On January 09 2010 10:00 Roffles wrote: Ramifications: Contrary to popular belief, Bisu is no longer among the best of the Protoss race. With lackluster Proleague results and his disappearance from the latest Starleagues, Bisu has fallen from his high and mighty throne. His fall from grace is evident by the large difference between his current ELO and his ELO peak (5). A new breed of dragons (Movie, Stats, Guemchi, Pure, and Violet) have now come to take his place. One might question the arbitrary values set as the dragon requirements. Yes, the requirements could have been modified so that Bisu would be included in the Dragon list. However, even with slight modifications, even mediocre Protosses such as Horang2 and Backho would have been included in the list of dragons.
while we're at it, why don't we remove the title of 'the emperor' from boxer and 'maestro' from savior...
???silly standarts i'm a bisu hater and def he is still one of the best pvzout there no matter how u put it after a glimps of look in the data on bisu and than looking at guemchi one can only laugh at the proposal being in the round of 16 doesnt mean u'r a dragon and certainly says nothing on your pvz i do agree some new names are starting to appear but taking off bisu is pure silly and just for some facts guemchi hasnt faced any zerg in the msl (not including prelimenaries) anyway cute idea but in my opinion u'r taking it to the wrong place
For the last time, "Six Dragons" isn't just some title that gets attached to the best protosses around. It was given to Bisu/Stork/Jangbi/Kal/Free/Best because of their dominance in a SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME. It's a title just like the "Three Protoss Kings" or "Neo Protoss Kings", because it defines that season. It's not like we just take the top 3 Protoss players and forever after call them the Protoss Kings. That title refers to three specific players in a specific period of time. You don't just start slapping it on random Protoss players just because they happen to start doing well.
EDIT: This guy says it better:
On January 09 2010 10:15 Mortality wrote: You seem to mean well and all, but no. Defining "dragon" like this makes light of what the six dragons did and its also completely meaningless.
The 6 dragons earned that name because Protoss has historically been the weakest race in terms of performance in individual leagues, but suddenly you had six Protoss players showing an all around high skill level and displaying strong performance in the individual leagues to the point where 6 Protoss players made the KeSPA top 10 rankings:
This is why they are the six dragons. And there can only ever be six dragons because "dragon" isn't a title; "Six Dragons" is the title. It is a title given to a generation of protoss players who changed the way we think about balance.
These new rising stars like Movie and Violet will perhaps earn such a title for themselves in time, or perhaps not, but in all likelihood they will not be called "dragons" but something different instead.
Edit: Also, I'd like to point out that the dragon title had nothing to do with Norse mythology. Ever.
On January 09 2010 10:15 Mortality wrote: You seem to mean well and all, but no. Defining "dragon" like this makes light of what the six dragons did and its also completely meaningless.
The 6 dragons earned that name because Protoss has historically been the weakest race in terms of performance in individual leagues, but suddenly you had six Protoss players showing an all around high skill level and displaying strong performance in the individual leagues to the point where 6 Protoss players made the KeSPA top 10 rankings:
This is why they are the six dragons. And there can only ever be six dragons because "dragon" isn't a title; "Six Dragons" is the title. It is a title given to a generation of protoss players who changed the way we think about balance.
These new rising stars like Movie and Violet will perhaps earn such a title for themselves in time, or perhaps not, but in all likelihood they will not be called "dragons" but something different instead.
I'm ashamed to find myself agreeing with this post.
6 Dragons actually meant something, it was very terrifying though when you were thinking about them. Now you want to make it soooo simple, just have good PL stats or be in ro16 or something or something. Maybe let's add 1 win at minor league to requirement?
And lol at 100% winrate in PL, it discards great players who play a lot and gives opportunity to someone who played like 1 ace match in his whole life and won it luckily vs weak opponent
On January 09 2010 10:15 Mortality wrote: Edit: Also, I'd like to point out that the dragon title had nothing to do with Norse mythology. Ever.
Actually, within this article (http://norddulac.tripod.com/norse.doc) you'll find the reference to the six dragons that he was talking about. In Norse mythology, they weren't explicitly called "dragons" but you can see where Koreans got the idea from.
On January 09 2010 10:29 Djabanete wrote: The Six Dragon are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, free, Best, and Kal.
Those are the Six Dragons. That's what the fans called them and that's who they are.
You quite clearly didn't read the article. Bisu should no longer be considered a dragon because of his recent poor play. All of the other original dragons are still doing rather well, but Bisu is playing very poorly. He no longer deserves the title of being a dragon.
On January 09 2010 10:29 Djabanete wrote: The Six Dragon are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, free, Best, and Kal.
Those are the Six Dragons. That's what the fans called them and that's who they are.
You quite clearly didn't read the article. Bisu should no longer be considered a dragon because of his recent poor play. All of the other original dragons are still doing rather well, but Bisu is playing very poorly. He no longer deserves the title of being a dragon. He's been degraded to Acorn status now.
Again, the analogy has been given that if current standing can degrade a historical title, then Boxer should no longer be called the Emperor, Savior should no longer be called the Maestro, and all "Protoss King" related terminology is irrelevant except for Stork.
"Six Dragons" has historical meaning in referring to one of the few seasons of unquestionable Protoss dominance. To start throwing that title around degrades that significance, regardless of current performance.
Above all, "Six Dragons" is a nickname. Since when are there requirements for a NICKNAME? If it's what people call you, that's what it is. There is no "meeting requirements" for a nickname.
Perhaps there will be a "Neo Six Dragons" just as there were "Neo Protoss Kings". Except, for that to happen, there will have to be a period of Protoss dominance again.
In the spirit of this thread, I have made my own ranking of protoss pros. I call them the 17 Griffins. They've all beaten a Korean progamer this season and/or a TL strategy forum moderator, but they haven't lost to Cuteangel in the last few months.
On January 09 2010 10:33 Jyvblamo wrote: In the spirit of this thread, I have made my own ranking of protoss pros. I call them the 17 Griffins. They've all beaten a Korean progamer this season and/or a TL strategy forum moderator, but they haven't lost to Cuteangel in the last few months.
On January 09 2010 10:33 Jyvblamo wrote: In the spirit of this thread, I have made my own ranking of protoss pros. I call them the 17 Griffins. They've all beaten a Korean progamer this season and/or a TL strategy forum moderator, but they haven't lost to Cuteangel in the last few months.
On January 09 2010 10:29 Djabanete wrote: The Six Dragon are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, free, Best, and Kal.
Those are the Six Dragons. That's what the fans called them and that's who they are.
You quite clearly didn't read the article. Bisu should no longer be considered a dragon because of his recent poor play. All of the other original dragons are still doing rather well, but Bisu is playing very poorly. He no longer deserves the title of being a dragon. He's been degraded to Acorn status now.
u clearly do not understand him, basing that on recent performance then u can say that nada isnt the 'genius terran' and xellos isnt the 'perfect terran' anymore, but their titles still stand. like this the 6 dragons belong only to those 6
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