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Perfectman is a bonjwa too
elo: 1961
elo max: 2032
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On January 09 2010 10:21 lac29 wrote:
Those are really arbitrary requirements ...
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United States10328 Posts
are people seriously still getting trolled? also too bad I missed the 10th (dragon) page
clearly we should have as many dragons as there are pages and add flying
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
No. He has yet to reach any of the criteria listed. One game in a PL game that doesn't really matter doesn't prove anything.
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hes 89 points within his peak ELO lololol
great thread though, well done
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On January 10 2010 16:14 cabarkapa wrote:
hes 89 points within his peak ELO lololol
great thread though, well done
looks like it's time for roffles to change the criteria so bisu is still no longer a dragon
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On January 10 2010 16:17 prototype. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 16:14 cabarkapa wrote:
hes 89 points within his peak ELO lololol
great thread though, well done looks like it's time for roffles to change the criteria so bisu is still no longer a dragon
You have to be 88 points within your peak ELO
or he could just remove that requirement all together, since all of the other "dragons" are still there with Bisu left out
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Your ID cannot contain the character "bisu" to be a dragon.
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poor bisu, he needs a phoenix down....asap... t least movie is doing well :D GO MOVIE!
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Yeah, change the requirements to like 100 points or something of their ELO now, since we can't have Bisu meeting the requirements
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United States3824 Posts
I see no dragons, only Acorns.
Or small countable objects.
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On January 10 2010 06:23 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 06:13 UGC4 wrote:On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote:
Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. While yes, Bisu has been winning games, we felt as if him solely winning meaningless games in PL does not warrant classification as a dragon. He's been missing from the last two starleagues and doesn't even show the skill of other dragons in either making a deep Starleague Run and isn't even the team's Ace half the time for a reason.
The statistics are quite simple. You either make deep Starleague Runs or you show that you are consistently good lifetime (> 65% win rate) or you show that you can be your team's Ace player and bring home good results. The dragons noted in this study all meet this bare minimum whereas Bisu does not. Face it, the guy is merely a shadow of his former self. wow wait a second, i thought u were just kidding with the op but apparently u are serious lol... first of all, >65% is so high, not just for protoss players, but for every fuckin player. lets go through your list of "dragons" see how they are doing with their winning rates: - jangbi 58.16% - kal 59.27% - free 55.00% - stork 60.83% - best 60.00% - bisu 64.61%- stats 52.27% - pure 47.97% - movie 52.81% - guemchi 46.24% hey, look at that, none of them are above 65%. the closest one is bisu, whom u claim is no longer a dragon. thats "what the fuck?" number 1 right there. "what the fuck?" number 2 is SKT1. the team is stacked with great players and we all know this. fantasy, best, bisu, all in one team. "bisu is not his team's ace half the time" well duh its cuz they have variety. proleague is not about the individual its about the team, and having variety in the ace card is a good thing. even other good teams like KT/MBC/STX/KHAN have 2 or 3 aces (flash/violet , sea/light/hyun , calm/kal respectively , jangbi/stork) at most, the rest of the teams have just 1 (FOX with roro basically) or none (estro). besides like i pointed out before, if bisu faces stork in an ace match how could they both meet your stupid requirement of 100% ace wins. bisu is 1 - 1 as far as ace appearances go, with the one loss against stork. what the fuck #3. ur making it seem like getting to the Ro16 of the individual leagues is an easy feat. its not. people cry when they get there (shuttle). moreover, 9 of the 10 dragons u named made it to the Ro16 but only 2 have made it to the semis (movie and kal). now regarding bisu's runs...batoo osl spring 2009 he was in the semis, this was less than a year ago. bacchus osl he gets eliminated by Zero, one of the best ZvPers and he ended up making it to the semis. this ever osl he got eliminated by Shine, another strong ZvPer who also made it to the semis (after beating stork might i add). so yeah, his runs have been unexpectedly short, but his opponents have been worthy. hate on bisu all u want but dont try to sound smart while at it. cuz u will make a fool of yourself and theres 9 pages to prove that.  troll detection fail this thread is hilarious
In what way is that a troll, and in which way does it fail?
