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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 03:31:01
January 09 2010 03:30 GMT
#81
On January 09 2010 12:06 Musoeun wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 09 2010 11:52 Comeh wrote:
I thought all of the dragons had died out right around when Outside was introduced.
Oh, and I'm sorry, but besides his little run in the OSL, Best has been terrible (particularly in proleague). I can't consider him a dragon.+ Show Spoiler +
Especially since he gave me 5 points in fantasy...


Well, your fantasy argument has some merit I guess, but, uh, 60% wins and he's "been terrible"? Granted last year wasn't his greatest (32-33 overall in 2009). He's maybe not great. But his OSL run (finals vs July, semi-final loss to Stork, quarterfinal loss to Bisu) was as good as, say, fantasy's.

He's inconsistent, but then that's the hallmark of the new generation of SKT "stars" (BeSt, fantasy, Hyuk if he even qualifies as a star any more in any sense). But he's not terrible.

As for the Proleague thing:

09-10: 7-6
08-09: 33-22
2008: 12-4
2007: 13-9
---------------
Overall: 65-41 (61%)

While his performance this past year's been shaky, overall his PL record is quite good and in-line with his total overall performance. No hating on BeSt.


True enough, BeSt hasn't been terrible (a harsh word, admittedly). However, his play in proleague as of late has been quite underwhelming. I would say he's a little too mediocre lately to consider him a dragon (though, he DID make it to OSL semis...so its a hard call)
On January 09 2010 12:21 Mykill wrote:
Bisu is gonna win a few games and become a "Dragon" again.

We might as well change these things to
TL 100!
where we rank top 100 tosses, top 100 zergs and top 100 terrans

TL 100 doesn't have a cool enough name.
It has to be like TL 100 Black Star Tiger Razor Blades! Then people will be interested.
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ItsBigfoot
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States432 Posts
January 09 2010 03:39 GMT
#82
stats is the chin dragon

movie can be the acne dragon
Kal Fighting!
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 09 2010 03:41 GMT
#83
On January 09 2010 12:39 ItsBigfoot wrote:
stats is the chin dragon

movie can be the acne dragon

Perfectman is the anti-chin dragon!
radiumz0rz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States253 Posts
January 09 2010 03:49 GMT
#84
On January 09 2010 10:05 yhnmk wrote:
no.

Berkeley '10
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 09 2010 03:57 GMT
#85
An Advanced Statistical Study of Zerg Rankings:

Abstract:
In the past, uncertainty has gripped the Starcraft community regarding the ranking of Zerg players in terms of performance. A popular ranking system, known as the "Maestro Theory" has exhibited considerable popularity since its inception. Herein I discuss an enhanced player rating system based on random shit that makes players I like look good and players I don't like look bad hard statistics.

Introduction:
With the rise of the forces of Aiur and the rapid decline of the Zerg race, it has become increasingly hard easy to determine whether or not The Maestro has fallen from the high point era now known as 'the era before Bisu raped him'. These changes, sparked by new imbalanced maps for Protoss and Terran, have amplified the fall of the Zerg Race Savior. Not surprisingly, Savior has been suffering mightily at the hands of everyone as of late, constantly missing from Starleagues as of late. The question then may be asked: Which Zerg players constitute the new "Maestros" and shall represent the Zerg race for years to come?

With the aim of casting some light on the current Zerg situation, this article offers an overview of the complexity of ranking Zerg players and considers the diversity of success from various aspects of progaming.

Historical Background:
In the early days of progaming, Zerg players have always experienced hardships when it came to success. We all remember how hilarious sad it was when Yellow always ended up coming up just a little bit short. I dislike Terran players. I dislike Terran players a lot.

However, even with their limited success, Zergs persevered onwards, finally gaining recognition as Savior, the Maestro burst onto the scene and shocked the scrub imba Terrans. Forever changing the way Zergs played against everyone, the Zerg race experienced it's first stint of success, with Savior leading the way.

