• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:23
CET 14:23
KST 22:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down20ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier6Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League92
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Evil Geniuses - shutting down REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development
Tourneys
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion SCHNAIL now supports Remastered [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos SC4ALL II Brood War Complete Invited Player Lineup Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs BA 2026-10-30 Star Con San Diego 2026 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread R I P Patrick Stewart Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9665 users

The Ten Dragons - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 09 2010 01:22 GMT
#21
On January 09 2010 10:00 Roffles wrote:
Ramifications:
Contrary to popular belief, Bisu is no longer among the best of the Protoss race. With lackluster Proleague results and his disappearance from the latest Starleagues, Bisu has fallen from his high and mighty throne. His fall from grace is evident by the large difference between his current ELO and his ELO peak (5). A new breed of dragons (Movie, Stats, Guemchi, Pure, and Violet) have now come to take his place. One might question the arbitrary values set as the dragon requirements. Yes, the requirements could have been modified so that Bisu would be included in the Dragon list. However, even with slight modifications, even mediocre Protosses such as Horang2 and Backho would have been included in the list of dragons.

while we're at it, why don't we remove the title of 'the emperor' from boxer and 'maestro' from savior...
( ・´ー・`)
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
January 09 2010 01:22 GMT
#22
???silly standarts
i'm a bisu hater and def he is still one of the best pvzout there
no matter how u put it after a glimps of look in the data on bisu and than looking at guemchi
one can only laugh at the proposal
being in the round of 16 doesnt mean u'r a dragon and certainly says nothing on your pvz
i do agree some new names are starting to appear but taking off bisu is pure silly
and just for some facts guemchi hasnt faced any zerg in the msl (not including prelimenaries)
anyway cute idea but in my opinion u'r taking it to the wrong place
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
January 09 2010 01:24 GMT
#23
lulz, mediocre pl results, isnt bisu like almost 80% in pl? Srsly....
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:29:01
January 09 2010 01:24 GMT
#24
For the last time, "Six Dragons" isn't just some title that gets attached to the best protosses around. It was given to Bisu/Stork/Jangbi/Kal/Free/Best because of their dominance in a SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME. It's a title just like the "Three Protoss Kings" or "Neo Protoss Kings", because it defines that season. It's not like we just take the top 3 Protoss players and forever after call them the Protoss Kings. That title refers to three specific players in a specific period of time. You don't just start slapping it on random Protoss players just because they happen to start doing well.

EDIT: This guy says it better:

On January 09 2010 10:15 Mortality wrote:
You seem to mean well and all, but no. Defining "dragon" like this makes light of what the six dragons did and its also completely meaningless.

The 6 dragons earned that name because Protoss has historically been the weakest race in terms of performance in individual leagues, but suddenly you had six Protoss players showing an all around high skill level and displaying strong performance in the individual leagues to the point where 6 Protoss players made the KeSPA top 10 rankings:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa_ranking.php?year=2008&month=12&action=Update

This is why they are the six dragons. And there can only ever be six dragons because "dragon" isn't a title; "Six Dragons" is the title. It is a title given to a generation of protoss players who changed the way we think about balance.

These new rising stars like Movie and Violet will perhaps earn such a title for themselves in time, or perhaps not, but in all likelihood they will not be called "dragons" but something different instead.

Edit: Also, I'd like to point out that the dragon title had nothing to do with Norse mythology. Ever.

Moderator
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:25:16
January 09 2010 01:25 GMT
#25
On January 09 2010 10:15 Mortality wrote:
You seem to mean well and all, but no. Defining "dragon" like this makes light of what the six dragons did and its also completely meaningless.

The 6 dragons earned that name because Protoss has historically been the weakest race in terms of performance in individual leagues, but suddenly you had six Protoss players showing an all around high skill level and displaying strong performance in the individual leagues to the point where 6 Protoss players made the KeSPA top 10 rankings:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/kespa_ranking.php?year=2008&month=12&action=Update

This is why they are the six dragons. And there can only ever be six dragons because "dragon" isn't a title; "Six Dragons" is the title. It is a title given to a generation of protoss players who changed the way we think about balance.

These new rising stars like Movie and Violet will perhaps earn such a title for themselves in time, or perhaps not, but in all likelihood they will not be called "dragons" but something different instead.

