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The reason Bisu, Stork, Best, Kal, free and Jangbi were called the "Six Dragons" is because they were dominating the field back then. As of this very moment, not a single Protoss is dominating, or even comes close to doing so. This is the Flash (and maybe Zerg) era. So if you call those 10 dragons, what should we call Flash? Jesus Christ? And let's not forget a handful of zergs who are well capable of beating at least 7 out of those 10 dragons with ease.
Your list of "Ten Dragons" is actually just a list of 10 Protoss players who have been performing fairly well in the last couple of months. If you REALLY wanna call them dragons because of that very reason, by all means do so. But that's definitely not the same "dragon" we used to call the other six back then.
Now to the Bisu issue, the reason he seems so mediocre these days is because people usually compare his recent performance to what it-should-have-been. But if you consider it along the line with how other protoss are doing, he's definitely in the top 10 (according to recent performance) if not higher (sure he failed in individual leagues, but his PL's result should clearly back him up). Now if you talk about Bisu's performance OVERALL, only Stork is capable of taking his throne.
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I think that the criteria you established, Roffles, are too including. I don't think that an appearance in ro16 MSL/OSL should suffice to receive the title of a Dragon. I mean, Movie is an OSL finalist, but in my opinion he still has to prove himself. If this criteria had been established in the 2009 Bacchus OSL, BackHo would have made the cut, and he, just like Stats/Guemshi/Pure are clearly not Dragon material.
I also think that the 100% ace match criteria need some rework. It should only include Protoss players who have been sent out a number of times to an Ace match. One game or to should not be enough.
Furthermore, Bisus recent slump is not enough to strip him of his title of a Dragon. Even tough I don't particularly like him the guy has like 5 individual titles. A criteria should be established that states something like "must have x individual titles with the most recent title being x months from today" so that he can be included.
If this is a troll, I just got pwnt =]
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I still can't believe anyone lost to Frozean. He is just awful. And then Bisu goes ahead and does it. It is like he decides before hand which days he will play like an absolute monster, and which days he will just throw the game. I hope this is just a down phase for Bisu.
Anyways, this list, its requirements, the number, etc are all pretty arbitrary. There was a time when the 6 dragons thing worked because of those players, you could always expect a tough match. Now that time is gone, and I don't see why, at all we need a new list. I mean the 6 dragon thing was cool while it lasted, but artificially forcing it now, just to try to get the feeling back - it doesn't work.
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How about instead of calling them "Then 10 Dragons" we call them "The 10 Pretty Okay Protoss Players"?
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Roffles
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Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. While yes, Bisu has been winning games, we felt as if him solely winning meaningless games in PL does not warrant classification as a dragon. He's been missing from the last two starleagues and doesn't even show the skill of other dragons in either making a deep Starleague Run and isn't even the team's Ace half the time for a reason.
The statistics are quite simple. You either make deep Starleague Runs or you show that you are consistently good lifetime (> 65% win rate) or you show that you can be your team's Ace player and bring home good results. The dragons noted in this study all meet this bare minimum whereas Bisu does not. Face it, the guy is merely a shadow of his former self.
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On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote:
Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article.
who is "us researchers"?
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I don't know about Bisu, who knows what is going to happen to him - is he going to start playing good again or will he keep fading away - but what I do know is that Kal is just kicking butt left and right.
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On January 10 2010 00:07 Chill wrote:
9 pages? really?
The 9 Dragon Pages
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So the criteria these days for being a dragon is not achievement and domination, but, let me see if I have this correct; to be a protoss player?
Awesome, I think I'll raceswap from terran and be the new foreign Dragon!
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stats? Pure?
not at all
neither of them have the aura of "badassness" that the original 6 dragons had
even Kal the erstwhile "weakest" of the 6 was over 60% in his MU's
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On January 10 2010 01:46 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
stats? Pure?
not at all
neither of them have the aura of "badassness" that the original 6 dragons had
even Kal the erstwhile "weakest" of the 6 was over 60% in his MU's
wasn't free the weakest?
like
1.bisu
2.stork
3. jangbi
4. best
5. kal
6. free
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Kal was seen as the weakest with the weird ability to turn into the best on any given day.
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Kal is awesome.
Who's better than him atm?
Maybe Stork. Maybe Bisu.
That's about it.
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It's pretty easy to sniff this out as a troll via one particular ranking: 90 elo away from all time high. That number was engineered to specifically exclude Bisu, who is 94 away (so he couldn't use 95 or a more sensible 100).
It's a funny troll though that a lot of people bought. Even I kneejerked at it for a second.
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On January 10 2010 00:30 natturner wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote:
Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. who is "us researchers"?
I think he meant we researchers.
And I always thought free was seen as the weakest. He's consistent and is always his team's ace, but he never gets very far.
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On January 10 2010 01:51 SkytoM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 01:46 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
stats? Pure?
not at all
neither of them have the aura of "badassness" that the original 6 dragons had
even Kal the erstwhile "weakest" of the 6 was over 60% in his MU's wasn't free the weakest? like 1.bisu 2.stork 3. jangbi 4. best 5. kal 6. free
I always thought of Free as the weakest as well. Kal reached further in the starleagues than Free ever did. I suppose that Free is more consistent in the proleague than Kal.
The rank of the Dragons is really arbitrary. At one point, Best is better than Jangbi. At another point, Stork is better than Bisu. But I agree that is the correct ranking.
Another reason why some consider Kal to be the weakest is because Kal stated that he was the weakest of all 6 during Lost Saga MSL selection. Then again, he was being polite.
I bet Roffles is laughing his ass off and having a good beer in celebration of his success.
I'd replace Free with Movie. Free's proleague streak is over.
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I just put Bisu on my FPL team, exchanged with stork!
Bisu will comeback and show that he is better than all those dragons! He is the dragonslayer!!
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On January 10 2010 03:19 ThePhan2m wrote:
I just put Bisu on my FPL team, exchanged with stork!
Bisu will comeback and show that he is better than all those dragons! He is the dragonslayer!!
Or it's because stork doesn't play this week >.>
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This just makes me sad to reflect on the fact that despite Protoss supposedly being the "easy" race, they have, by far, performed the worst throughout Starcraft history. 
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