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On January 11 2010 18:04 Demand2k wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 06:23 Slow Motion wrote:On January 10 2010 06:13 UGC4 wrote:On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote:
Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. While yes, Bisu has been winning games, we felt as if him solely winning meaningless games in PL does not warrant classification as a dragon. He's been missing from the last two starleagues and doesn't even show the skill of other dragons in either making a deep Starleague Run and isn't even the team's Ace half the time for a reason.
The statistics are quite simple. You either make deep Starleague Runs or you show that you are consistently good lifetime (> 65% win rate) or you show that you can be your team's Ace player and bring home good results. The dragons noted in this study all meet this bare minimum whereas Bisu does not. Face it, the guy is merely a shadow of his former self. wow wait a second, i thought u were just kidding with the op but apparently u are serious lol... first of all, >65% is so high, not just for protoss players, but for every fuckin player. lets go through your list of "dragons" see how they are doing with their winning rates: - jangbi 58.16% - kal 59.27% - free 55.00% - stork 60.83% - best 60.00% - bisu 64.61%- stats 52.27% - pure 47.97% - movie 52.81% - guemchi 46.24% hey, look at that, none of them are above 65%. the closest one is bisu, whom u claim is no longer a dragon. thats "what the fuck?" number 1 right there. "what the fuck?" number 2 is SKT1. the team is stacked with great players and we all know this. fantasy, best, bisu, all in one team. "bisu is not his team's ace half the time" well duh its cuz they have variety. proleague is not about the individual its about the team, and having variety in the ace card is a good thing. even other good teams like KT/MBC/STX/KHAN have 2 or 3 aces (flash/violet , sea/light/hyun , calm/kal respectively , jangbi/stork) at most, the rest of the teams have just 1 (FOX with roro basically) or none (estro). besides like i pointed out before, if bisu faces stork in an ace match how could they both meet your stupid requirement of 100% ace wins. bisu is 1 - 1 as far as ace appearances go, with the one loss against stork. what the fuck #3. ur making it seem like getting to the Ro16 of the individual leagues is an easy feat. its not. people cry when they get there (shuttle). moreover, 9 of the 10 dragons u named made it to the Ro16 but only 2 have made it to the semis (movie and kal). now regarding bisu's runs...batoo osl spring 2009 he was in the semis, this was less than a year ago. bacchus osl he gets eliminated by Zero, one of the best ZvPers and he ended up making it to the semis. this ever osl he got eliminated by Shine, another strong ZvPer who also made it to the semis (after beating stork might i add). so yeah, his runs have been unexpectedly short, but his opponents have been worthy. hate on bisu all u want but dont try to sound smart while at it. cuz u will make a fool of yourself and theres 9 pages to prove that. troll detection fail this thread is hilarious In what way is that a troll, and in which way does it fail?
the thread's a troll, meant to piss off bisu fanboys by saying that at least 10 other protosses are better than him (including guemchi), while trying to make it look like the qualifications are really easy, yet tehy still exclude Bisu.
the detection fail was because these guys haven't figured it out
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no dragons now, deal with it.
Also lol at calling players like Stats, Guemchi new dragons
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We foreigners have no right to change the Six Dragons.
While we squabble uselessly amongst ourselves,
the Koreans will never think about changing the status of the dragons.
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10 dragons or 10 snake on the ground without wings? These guys aren't doing too bad, but they are not doing so great as well. During the era of 6 dragons, they were just destroying everything they touched, Starleague and Proleague. 'Six Dragons' refer to the players AND the period which they dominated. For now the current destroyers is actually 1 person and it's not even Protoss. This is the era of Flash, but he will have his own name in time.
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you forgot Grrrr...
Guilliame Patry!
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This is nonsense.
There's only 4 Dragons left, and thats  Stork, Kal, Bisu and Violet.
BeSt, JangBi and free are the ones considered slain. They are either to inconsistent or considered one-matchup-wonders. Amongst the new players from Aiur I would only say that Violet is a Dragon. Movie is the one closest being a Dragon and Shuttle, GosI[Flying] , Pure, Stats are all promising but needs to show us more.
In my mind to be a dragon you have to have over 50% wins in each matchup and consistently win games in proleage and/or starleauges.
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So basically, every protoss that doesn't completely suck qualifies as a dragon... Except for Bisu, who has the third highest ELO atm, but hey, he's no Guemchi!
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EPT
