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On December 30 2009 08:54 SkytoM wrote:
Shine is awful, you say next JD when he got a MU in < 50%.. have the Standards fallen so low?
A good player has all MU's >60%.
Shine suckz. and he is just there because bisu only trained for really ( and bisu is a moron for doing that , no offense ), and el nino. Every season there is a " breakthrough " player, then comes the (deserved) hate and now (as always) defending threads. dude, this is a by.hero right there. or even worse a yarnc or type-b.
He is nothing special nor will he accomplish anything ever. its like kwanro in the finals if shine gets into OSL finals. Just a shame.
Give the guy time and we will see. That comment at the end isnt the main point I'm trying to make. I'm just trying to prove to all the Shine-haters that he well deserves to be in the Round of 4. Plus, he would rape all you haters in an sc match anyways so show a little respect lol.
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On December 30 2009 08:54 SkytoM wrote:
Shine is awful, you say next JD when he got a MU in < 50%.. have the Standards fallen so low?
A good player has all MU's >60%.
Shine suckz. and he is just there because bisu only trained for really ( and bisu is a moron for doing that , no offense ), and el nino. Every season there is a " breakthrough " player, then comes the (deserved) hate and now (as always) defending threads. dude, this is a by.hero right there. or even worse a yarnc or type-b.
He is nothing special nor will he accomplish anything ever. its like kwanro in the finals if shine gets into OSL finals. Just a shame. Jaedong had 50% in zvp when he beat stork in the finals... Shine had a hard group and hard opponents yet he overcame it. And Kwanro def deserved to be in the finals last season, flash, zero, iris? Why does everyone shit on kwanro lol? Anyways, obviously anyone who gets to the semi's or the final deserves to be there, because they overcame who they had to play against, etc. Though I agree kwanro, shine etc, dont have the capacity [atm] to make a finals worthwhile because they dont have the capacity to push their play to the next level. Still, they deserve credit.
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On December 30 2009 08:56 jalstar wrote:no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise.
4 pool every game.
But yeah, I'm not sure even that would work considering positioning and just how good Flash is right now.
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He's pretty good at ZvZ too. I don't think he's going to be able to beat Flash in a bo5 though, or even give him a good series, unless his ZvT has improved a lot. I don't even think I've seen Shine play a Terran since he started being noticed (when he eliminated Bisu).
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United States2186 Posts
How is he any different than Silver? His style does not favor consistency and he is going to run into a giant wall next season once people realize he can only win in a few limited ways. Until you can give some reason why he's different than Silver there's no reason to think he won't just lose in the semis/finals embarrassingly and fade away.
And he most definitely did not have anywhere near the hardest run ever especially with these maps. Unless he beats Flash it's not really all that impressive when you take into consideration the current condition of his opponents, maps, and the matchups he's playing them in.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
You compared  Shine to EffOrt and I couldn't read anymore.
The first reason is because it's true, Shine has magically done better in these starleagues then EffOrt, but also because it's terribly obvious that EffOrt is waaaay better than Shine, and you're going to ask for evidence, and no amount of games I produce will convince you of this.
Shine is a good player, but he's not a great player, and he will lose to  Movie.
Also, Shine v.  Flash would be a terrible series. I can just see it; Muta All-in, One Hatch Lurker, Muta All-In, Hydra All-In, Muta All-In.
In conclusion:
+ Show Spoiler +May we never see Shine again after this.
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He's just a one-hit wonder. Movie will beat him easily.
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On December 30 2009 08:58 Ver wrote:
How is he any different than Silver? His style does not favor consistency and he is going to run into a giant wall next season once people realize he can only win in a few limited ways. Until you can give some reason why he's different than Silver there's no reason to think he won't just lose in the semis/finals embarrassingly and fade away.
And he most definitely did not have anywhere near the hardest run ever especially with these maps. Unless he beats Flash it's not really all that impressive when you take into consideration the current condition of his opponents, maps, and the matchups he's playing them in. Shine plays like Kwanro, July, luxury, yarnc and yeah, jaedong. Thats his style, low econ. Silver wasnt low econ. He all-inned or banked on intelligent play, silver was more of a yell0w than anyone else. Hes blatantly different than silver because:
1) styles are drastically different
2) Shine hasnt abused his only competent mu to get where he is now, silver just played a shit ton of zvp's and then had a cripple fight with jju in order to get to the finals.
Seriously, why use silver? Least apt comparison I can imagine...
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On December 30 2009 08:41 kb.RepulsE wrote:
Okay so this guy could use some work with his ZvT but his other matchups seem very proficient. I'll admit, he was eliminated by Hwasin of all people in the Nate MSL round of 32 but that was ZvT, something I already said he needed work on.
I'm sorry, but what? Hwasin has always been a TvZ specialist. There's no shame in losing to him ZvT.
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On December 30 2009 09:02 icemac wrote:
He's just a one-hit wonder. Movie will beat him easily.
He just cleaned out Bisu and Stork and now Movie is a big favorite against him? I realize he may not be as great as his recent events dictate, but cmon.
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10387 Posts
Backho once made it to the OSL Semis
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On December 30 2009 09:05 ArvickHero wrote:
Backho once made it to the OSL Semis
That's just a cheapshot lol
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If Shine makes it to the OSL finals, all he'll be doing is robbing us of a decent (Flash vs Movie) series. He'll try to all-in Flash 3 times in a row and fail miserably.
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i hope Shine CRUSHES Movie.
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haha I remember people made these exact same threads about Kwanro and Thezerg, especially the latter.
Shines pretty solid, but I'm inclined to believe his wins are a lucky streak like so many other players, rather than anything else.
Still, he could probably make ro4 or finals like Type-B
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I've got to admit it, Shine is one of my favorite players now, just because of the hate he generates from all the fan-boys when he crushes their heroes.
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On December 30 2009 09:05 ArvickHero wrote:
Backho once made it to the OSL Semis
but backho is awesome =)
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Well Calm did that Mutalisk vs Protoss on El Nino against Pure which Shine did too, so Shine abused that map perfectly (not based on skills). Shine on game 3 vs Stork AGAIN abused the map of HBR's backdoor minerals and succeeded again. So in a sense, he abuses every single thing he can. His late game is pretty weak, if you watch the game of him vs Stork second game, he crumbled and his army got decimated by Stork's ball of death. His defense is pretty weak.
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On December 30 2009 09:08 Hinanawi wrote:
If Shine makes it to the OSL finals, all he'll be doing is robbing us of a decent (Flash vs Movie) series. He'll try to all-in Flash 3 times in a row and fail miserably.
Yeah, because he should just roll over for established players. He's playing to win and if he's at the finals, he deserved to get there. Everybody has to start somewhere; there's no point in shitting on new players just because you think they'll give you disappointing games despite evidence (wins vs. Stork, Bisu, etc.) of the contrary.
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Shine is obviously a great player if he can get this far. Just because he won't 'fight like a man' or 'stand up to his opponent' or whatever doesn't mean he isn't a good player. The winner wins, the loser loses - this is how competition works.
Like Chill said, this guy's ZvP is the real deal. Going all muta or whatever doesn't matter. He obviously has good game sense ZvP. The guy made it this far by taking out at least 2 incredibly strong players - Bisu and Stork.
I don't see how anyone could hate someone who gives such entertaining games.
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