I'm ashamed to find myself agreeing with this post.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
January 09 2010 01:25 GMT
#26
Hey, let's name every Protoss player a dragon!

6 Dragons actually meant something, it was very terrifying though when you were thinking about them. Now you want to make it soooo simple, just have good PL stats or be in ro16 or something or something. Maybe let's add 1 win at minor league to requirement?

And lol at 100% winrate in PL, it discards great players who play a lot and gives opportunity to someone who played like 1 ace match in his whole life and won it luckily vs weak opponent
Jonvvv
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Norway1530 Posts
January 09 2010 01:25 GMT
#27
Funny read ^_^
Liquipedia
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:29:55
January 09 2010 01:26 GMT
#28
On January 09 2010 10:15 Mortality wrote:
Edit: Also, I'd like to point out that the dragon title had nothing to do with Norse mythology. Ever.

Actually, within this article (http://norddulac.tripod.com/norse.doc) you'll find the reference to the six dragons that he was talking about. In Norse mythology, they weren't explicitly called "dragons" but you can see where Koreans got the idea from.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 09 2010 01:28 GMT
#29
This topic is so stupid, and to prove it just look at the oz guys defending bisu
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
January 09 2010 01:29 GMT
#30
The Six Dragon are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, free, Best, and Kal.

Those are the Six Dragons. That's what the fans called them and that's who they are.
May the BeSt man win.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 09 2010 01:29 GMT
#31
On January 09 2010 10:00 Roffles wrote:
Must have a career win % of greater than 65%.

(P)PerfectMan was a dragon for a week after he beat (T)Iris
( ・´ー・`)
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
January 09 2010 01:29 GMT
#32
Not only is Bisu no longer a dragon, his title has been claimed by another:

Backho : the new revolutionist

as shown by
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
January 09 2010 01:30 GMT
#33
The dragons got there name from all being in the top 10 Kespa. Your requirements suck.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:43:52
January 09 2010 01:30 GMT
#34
On January 09 2010 10:29 Djabanete wrote:
The Six Dragon are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, free, Best, and Kal.

Those are the Six Dragons. That's what the fans called them and that's who they are.

You quite clearly didn't read the article. Bisu should no longer be considered a dragon because of his recent poor play. All of the other original dragons are still doing rather well, but Bisu is playing very poorly. He no longer deserves the title of being a dragon.
God Bless
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:39:20
January 09 2010 01:32 GMT
#35
On January 09 2010 10:30 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 10:29 Djabanete wrote:
The Six Dragon are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, free, Best, and Kal.

Those are the Six Dragons. That's what the fans called them and that's who they are.

You quite clearly didn't read the article. Bisu should no longer be considered a dragon because of his recent poor play. All of the other original dragons are still doing rather well, but Bisu is playing very poorly. He no longer deserves the title of being a dragon. He's been degraded to Acorn status now.

Again, the analogy has been given that if current standing can degrade a historical title, then Boxer should no longer be called the Emperor, Savior should no longer be called the Maestro, and all "Protoss King" related terminology is irrelevant except for Stork.

"Six Dragons" has historical meaning in referring to one of the few seasons of unquestionable Protoss dominance. To start throwing that title around degrades that significance, regardless of current performance.

Above all, "Six Dragons" is a nickname. Since when are there requirements for a NICKNAME? If it's what people call you, that's what it is. There is no "meeting requirements" for a nickname.

Perhaps there will be a "Neo Six Dragons" just as there were "Neo Protoss Kings". Except, for that to happen, there will have to be a period of Protoss dominance again.
Moderator
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:36:06
January 09 2010 01:33 GMT
#36
In the spirit of this thread, I have made my own ranking of protoss pros.
I call them the 17 Griffins.
They've all beaten a Korean progamer this season and/or a TL strategy forum moderator, but they haven't lost to Cuteangel in the last few months.

(P)Stork
(P)Kal
(P)JangBi
(P)free[gm]
(P)Movie
(P)Shuttle
(P)Pure
(P)Jaehoon
[image loading] Combat_Ex
(P)SangHo
(P)M18M
(P)Much
(P)Nbs
(P)han
(P)BeSt
(P)Flying
(P)HakSoo
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 09 2010 01:34 GMT
#37
On January 09 2010 10:33 Jyvblamo wrote:
In the spirit of this thread, I have made my own ranking of protoss pros.
I call them the 17 Griffins.
They've all beaten a Korean progamer this season and/or a TL strategy forum moderator, but they haven't lost to Cuteangel in the last few months.