Why Only 1?:
The volatile matchup of Zerg vs Terran has always been an Achilles Heel for Zerg players. Historically, Terrans have won over 53% of games vs Zerg players, and has generally been considered an easy matchup for Terrans. Mediocre Terrans such as CuteAngel have even been quoted saying, "HAHAHA, MANNER CC IN YOUR MAIN BISU" in the past (and that's not even TvZ). After statistical surveys compiled by Korean netizens, the Maestro (Savior) was selected for his >50% win rates in ZvT awesome hair to be the head of the Zerg race.

Does this theory still hold?:
Fast forward two years and a half later to mid 2009. The era of the Maestro has come and gone. Savior hasn't consistently made it to even the latter stages of Starleagues as of recent, not to mention winning a Starleague. With the Terrans not sucking as much hookers and blow he wasted his prize money on, everyone has been completely dominating the Maestro. Thus, the old Korean statistical survey holds little to no credibility anymore, thus necessitating the need for a new ranking system of Zerg players.

Proposal for Maestro Requirements:
Based upon data gathered and regressed (holding all else constant), we ('we' referring to me and my mum, who I asked for advice on this) have concluded that in order to qualify as a maestro, one:

Must be a somewhat kinda decent Zerg player.
AND
Must not have been born on November 23rd, 1987.

Statistical Analysis :
Therefore from our proposal, we compile a list of Maestros, before and after.

Current "Maestros":
None

New Maestros:
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm
(Z)EffOrt
(Z)Kwanro
(Z)ZerO
(Z)OctZerg

Slain Maestros:
(Z)sAviOr - Violates the second requirement.

Ramifications:
Entirely according to popular belief, Savior is no longer among the best of the Zerg race. With lackluster Proleague results and his disappearance from the latest Starleagues, Savior has fallen from his high and mighty throne. His fall from grace is evident by the fact that he failed to destroy everyone in 2009.

Closing Comments:
The analysis presented in this article may be debated by many people. The first of many arguments that may arise would be the "This is pretty dumb". You've got a point there.

Sources:
* theonion.com
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
January 09 2010 03:59 GMT
#86
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa_ranking.php?year=2010&month=1&action=Update

I think that kespa ranking of the top 6 protoss is a pretty accurate way to describe the dragons. Sure Stork, Bisu, Movie, Kal, Jangbi, and Pure don't sound like the best combo (Stork, Bisu, Kal, Movie, BeSt, and Violet sound a bit more accurate) but let the ranking from next month come in and I bet it will be a more accurate analysis of it.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
January 09 2010 03:59 GMT
#87
lol @ bisu
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 04:02:30
January 09 2010 04:01 GMT
#88
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 09 2010 12:57 Hinanawi wrote:
An Advanced Statistical Study of Zerg Rankings:

Abstract:
In the past, uncertainty has gripped the Starcraft community regarding the ranking of Zerg players in terms of performance. A popular ranking system, known as the "Maestro Theory" has exhibited considerable popularity since its inception. Herein I discuss an enhanced player rating system based on random shit that makes players I like look good and players I don't like look bad hard statistics.

Introduction:
With the rise of the forces of Aiur and the rapid decline of the Zerg race, it has become increasingly hard easy to determine whether or not The Maestro has fallen from the high point era now known as 'the era before Bisu raped him'. These changes, sparked by new imbalanced maps for Protoss and Terran, have amplified the fall of the Zerg Race Savior. Not surprisingly, Savior has been suffering mightily at the hands of everyone as of late, constantly missing from Starleagues as of late. The question then may be asked: Which Zerg players constitute the new "Maestros" and shall represent the Zerg race for years to come?

With the aim of casting some light on the current Zerg situation, this article offers an overview of the complexity of ranking Zerg players and considers the diversity of success from various aspects of progaming.

Historical Background:
In the early days of progaming, Zerg players have always experienced hardships when it came to success. We all remember how hilarious sad it was when Yellow always ended up coming up just a little bit short. I dislike Terran players. I dislike Terran players a lot.

