:
I saw a game on youtube between some high ranked players (tester vs some other korean guy) where tester used his factory like an engineering bay, floating it as soon as he built it to scout his opponent. Tester just got his MMM ball and won... fucking boring shit game and it's suppose to represent the epitome of skill?

SC2 will never succeed as an esport.

lol
and in vanilla starcraft muta/ling raped plain old marines
theres no expansion yet and no post beta balance patches so i fail to see your point
SC2 will be massive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
August 15 2010 03:07 GMT
#276
On August 13 2010 01:21 dr.shrinker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 01:03 attackfighter wrote:

Also imo brood war is much more interesting to watch, as the battles take place over larger areas, are easier to discern, and require more skill. Korean matches are even better still, since the players actually are 'professionals' (ie they do it as a profession and it shows), foreign 'pros' to me are just good players, [b]not anywhere near the level of Korean StarCraft.


And that is probably why a lot/some switched. It's a new scene, [b]and they got the opportunity to become the best. They won't earn anything (on a regular basis) in broodwar, SC2 might give them them that opportunity.

If anyone switches over from playing casual bw to casual sc2 with their main reason being they can become a top player is sadly mistaken, terrible reason to switch games
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
junkacc
Profile Joined July 2010
99 Posts
August 15 2010 15:03 GMT
#277
On August 15 2010 11:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 01:28 junkacc wrote:
I saw a game on youtube between some high ranked players (tester vs some other korean guy) where tester used his factory like an engineering bay, floating it as soon as he built it to scout his opponent. Tester just got his MMM ball and won... fucking boring shit game and it's suppose to represent the epitome of skill?

SC2 will never succeed as an esport.

lol
and in vanilla starcraft muta/ling raped plain old marines
theres no expansion yet and no post beta balance patches so i fail to see your point
SC2 will be massive.


I guess that excuse will be valid for the next 3 years... "just wait for the next expansion!!!"
Meanwhile Activision will be laughing all the way to the bank counting all the money from the wide eyed schmuks who have such blind faith.

Excuse me while I go win another game with MMM BALL.
http://filesmelt.com/dl/1284595498849.gif
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
August 15 2010 16:55 GMT
#278
On August 15 2010 11:19 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 01:28 junkacc wrote:
I saw a game on youtube between some high ranked players (tester vs some other korean guy) where tester used his factory like an engineering bay, floating it as soon as he built it to scout his opponent. Tester just got his MMM ball and won... fucking boring shit game and it's suppose to represent the epitome of skill?

SC2 will never succeed as an esport.

lol
and in vanilla starcraft muta/ling raped plain old marines
theres no expansion yet and no post beta balance patches so i fail to see your point
SC2 will be massive.

Massive MnMnM ball into massive borefest.
dr.shrinker
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway369 Posts
August 15 2010 17:09 GMT
#279
On August 13 2010 02:34 zenMaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 01:21 dr.shrinker wrote:
On August 13 2010 01:03 attackfighter wrote:

Also imo brood war is much more interesting to watch, as the battles take place over larger areas, are easier to discern, and require more skill. Korean matches are even better still, since the players actually are 'professionals' (ie they do it as a profession and it shows), foreign 'pros' to me are just good players, [b]not anywhere near the level of Korean StarCraft. [b]


And that is probably why a lot/some switched. It's a new scene, and they got the opportunity to become the best. They won't earn anything (on a regular basis) in broodwar, SC2 might give them them that opportunity.

No one will earn anything on a regular basis off games, except progamers in Korea that lives off salary not just prize money. Lol


You do know the best gamers (CS/CSS/WC3 etc) earns salary from their organisation? This will probably happen in SC2 aswell. On top of that comes prizemoney, payed trips to LANs and so on.
LastActionHero
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany29 Posts
August 15 2010 17:10 GMT
#280
yes.
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