(P)Stork
(P)Kal
(P)JangBi
(P)free[gm]
(P)Movie
(P)Shuttle
(P)Pure
(P)Jaehoon
[image loading]Combat_Ex
(P)SangHo
(P)M18M
(P)Much
(P)Nbs
(P)han
(P)BeSt
(Z)Flying
(P)HakSoo

Great job including a Zerg player in your Protoss rankings.
God Bless
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 01:37:29
January 09 2010 01:35 GMT
#38
On January 09 2010 10:34 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 10:33 Jyvblamo wrote:
In the spirit of this thread, I have made my own ranking of protoss pros.
I call them the 17 Griffins.
They've all beaten a Korean progamer this season and/or a TL strategy forum moderator, but they haven't lost to Cuteangel in the last few months.

(P)Stork
(P)Kal
(P)JangBi
(P)free[gm]
(P)Movie
(P)Shuttle
(P)Pure
(P)Jaehoon
[image loading]Combat_Ex
(P)SangHo
(P)M18M
(P)Much
(P)Nbs
(P)han
(P)BeSt
(Z)Flying
(P)HakSoo

Great job including a Zerg player in your Protoss rankings.

Zergs are doing so well that their offraces get ranked too.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 09 2010 01:35 GMT
#39
Combat_Ex?
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
January 09 2010 01:36 GMT
#40
On January 09 2010 10:30 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 10:29 Djabanete wrote:
The Six Dragon are Bisu, Stork, Jangbi, free, Best, and Kal.

Those are the Six Dragons. That's what the fans called them and that's who they are.

You quite clearly didn't read the article. Bisu should no longer be considered a dragon because of his recent poor play. All of the other original dragons are still doing rather well, but Bisu is playing very poorly. He no longer deserves the title of being a dragon. He's been degraded to Acorn status now.
u clearly do not understand him, basing that on recent performance then u can say that nada isnt the 'genius terran' and xellos isnt the 'perfect terran' anymore, but their titles still stand. like this the 6 dragons belong only to those 6
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 14 15 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Epic.LAN
22:00
Epic.LAN 49 Group Stage
Liquipedia
GSL
21:00
GSL CK 6
IntoTheiNu 837
SHIN 106
CranKy Ducklings SOOP64
Maru 57
Zoun (SOOP) 53
Solar (SOOP)39
herO (SOOP) 38
Rex37
ByuN (SOOP) 24
Rogue 23
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko505
SHIN 106
LamboSC2 105
Maru 57
Zoun (SOOP) 53
Solar (SOOP) 39
herO (SOOP) 38
Rex 37
ByuN (SOOP) 24
Rogue 23
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 4950
Jaedong 1359
sorry 1069
Horang2 950
BeSt 474
Light 437
Soma 433
EffOrt 418
FanTaSy 281
actioN 261
[ Show more ]
Mini 230
Snow 214
ggaemo 198
Rush 139
ZerO 130
Mind 123
hero 70
Hyun 69
Barracks 60
Sea.KH 51
Mong 50
Classic 41
ToSsGirL 37
HiyA 36
Free 30
Aegong 26
sSak 23
Shinee 23
Sharp 23
Terrorterran 23
910 20
ajuk12(nOOB) 18
Bishop 18
soO 17
JYJ 16
Shine 15
zelot 13
Noble 12
Rock 6
Icarus 6
Dota 2
Gorgc20536
Fuzer 136
League of Legends
Reynor64
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1460
kRYSTAL_286
Other Games
singsing1360
B2W.Neo1005
hiko777
crisheroes307
DeMusliM203
Mlord183
ArmadaUGS129
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL33416
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 35
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
3h 37m
OSC
8h 37m
Replay Cast
9h 37m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 37m
WardiTV Invitational
22h 37m
Epic.LAN
23h 37m
IPSL
1d 2h
eOnzErG vs McRibbed
LancerX vs StRyKeR
AI Arena Tournament
1d 4h
OSC
2 days
Yamato Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
Artosis vs RiceHat
Kyrie vs Sony
Map Test Tournament
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Ultimate Battle
2 days
Rush vs BeSt
Replay Cast
3 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-28
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.