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Taiwan619 Posts
On December 30 2009 11:01 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 10:57 G3nXsiS wrote:
The thing I hate is that new players beat the really good players and then go into a slump. The idea that no-namers gain bonjwa status by beating the favorites is long gone. Just look at Mind, Luxury, ForGG. At least they earned a title. Players like Shine, Type-B, BackHo did nothing of that sort. They will upset the good players because of imbalances in matchups and then go on to the semis, crash and go back to being below 50% win rate players.
Im not even asking them to be bonjwas, at least win some games in the proleague dude! Are we talking about different players? Because Shine is 9-3 in proleague and a huge reason why WeMade is in playoff contention.
shine has significantly less wins than players he has kicked out of the sl's, and the only notable win he has is against effort - in zvz. Shine's pl activity is low in profile because he rarely (if ever) plays ace for wemade, which he should, seeing that he has "stomped" all over so many great players. I suspect he never plays ace because his coaches know that he can't play a macro game and consistently relies on rushes to win.
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Did you see his terrible storm dodges?
"He's in the freaking semi finals of the OSL right now"
Type-B
Baby
Kwanro
Lets be fair about the ZvT... flash looks like he's going to rape anyone. Both Zero and Jaedong got handled.
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Only reason I haven't been rooting for Shine is because of his poor ZvT. It's going to be rather disappointing OSL final when Shine rolls Movie over and then gets absolutely destroyed by Flash in an unentertaining manner.
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On December 30 2009 11:21 Sabu113 wrote:
Did you see his terrible storm dodges?
"He's in the freaking semi finals of the OSL right now"
Type-B
Baby
Kwanro
Kwanro is good and type-b never beat anyone.
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A little off topic but I really wonder why people think that Flash vs Movie would be a better series than Flash vs Shine? Both kinda suck vs Terran (less than 50% winrate) and Sine's vT Elo is a few points higher than Movie's (although both are just about around 2000). Neither has a realistic chance of beating Flash in a Bo5. If people are factoring in Flash's relative weakness against Protoss, then that's idiotic since it only applies to the very best PvT players (which Movie isn't), while he crushes lesser Protosses like they are nothing.
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On December 30 2009 09:27 cz wrote:
So why isn't Bisu just countering Shine's predictable hydras? Is it because hydras are an auto-win? Or is it because there's a deeper metagame that is keeping Bisu off-balance, unable to confidently prepare for hydras, and Shine is taking adv of that?
I understand that Bisu could have done a better job countering Shine's attack. That doesn't justify the attack or Shine as a gamer. Shine doesn't deliver win or lose.
The opposite to Shine is Zero. Zero has complete confidence in his micro and macro to the point where he can control the game. Early aggression or late game macro fight, he can handle it. Doesn't necessarily win - but no one can doubt him. Zero has recently played versus Flash, Stork, Movie and Pure and he's delivered in all of the games.
Mining out the back minerals or spamming Hydras versus Protoss might win you a game or two, but that doesn't mean you can play ZvP.
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On December 30 2009 08:56 jalstar wrote:no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise.
So? Julyzerg wouldn't have been able to keep up with best macro-wise, but still managed to win a golden mouse off of him 3-0.
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On December 30 2009 11:40 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 08:56 jalstar wrote:On December 30 2009 08:56 emucxg wrote:
Shine vs Flash would be awsome no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise. So? Julyzerg wouldn't have been able to keep up with best macro-wise, but still managed to win a golden mouse off of him 3-0.
What do you call game 3 of that set then?
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On December 30 2009 11:40 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 08:56 jalstar wrote:On December 30 2009 08:56 emucxg wrote:
Shine vs Flash would be awsome no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise. So? Julyzerg wouldn't have been able to keep up with best macro-wise, but still managed to win a golden mouse off of him 3-0.
Did you even fucking watch that series? Watch game 3 and tell me that July didn't out macro him.
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kwanro is so bad are you guys kidding me
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The hardest road ever to winning an OSL was Flash. Beat Jaedong, Bisu, Stork to win his title. And it was the age of Stork/Bisu/Jaedong/Flash quartet.
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On December 30 2009 11:43 Myxomatosis wrote:
kwanro is so bad are you guys kidding me
bigger winrate than zero with nearly equal games.
MSL Finalist.
Two times OSL Ro16.
This are things very few gamer accomplish.
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Sure, people really underestimate Shine. People tend to forget that Flash used to be a cheesy noob in the past like Shine too. Anyway, I much prefer to see Flash vs Movie though, since because a Protoss would have a higher chance of winning 
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On December 30 2009 08:48 Chill wrote:
I think naming the thread "Time for him to shine (spoilers)" is pretty silly, since the the "spoilers" part specifically spoils everything.
A more spoiler thread than the famouse "Why Calm will win this msl" ??? xDD
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i like shines zvp, i really do, he is not afraid to gamble when he is in position to do so, or play solid when needed, very good overall in this matchup those crybabies who say he does nothing but hydra breaks are haters with no clue. against movie should be really great matches and is hard to tell what will happen, i just hope none of them chokes with all the semifinal thingy.
his zvz is quite ok too from what i've seen, solid, but yeah it's zvz so nobody is safe.
zvt needs some work but its too early to tell, yeah he lost vs Hwasin MSL but he is really good tvz.
even tho i like him, his style is very defined and that will make him an easier target for other players in the long run imho.
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Shine he´s been very tough with this ZvZ and ZvP, but if he gets into finals vs Flash, a powerful TvZ guy, the road may be over
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Shine is fucking amazing. And I don't know if his mechanics allow it but his mind will make him 2/3rd best zerg in the world (competing with Zero and Jaedong). Anyone who doubts this watch Shine vs Violet on destination.
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On December 30 2009 11:28 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 11:21 Sabu113 wrote:
Did you see his terrible storm dodges?
"He's in the freaking semi finals of the OSL right now"
Type-B
Baby
Kwanro Kwanro is good and type-b never beat anyone.
Stork disagrees.
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On December 30 2009 11:58 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Shine is fucking amazing. And I don't know if his mechanics allow it but his mind will make him 2/3rd best zerg in the world (competing with Zero and Jaedong). Anyone who doubts this watch Shine vs Violet on destination.
You are forgetting Calm and Effort tsk..tsk...tsk
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