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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Sanity.
United States704 Posts
On January 09 2010 10:21 lac29 wrote: Those are really arbitrary requirements ... | ||
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United States10328 Posts
clearly we should have as many dragons as there are pages and add flying | ||
prototype.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 10 2010 14:37 prototype. wrote: + Show Spoiler + No. He has yet to reach any of the criteria listed. One game in a PL game that doesn't really matter doesn't prove anything. | ||
cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
great thread though, well done | ||
prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
On January 10 2010 16:14 cabarkapa wrote: hes 89 points within his peak ELO lololol great thread though, well done looks like it's time for roffles to change the criteria so bisu is still no longer a dragon | ||
cabarkapa
United States1011 Posts
On January 10 2010 16:17 prototype. wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2010 16:14 cabarkapa wrote: hes 89 points within his peak ELO lololol great thread though, well done looks like it's time for roffles to change the criteria so bisu is still no longer a dragon You have to be 88 points within your peak ELO or he could just remove that requirement all together, since all of the other "dragons" are still there with Bisu left out | ||
iloahz
United States964 Posts
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Vestige
United States303 Posts
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Sentenal
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
Or small countable objects. | ||
Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On January 10 2010 06:23 Slow Motion wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2010 06:13 UGC4 wrote: On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote: Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. While yes, Bisu has been winning games, we felt as if him solely winning meaningless games in PL does not warrant classification as a dragon. He's been missing from the last two starleagues and doesn't even show the skill of other dragons in either making a deep Starleague Run and isn't even the team's Ace half the time for a reason. The statistics are quite simple. You either make deep Starleague Runs or you show that you are consistently good lifetime (> 65% win rate) or you show that you can be your team's Ace player and bring home good results. The dragons noted in this study all meet this bare minimum whereas Bisu does not. Face it, the guy is merely a shadow of his former self. wow wait a second, i thought u were just kidding with the op but apparently u are serious lol... first of all, >65% is so high, not just for protoss players, but for every fuckin player. lets go through your list of "dragons" see how they are doing with their winning rates: - jangbi 58.16% - kal 59.27% - free 55.00% - stork 60.83% - best 60.00% - bisu 64.61% - stats 52.27% - pure 47.97% - movie 52.81% - guemchi 46.24% hey, look at that, none of them are above 65%. the closest one is bisu, whom u claim is no longer a dragon. thats "what the fuck?" number 1 right there. "what the fuck?" number 2 is SKT1. the team is stacked with great players and we all know this. fantasy, best, bisu, all in one team. "bisu is not his team's ace half the time" well duh its cuz they have variety. proleague is not about the individual its about the team, and having variety in the ace card is a good thing. even other good teams like KT/MBC/STX/KHAN have 2 or 3 aces (flash/violet , sea/light/hyun , calm/kal respectively , jangbi/stork) at most, the rest of the teams have just 1 (FOX with roro basically) or none (estro). besides like i pointed out before, if bisu faces stork in an ace match how could they both meet your stupid requirement of 100% ace wins. bisu is 1 - 1 as far as ace appearances go, with the one loss against stork. what the fuck #3. ur making it seem like getting to the Ro16 of the individual leagues is an easy feat. its not. people cry when they get there (shuttle). moreover, 9 of the 10 dragons u named made it to the Ro16 but only 2 have made it to the semis (movie and kal). now regarding bisu's runs...batoo osl spring 2009 he was in the semis, this was less than a year ago. bacchus osl he gets eliminated by Zero, one of the best ZvPers and he ended up making it to the semis. this ever osl he got eliminated by Shine, another strong ZvPer who also made it to the semis (after beating stork might i add). so yeah, his runs have been unexpectedly short, but his opponents have been worthy. hate on bisu all u want but dont try to sound smart while at it. cuz u will make a fool of yourself and theres 9 pages to prove that. ![]() troll detection fail this thread is hilarious In what way is that a troll, and in which way does it fail? | ||
ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
On January 11 2010 18:04 Demand2k wrote: Show nested quote + On January 10 2010 06:23 Slow Motion wrote: On January 10 2010 06:13 UGC4 wrote: On January 10 2010 00:04 Roffles wrote: Well, us researchers have tested the model various times, obtaining the same empirical evidence as presented in the article. While yes, Bisu has been winning games, we felt as if him solely winning meaningless games in PL does not warrant classification as a dragon. He's been missing from the last two starleagues and doesn't even show the skill of other dragons in either making a deep Starleague Run and isn't even the team's Ace half the time for a reason. The statistics are quite simple. You either make deep Starleague Runs or you show that you are consistently good lifetime (> 65% win rate) or you show that you can be your team's Ace player and bring home good results. The dragons noted in this study all meet this bare minimum whereas Bisu does not. Face it, the guy is merely a shadow of his former self. wow wait a second, i thought u were just kidding with the op but apparently u are serious lol... first of all, >65% is so high, not just for protoss players, but for every fuckin player. lets go through your list of "dragons" see how they are doing with their winning rates: - jangbi 58.16% - kal 59.27% - free 55.00% - stork 60.83% - best 60.00% - bisu 64.61% - stats 52.27% - pure 47.97% - movie 52.81% - guemchi 46.24% hey, look at that, none of them are above 65%. the closest one is bisu, whom u claim is no longer a dragon. thats "what the fuck?" number 1 right there. "what the fuck?" number 2 is SKT1. the team is stacked with great players and we all know this. fantasy, best, bisu, all in one team. "bisu is not his team's ace half the time" well duh its cuz they have variety. proleague is not about the individual its about the team, and having variety in the ace card is a good thing. even other good teams like KT/MBC/STX/KHAN have 2 or 3 aces (flash/violet , sea/light/hyun , calm/kal respectively , jangbi/stork) at most, the rest of the teams have just 1 (FOX with roro basically) or none (estro). besides like i pointed out before, if bisu faces stork in an ace match how could they both meet your stupid requirement of 100% ace wins. bisu is 1 - 1 as far as ace appearances go, with the one loss against stork. what the fuck #3. ur making it seem like getting to the Ro16 of the individual leagues is an easy feat. its not. people cry when they get there (shuttle). moreover, 9 of the 10 dragons u named made it to the Ro16 but only 2 have made it to the semis (movie and kal). now regarding bisu's runs...batoo osl spring 2009 he was in the semis, this was less than a year ago. bacchus osl he gets eliminated by Zero, one of the best ZvPers and he ended up making it to the semis. this ever osl he got eliminated by Shine, another strong ZvPer who also made it to the semis (after beating stork might i add). so yeah, his runs have been unexpectedly short, but his opponents have been worthy. hate on bisu all u want but dont try to sound smart while at it. cuz u will make a fool of yourself and theres 9 pages to prove that. ![]() troll detection fail this thread is hilarious In what way is that a troll, and in which way does it fail? the thread's a troll, meant to piss off bisu fanboys by saying that at least 10 other protosses are better than him (including guemchi), while trying to make it look like the qualifications are really easy, yet tehy still exclude Bisu. the detection fail was because these guys haven't figured it out | ||
Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Also lol at calling players like Stats, Guemchi new dragons | ||
KimchiFriedRice
Canada237 Posts
While we squabble uselessly amongst ourselves, the Koreans will never think about changing the status of the dragons. | ||
[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
Guilliame Patry! | ||
Majk
Sweden146 Posts
There's only 4 Dragons left, and thats ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() In my mind to be a dragon you have to have over 50% wins in each matchup and consistently win games in proleage and/or starleauges. | ||
MountainDewJunkie
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