However, even with their limited success, Zergs persevered onwards, finally gaining recognition as Savior, the Maestro burst onto the scene and shocked the scrub imba Terrans. Forever changing the way Zergs played against everyone, the Zerg race experienced it's first stint of success, with Savior leading the way.

Why Only 1?:
The volatile matchup of Zerg vs Terran has always been an Achilles Heel for Zerg players. Historically, Terrans have won over 53% of games vs Zerg players, and has generally been considered an easy matchup for Terrans. Mediocre Terrans such as CuteAngel have even been quoted saying, "HAHAHA, MANNER CC IN YOUR MAIN BISU" in the past (and that's not even TvZ). After statistical surveys compiled by Korean netizens, the Maestro (Savior) was selected for his >50% win rates in ZvT awesome hair to be the head of the Zerg race.

Does this theory still hold?:
Fast forward two years and a half later to mid 2009. The era of the Maestro has come and gone. Savior hasn't consistently made it to even the latter stages of Starleagues as of recent, not to mention winning a Starleague. With the Terrans not sucking as much hookers and blow he wasted his prize money on, everyone has been completely dominating the Maestro. Thus, the old Korean statistical survey holds little to no credibility anymore, thus necessitating the need for a new ranking system of Zerg players.

Proposal for Maestro Requirements:
Based upon data gathered and regressed (holding all else constant), we ('we' referring to me and my mum, who I asked for advice on this) have concluded that in order to qualify as a maestro, one:

Must be a somewhat kinda decent Zerg player.
AND
Must not have been born on November 23rd, 1987.

Statistical Analysis :
Therefore from our proposal, we compile a list of Maestros, before and after.

Current "Maestros":
None

New Maestros:
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm
(Z)EffOrt
(Z)Kwanro
(Z)ZerO
(Z)OctZerg

Slain Maestros:
(Z)sAviOr - Violates the second requirement.

Ramifications:
Entirely according to popular belief, Savior is no longer among the best of the Zerg race. With lackluster Proleague results and his disappearance from the latest Starleagues, Savior has fallen from his high and mighty throne. His fall from grace is evident by the fact that he failed to destroy everyone in 2009.

Closing Comments:
The analysis presented in this article may be debated by many people. The first of many arguments that may arise would be the "This is pretty dumb". You've got a point there.

Sources:
* theonion.com


I think this pretty much sums up my thoughts
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
January 09 2010 04:11 GMT
#89
roffles basically made up a set of criterias himself to determine the best protoss players around and to excluded bisu from the list..

yes, he deliberately excluded bisu..

because without excluding bisu....it wouldnt have been worth posting nor would any1 actually read it and care
bisu fanboy
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 09 2010 04:16 GMT
#90
i am starting to think we're getting trolled...
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 09 2010 04:38 GMT
#91
Hinanawi just made this thread even better!. I didn't know it was possible.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
January 09 2010 04:42 GMT
#92
On January 09 2010 13:38 thopol wrote:
Hinanawi just made this thread even better!. I didn't know it was possible.

You don't think this thread could've been better?
Jaedong
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 09 2010 04:44 GMT
#93
On January 09 2010 12:21 Mykill wrote:
where we rank top 100 tosses, top 100 zergs and top 100 terrans

I don't think there's even 300 active pro-gamers!

Yay troll threads from semi-immune valued community members T_T
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
January 09 2010 04:44 GMT
#94
Bisu
Stork
Best
Violet

The only protoss with 60%+
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
January 09 2010 04:47 GMT
#95
Troll thread imo.

"Advanced statistical study" gives it away of course, clearly that was neither advanced nor statistical, and barely a study.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 09 2010 04:49 GMT
#96
Geumchi and the others are too early to call a dragon right now.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 04:50:35
January 09 2010 04:50 GMT
#97
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 09 2010 12:57 Hinanawi wrote:
An Advanced Statistical Study of Zerg Rankings:

Abstract:
In the past, uncertainty has gripped the Starcraft community regarding the ranking of Zerg players in terms of performance. A popular ranking system, known as the "Maestro Theory" has exhibited considerable popularity since its inception. Herein I discuss an enhanced player rating system based on random shit that makes players I like look good and players I don't like look bad hard statistics.

