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Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
January 09 2010 18:45 GMT
#181
lol any decent protoss is now considered a "dragon"..?? thats kinda lame.

I really only think two protosses deserve the TOP claim.. Stork and Bisu.

Until a protoss comes out of nowhere to win an OSL or MSL, I dont think anyone really cares about a protoss unless its Stork or Bisu.. in other words, GO MOVIE!
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
January 09 2010 18:51 GMT
#182
6 is enough.
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
January 09 2010 19:22 GMT
#183
Slain bisu
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 09 2010 21:09 GMT
#184
On January 10 2010 03:45 Skyze wrote:
lol any decent protoss is now considered a "dragon"..?? thats kinda lame.

I really only think two protosses deserve the TOP claim.. Stork and Bisu.

Until a protoss comes out of nowhere to win an OSL or MSL, I dont think anyone really cares about a protoss unless its Stork or Bisu.. in other words, GO MOVIE!

Bisu's not that good anymore. You can tell that his game has fallen off his peak. His PvZ is sloppy as hell these days, his PvT is questionable, and even his PvP has been tested by rookies such as Haksoo.

God Bless
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
January 09 2010 21:13 GMT
#185
On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote:
Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. While yes, Bisu has been winning games, we felt as if him solely winning meaningless games in PL does not warrant classification as a dragon. He's been missing from the last two starleagues and doesn't even show the skill of other dragons in either making a deep Starleague Run and isn't even the team's Ace half the time for a reason.

The statistics are quite simple. You either make deep Starleague Runs or you show that you are consistently good lifetime (> 65% win rate) or you show that you can be your team's Ace player and bring home good results. The dragons noted in this study all meet this bare minimum whereas Bisu does not. Face it, the guy is merely a shadow of his former self.


wow wait a second, i thought u were just kidding with the op but apparently u are serious lol...

first of all, >65% is so high, not just for protoss players, but for every fuckin player. lets go through your list of "dragons" see how they are doing with their winning rates:
- jangbi 58.16%
- kal 59.27%
- free 55.00%
- stork 60.83%
- best 60.00%
- bisu 64.61%
- stats 52.27%
- pure 47.97%
- movie 52.81%
- guemchi 46.24%

hey, look at that, none of them are above 65%. the closest one is bisu, whom u claim is no longer a dragon. thats "what the fuck?" number 1 right there.

"what the fuck?" number 2 is SKT1. the team is stacked with great players and we all know this. fantasy, best, bisu, all in one team. "bisu is not his team's ace half the time" well duh its cuz they have variety. proleague is not about the individual its about the team, and having variety in the ace card is a good thing. even other good teams like KT/MBC/STX/KHAN have 2 or 3 aces (flash/violet , sea/light/hyun , calm/kal respectively , jangbi/stork) at most, the rest of the teams have just 1 (FOX with roro basically) or none (estro). besides like i pointed out before, if bisu faces stork in an ace match how could they both meet your stupid requirement of 100% ace wins. bisu is 1 - 1 as far as ace appearances go, with the one loss against stork.

what the fuck #3. ur making it seem like getting to the Ro16 of the individual leagues is an easy feat. its not. people cry when they get there (shuttle). moreover, 9 of the 10 dragons u named made it to the Ro16 but only 2 have made it to the semis (movie and kal). now regarding bisu's runs...batoo osl spring 2009 he was in the semis, this was less than a year ago. bacchus osl he gets eliminated by Zero, one of the best ZvPers and he ended up making it to the semis. this ever osl he got eliminated by Shine, another strong ZvPer who also made it to the semis (after beating stork might i add). so yeah, his runs have been unexpectedly short, but his opponents have been worthy.

hate on bisu all u want but dont try to sound smart while at it. cuz u will make a fool of yourself and theres 9 pages to prove that.
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
January 09 2010 21:20 GMT
#186
On January 10 2010 06:09 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 03:45 Skyze wrote:
lol any decent protoss is now considered a "dragon"..?? thats kinda lame.

I really only think two protosses deserve the TOP claim.. Stork and Bisu.

Until a protoss comes out of nowhere to win an OSL or MSL, I dont think anyone really cares about a protoss unless its Stork or Bisu.. in other words, GO MOVIE!

Bisu's not that good anymore. You can tell that his game has fallen off his peak. His PvZ is sloppy as hell these days, his PvT is questionable, and even his PvP has been tested by rookies such as Haksoo.


Isn't he on a 7 game winning streak vs zerg...
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
January 09 2010 21:23 GMT
#187
On January 10 2010 06:13 UGC4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote:
Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. While yes, Bisu has been winning games, we felt as if him solely winning meaningless games in PL does not warrant classification as a dragon. He's been missing from the last two starleagues and doesn't even show the skill of other dragons in either making a deep Starleague Run and isn't even the team's Ace half the time for a reason.

