• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:03
CEST 19:03
KST 02:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202538Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced53BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins EWC 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Interview with Chris "ChanmanV" Chan Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ"
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers? BW General Discussion Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
9/11 Anniversary Possible Al Qaeda Attack on 9/11 US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 716 users

The Ten Dragons - Page 7

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 16 Next All
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 09 2010 07:58 GMT
#121
Stats not approved? Excuse me, but if anyone remembers he knocked Jangbi and Fantasy out of the MSL and would probally advance if he hadn't gotten Jaedong (Watch his KeSPA ranking move up to find up how much he improved).
Maybe he haven't been wrecking in the proleague but look at his opponents. Much like Flying he hit very hard opponents like Stork (in the few appearences he had lately, he wrecked start of round 1).
And if you say "why then isn't he been choosen for Proleague?" Well, he has been chosen, but other than he got alot of intime competition for a spot outside of the Ace combo (Luxury, Flash, Violet) he has competition (815/Hoejja/Firefist/Tempest/fOrGG) - each of those (save fOrGG perhaps...) would be a choise for any of the lesser ranked teams.
Though I agree Guemchi haven't beaten anything other than a stupiding-decisioning-throwing-away-my-advantagineing-shuttleing-flying-withing-mying-reavering-intoing-guemchi's-dragoonsing bisu.
In the woods, there lurks..
mylife4iron
Profile Joined May 2009
United States33 Posts
January 09 2010 07:58 GMT
#122
No, the correct criteria for a dragon is: Must be named after a soup.

Dragons:
(Z)MIsO
Fart
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
January 09 2010 08:00 GMT
#123
Excellent post Roffles. Agree on all posts... I guess some people are just slow to see the light.
Entusman #12
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 08:11:45
January 09 2010 08:10 GMT
#124
To those criticizing Roffle's selection of Guemchi as a dragon, please refer to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87957
Don't insult Roffle's intelligence. He knows what he is talking about.
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 09 2010 08:11 GMT
#125
On January 09 2010 16:58 mylife4iron wrote:
No, the correct criteria for a dragon is: Must be named after a soup.

Dragons:
MIsO

You missed some...
(Z)Shark
(P)herb
(P)Carot
(Z)Fish
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 08:15:38
January 09 2010 08:12 GMT
#126
ROFL, OP is clearly trying to get bisu slain to generate discussion. His new standards include such loose requirements such as making ROUND OF SIXTEEN of EITHER league and winning ace matches regardless of how many were played. All of you have been trolled, epic.

+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu is like what, top 3 toss for a good 3 years now? And I'm not even a bisu fan.


+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously, read OP's name. It's + Show Spoiler +
rofles
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
January 09 2010 08:14 GMT
#127
doesnt make sense to judge players by the difference from their peak elo. that bisu was slaying the whole sc scene for 1-2 months and now cant keep up with this greatness can hardly be an argument against him. and why is the cutoff exactly 65% winrate? actually, none of the players listed fulfills this requirement.....

would u seriously consider guemchi, pure or stats a better player right now than bisu? additionally, losing an ace match against stork is no shame. and many of the more debatable dragons from ur list made exactly the ro16 of a SL, but nothing more. this really isnt too much of an accomplishment imho.


sry, but ur requirements not only seem arbitrary, they even seem unreasonable. the feeling i got after reading this is that u tried really hard to look as backed-up and scientific as possible when telling us how much bisu sucks in ur opinion...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
January 09 2010 08:18 GMT
#128
On January 09 2010 17:14 Black Gun wrote:
and why is the cutoff exactly 65% winrate? actually, none of the players listed fulfills this requirement.....