Introduction:
With the rise of the forces of Aiur and the rapid decline of the Zerg race, it has become increasingly hard easy to determine whether or not The Maestro has fallen from the high point era now known as 'the era before Bisu raped him'. These changes, sparked by new imbalanced maps for Protoss and Terran, have amplified the fall of the Zerg Race Savior. Not surprisingly, Savior has been suffering mightily at the hands of everyone as of late, constantly missing from Starleagues as of late. The question then may be asked: Which Zerg players constitute the new "Maestros" and shall represent the Zerg race for years to come?

With the aim of casting some light on the current Zerg situation, this article offers an overview of the complexity of ranking Zerg players and considers the diversity of success from various aspects of progaming.

Historical Background:
In the early days of progaming, Zerg players have always experienced hardships when it came to success. We all remember how hilarious sad it was when Yellow always ended up coming up just a little bit short. I dislike Terran players. I dislike Terran players a lot.

However, even with their limited success, Zergs persevered onwards, finally gaining recognition as Savior, the Maestro burst onto the scene and shocked the scrub imba Terrans. Forever changing the way Zergs played against everyone, the Zerg race experienced it's first stint of success, with Savior leading the way.

Why Only 1?:
The volatile matchup of Zerg vs Terran has always been an Achilles Heel for Zerg players. Historically, Terrans have won over 53% of games vs Zerg players, and has generally been considered an easy matchup for Terrans. Mediocre Terrans such as CuteAngel have even been quoted saying, "HAHAHA, MANNER CC IN YOUR MAIN BISU" in the past (and that's not even TvZ). After statistical surveys compiled by Korean netizens, the Maestro (Savior) was selected for his >50% win rates in ZvT awesome hair to be the head of the Zerg race.

Does this theory still hold?:
Fast forward two years and a half later to mid 2009. The era of the Maestro has come and gone. Savior hasn't consistently made it to even the latter stages of Starleagues as of recent, not to mention winning a Starleague. With the Terrans not sucking as much hookers and blow he wasted his prize money on, everyone has been completely dominating the Maestro. Thus, the old Korean statistical survey holds little to no credibility anymore, thus necessitating the need for a new ranking system of Zerg players.

Proposal for Maestro Requirements:
Based upon data gathered and regressed (holding all else constant), we ('we' referring to me and my mum, who I asked for advice on this) have concluded that in order to qualify as a maestro, one:

Must be a somewhat kinda decent Zerg player.
AND
Must not have been born on November 23rd, 1987.

Statistical Analysis :
Therefore from our proposal, we compile a list of Maestros, before and after.

Current "Maestros":
None

New Maestros:
(Z)Jaedong
(Z)Calm
(Z)EffOrt
(Z)Kwanro
(Z)ZerO
(Z)OctZerg

Slain Maestros:
(Z)sAviOr - Violates the second requirement.

Ramifications:
Entirely according to popular belief, Savior is no longer among the best of the Zerg race. With lackluster Proleague results and his disappearance from the latest Starleagues, Savior has fallen from his high and mighty throne. His fall from grace is evident by the fact that he failed to destroy everyone in 2009.

Closing Comments:
The analysis presented in this article may be debated by many people. The first of many arguments that may arise would be the "This is pretty dumb". You've got a point there.

Sources:
* theonion.com

rofl nice
| MLIA | the weather sucks dick here
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 09 2010 05:03 GMT
#98
oh god this thread is so good

I have been laughing for two minutes straight
Writer
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 09 2010 05:07 GMT
#99
Lol, Guemchi for _
Jaedong :3
DejaVu119
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States131 Posts
January 09 2010 05:23 GMT
#100
personally, i think you're setting the bar really low for a dragon. And you are completely ignoring the legacy or "aura" that surrounds a dragon. Who would a progamer rather face today, Bisu or Guemchi? Titles like "dragon" aren't meant to be statistically defined, but rather felt by simply following the game.
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