The statistics are quite simple. You either make deep Starleague Runs or you show that you are consistently good lifetime (> 65% win rate) or you show that you can be your team's Ace player and bring home good results. The dragons noted in this study all meet this bare minimum whereas Bisu does not. Face it, the guy is merely a shadow of his former self.


wow wait a second, i thought u were just kidding with the op but apparently u are serious lol...

first of all, >65% is so high, not just for protoss players, but for every fuckin player. lets go through your list of "dragons" see how they are doing with their winning rates:
- jangbi 58.16%
- kal 59.27%
- free 55.00%
- stork 60.83%
- best 60.00%
- bisu 64.61%
- stats 52.27%
- pure 47.97%
- movie 52.81%
- guemchi 46.24%

hey, look at that, none of them are above 65%. the closest one is bisu, whom u claim is no longer a dragon. thats "what the fuck?" number 1 right there.

"what the fuck?" number 2 is SKT1. the team is stacked with great players and we all know this. fantasy, best, bisu, all in one team. "bisu is not his team's ace half the time" well duh its cuz they have variety. proleague is not about the individual its about the team, and having variety in the ace card is a good thing. even other good teams like KT/MBC/STX/KHAN have 2 or 3 aces (flash/violet , sea/light/hyun , calm/kal respectively , jangbi/stork) at most, the rest of the teams have just 1 (FOX with roro basically) or none (estro). besides like i pointed out before, if bisu faces stork in an ace match how could they both meet your stupid requirement of 100% ace wins. bisu is 1 - 1 as far as ace appearances go, with the one loss against stork.

what the fuck #3. ur making it seem like getting to the Ro16 of the individual leagues is an easy feat. its not. people cry when they get there (shuttle). moreover, 9 of the 10 dragons u named made it to the Ro16 but only 2 have made it to the semis (movie and kal). now regarding bisu's runs...batoo osl spring 2009 he was in the semis, this was less than a year ago. bacchus osl he gets eliminated by Zero, one of the best ZvPers and he ended up making it to the semis. this ever osl he got eliminated by Shine, another strong ZvPer who also made it to the semis (after beating stork might i add). so yeah, his runs have been unexpectedly short, but his opponents have been worthy.

hate on bisu all u want but dont try to sound smart while at it. cuz u will make a fool of yourself and theres 9 pages to prove that.

troll detection fail

this thread is hilarious
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 09 2010 21:30 GMT
#188
I have lost faith in humanity. >_<
Jaedong
Jaxx
Profile Joined July 2004
Slovakia758 Posts
January 09 2010 21:56 GMT
#189
Only skimmed through OP but seeing the criteria, one name popped in my mind - (P)ROCK, true dragon of his age :D
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
January 09 2010 22:23 GMT
#190
lmao bisu epic fail this season
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
January 09 2010 22:25 GMT
#191
lol @ arbitrary requirements to become "a dragon"
lol @ so many dragons
lol @ guemchi being a dragon
lol @ bisu not being a dragon, yet being arguably the best protoss player around
lol @ so many people taking this troll seriously
more weight
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 23:12:02
January 09 2010 22:30 GMT
#192
I love how everyone is so butt-hurt of how Roffles used the term dragons. They were not dragons because they changed the metagame or got divine inspirations and owned everyone, just imbalanced protoss maps to abuse. That's why they 'dominated'. Next season the maps are gone and bam, byebye protoss. The real good protoss players are the ones winning right now in an unfavorable situation, like SaviOr did.
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arcticStorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States295 Posts
January 09 2010 22:31 GMT
#193
"Must currently be within 90 points of their ELO peak"

LOL. That means all new protosses are automatically dragons. TOSS IMBA
This statement is a lie.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
January 09 2010 22:47 GMT
#194
Sure, put movie and violet in, but Guemchi, Pure and Stats aren't mechanically good and their record isn't deep enough to indicate a high enough skill level to the labeled as dragons
the throws never bothered me anyway
Megaman703
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada688 Posts
January 10 2010 00:58 GMT
#195
You guys are just oblivious to the deep statistical study that has gone on here.

Bisu is no longer a dragon, because statistics says so.
machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 01:39:54
January 10 2010 01:37 GMT
#196
If Bisu doesn't meet the criteria of being a dragoon, but guemchi does, then Bisu must simply be a better unit, such as a "carrier." Note, I have no idea how the dragoon thing got started -- but perhaps you should rank the toss players by toss units (dragoon being decent).

O, nvm.... they are dragons...
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 10 2010 03:05 GMT
#197
SCIENCE will be put to the test in a matter of hours, folks. A battle to determine whether the heart or the mind is correct in this matter will be fought!

+ Show Spoiler +
guemchi next bonjwa
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
January 10 2010 03:11 GMT
#198
Roffles is right Bisu is an acorn
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
January 10 2010 03:21 GMT
#199
gosi[flying] imo
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
January 10 2010 03:29 GMT
#200
On January 10 2010 12:11 3 Lions wrote:
Roffles is right Bisu is an acorn


and OctZerg is one of the new maestros.
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