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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 09 2010 07:58 GMT
#121
Stats not approved? Excuse me, but if anyone remembers he knocked Jangbi and Fantasy out of the MSL and would probally advance if he hadn't gotten Jaedong (Watch his KeSPA ranking move up to find up how much he improved).
Maybe he haven't been wrecking in the proleague but look at his opponents. Much like Flying he hit very hard opponents like Stork (in the few appearences he had lately, he wrecked start of round 1).
And if you say "why then isn't he been choosen for Proleague?" Well, he has been chosen, but other than he got alot of intime competition for a spot outside of the Ace combo (Luxury, Flash, Violet) he has competition (815/Hoejja/Firefist/Tempest/fOrGG) - each of those (save fOrGG perhaps...) would be a choise for any of the lesser ranked teams.
Though I agree Guemchi haven't beaten anything other than a stupiding-decisioning-throwing-away-my-advantagineing-shuttleing-flying-withing-mying-reavering-intoing-guemchi's-dragoonsing bisu.
In the woods, there lurks..
mylife4iron
Profile Joined May 2009
United States33 Posts
January 09 2010 07:58 GMT
#122
No, the correct criteria for a dragon is: Must be named after a soup.

Dragons:
(Z)MIsO
Fart
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
January 09 2010 08:00 GMT
#123
Excellent post Roffles. Agree on all posts... I guess some people are just slow to see the light.
Entusman #12
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 08:11:45
January 09 2010 08:10 GMT
#124
To those criticizing Roffle's selection of Guemchi as a dragon, please refer to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87957
Don't insult Roffle's intelligence. He knows what he is talking about.
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 09 2010 08:11 GMT
#125
On January 09 2010 16:58 mylife4iron wrote:
No, the correct criteria for a dragon is: Must be named after a soup.

Dragons:
MIsO

You missed some...
(Z)Shark
(P)herb
(P)Carot
(Z)Fish
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 08:15:38
January 09 2010 08:12 GMT
#126
ROFL, OP is clearly trying to get bisu slain to generate discussion. His new standards include such loose requirements such as making ROUND OF SIXTEEN of EITHER league and winning ace matches regardless of how many were played. All of you have been trolled, epic.

+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu is like what, top 3 toss for a good 3 years now? And I'm not even a bisu fan.


+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously, read OP's name. It's + Show Spoiler +
rofles
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
January 09 2010 08:14 GMT
#127
doesnt make sense to judge players by the difference from their peak elo. that bisu was slaying the whole sc scene for 1-2 months and now cant keep up with this greatness can hardly be an argument against him. and why is the cutoff exactly 65% winrate? actually, none of the players listed fulfills this requirement.....

would u seriously consider guemchi, pure or stats a better player right now than bisu? additionally, losing an ace match against stork is no shame. and many of the more debatable dragons from ur list made exactly the ro16 of a SL, but nothing more. this really isnt too much of an accomplishment imho.


sry, but ur requirements not only seem arbitrary, they even seem unreasonable. the feeling i got after reading this is that u tried really hard to look as backed-up and scientific as possible when telling us how much bisu sucks in ur opinion...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 09 2010 08:18 GMT
#128
On January 09 2010 17:14 Black Gun wrote:
and why is the cutoff exactly 65% winrate? actually, none of the players listed fulfills this requirement.....

The point that none of the current players have the 65% winrate. Rather, its to emphasize that Bisu has NONE of the qualifications AND he doesn't have EVEN a 65% winrate to make up for it. If he were above 65%, you could at least say "well, though he failed in both leagues, and least he's still managing to beat 65% (NEARLY 2/3's of the games usually) of the players!" but you can't, and he hasn't done ANY of the other qualifications. Clearly, bisu is no longer a dragon.
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nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
January 09 2010 08:26 GMT
#129
"not being 90 points of ELO peak" is a pretty strange criterion which obviously penalizes good players.

Just because Bisu isn't as dominant as he once was doesn't mean that he isn't better than another toss is now.

100% ace win rate criterion is also pretty silly.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
January 09 2010 08:37 GMT
#130
Movie clearly one of the ten..
4649!!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 09 2010 08:56 GMT
#131
haha, Bisu has always been a fail in my eyes, and here's the proof why
BajaBlood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States205 Posts
January 09 2010 09:07 GMT
#132
I am a protoss player and within 90 points of my ELO peak. Can you add me to the list? :D
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 09 2010 09:14 GMT
#133
This is clearly a troll topic. Bisu has the 3rd highest ELO, after only Flash and Jaedong. That makes him the highest ranked Protoss right now. And yet you have Stats, Pure, and Guemchi there? lol

I also liked how he picked career winning percentage of 65% or more, which is just .39% above Bisu right now. Which is also the highest winning percentage of any Protoss player right now (at least of the currently active Protoss players).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3479 Posts
January 09 2010 09:16 GMT
#134
Power Ranked Top 5 for over 12 straight months before this one. Eternal dragon imo.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 09:27:34
January 09 2010 09:27 GMT
#135
The OP sucks, and is designed to bash Bisu, the consistently best protoss for 3 years. The fact that you're a bad-mannered stream-host doesn't help your case either.
Oai
Profile Joined July 2009
United States40 Posts
January 09 2010 09:32 GMT
#136
Rofl. I enjoy your sources.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 09:38:39
January 09 2010 09:35 GMT
#137
On January 09 2010 18:27 Demand2k wrote:
The OP sucks, and is designed to bash Bisu, the consistently best protoss for 3 years. The fact that you're a bad-mannered stream-host doesn't help your case either.

Yeah.... Keep going.
God Bless
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 09 2010 09:36 GMT
#138
How is roffles a bm stream host? (serious question)
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Alphonsse
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States518 Posts
January 09 2010 09:51 GMT
#139
On January 09 2010 18:36 heyoka wrote:
How is roffles a bm stream host? (serious question)


cuz he doesn't bring you food as well as provide a way for you to watch live sc, duh.
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
January 09 2010 09:52 GMT
#140
lame op.
dragons were chosen for being top 10 in rankings.
none of the dragons that u proposed are, unfortunately.
bisu is still top 3 protoss.

(if stork and bisu faced each other in an ace match, how could u ever expect both of them to have 100% ace appearances? duh..)
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