The point that none of the current players have the 65% winrate. Rather, its to emphasize that Bisu has NONE of the qualifications AND he doesn't have EVEN a 65% winrate to make up for it. If he were above 65%, you could at least say "well, though he failed in both leagues, and least he's still managing to beat 65% (NEARLY 2/3's of the games usually) of the players!" but you can't, and he hasn't done ANY of the other qualifications. Clearly, bisu is no longer a dragon.
ヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノDELETE ICEFROGヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(⌐■_■)ノヽ(
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
January 09 2010 08:26 GMT
#129
"not being 90 points of ELO peak" is a pretty strange criterion which obviously penalizes good players.

Just because Bisu isn't as dominant as he once was doesn't mean that he isn't better than another toss is now.

100% ace win rate criterion is also pretty silly.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
January 09 2010 08:37 GMT
#130
Movie clearly one of the ten..
4649!!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 09 2010 08:56 GMT
#131
haha, Bisu has always been a fail in my eyes, and here's the proof why
BajaBlood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States205 Posts
January 09 2010 09:07 GMT
#132
I am a protoss player and within 90 points of my ELO peak. Can you add me to the list? :D
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 09 2010 09:14 GMT
#133
This is clearly a troll topic. Bisu has the 3rd highest ELO, after only Flash and Jaedong. That makes him the highest ranked Protoss right now. And yet you have Stats, Pure, and Guemchi there? lol

I also liked how he picked career winning percentage of 65% or more, which is just .39% above Bisu right now. Which is also the highest winning percentage of any Protoss player right now (at least of the currently active Protoss players).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 09 2010 09:16 GMT
#134
Power Ranked Top 5 for over 12 straight months before this one. Eternal dragon imo.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 09:27:34
January 09 2010 09:27 GMT
#135
The OP sucks, and is designed to bash Bisu, the consistently best protoss for 3 years. The fact that you're a bad-mannered stream-host doesn't help your case either.
Oai
Profile Joined July 2009
United States40 Posts
January 09 2010 09:32 GMT
#136
Rofl. I enjoy your sources.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 09:38:39
January 09 2010 09:35 GMT
#137
On January 09 2010 18:27 Demand2k wrote:
The OP sucks, and is designed to bash Bisu, the consistently best protoss for 3 years. The fact that you're a bad-mannered stream-host doesn't help your case either.

Yeah.... Keep going.
God Bless
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 09 2010 09:36 GMT
#138
How is roffles a bm stream host? (serious question)
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Alphonsse
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States518 Posts
January 09 2010 09:51 GMT
#139
On January 09 2010 18:36 heyoka wrote:
How is roffles a bm stream host? (serious question)


cuz he doesn't bring you food as well as provide a way for you to watch live sc, duh.
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
January 09 2010 09:52 GMT
#140
lame op.
dragons were chosen for being top 10 in rankings.
none of the dragons that u proposed are, unfortunately.
bisu is still top 3 protoss.

(if stork and bisu faced each other in an ace match, how could u ever expect both of them to have 100% ace appearances? duh..)
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV European League
16:00
Playoffs Day 3
MaxPax vs ShoWTimELIVE!
WardiTV870
IndyStarCraft 174
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
14:00
Playoff - Day 2/2 - Final
Mihu vs FengziLIVE!
Dewalt vs BonythLIVE!
ZZZero.O322
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 181
IndyStarCraft 174
BRAT_OK 68
ProTech46
MindelVK 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 863
firebathero 410
ZZZero.O 322
Mong 276
ggaemo 244
Larva 132
sas.Sziky 18
Terrorterran 17
Aegong 13
Sharp 10
Dota 2
Gorgc5708
qojqva3933
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Reynor83
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv10224
fl0m4834
ScreaM1328
sgares332
oskar161
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor633
Liquid`Hasu541
Other Games
420jenkins975
mouzStarbuck246
Hui .188
B2W.Neo137
ArmadaUGS127
JuggernautJason21
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick333
BasetradeTV40
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH173
• Gemini_19 93
• davetesta47
• iHatsuTV 13
• Reevou 4
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV744
League of Legends
• Jankos1472
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
17h 57m
OSC
1d 6h
Stormgate Nexus
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.