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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 09 2010 00:46 GMT
#301
i left this thread alone so you guys could have your fun, but it's time for everyone to realize that shine[kal] is not very good at all

he has superb mutalisk micro and terrible everything else

the fact that he reached the OSL semifinal is tragic
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 09 2010 00:50 GMT
#302
On January 09 2010 09:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i left this thread alone so you guys could have your fun, but it's time for everyone to realize that shine[kal] is not very good at all

he has superb mutalisk micro and terrible everything else

the fact that he reached the OSL semifinal is tragic



Shine robbed us of a possible Stork vs Flash Finals rematch :[
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 09 2010 00:54 GMT
#303
What I don't understand is how some people don't understand why Shine gets a lot of hate. If a guy comes out of nowhere and beats Bisu and Stork, you as a fan are not going to fucking cheer for him right off the bat, especially when it's very likely that he's just a fluke zerg, as shown yesterday.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
January 09 2010 04:41 GMT
#304
On January 09 2010 09:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i left this thread alone so you guys could have your fun, but it's time for everyone to realize that shine[kal] is not very good at all

he has superb mutalisk micro and terrible everything else

the fact that he reached the OSL semifinal is tragic


you forgot observer sniping and storm dodging!

but yeah, seriously, doubt he'll even make the ro8 of a starleague ever again
I drop suckas like Plinko
SkylineSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States564 Posts
January 09 2010 04:45 GMT
#305
saw shine play movie and jangbi just now... very very mediocure showing for someone who suppose to be be really good at ZvP...

i mean his game revolves around lair play + counter / drops... average storm dodging, macro is nothing to brag about. i think he kinda got lucky that he got this far.
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
January 09 2010 05:03 GMT
#306
HE JUST LOSE TO JANGBI ^^
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 09 2010 05:20 GMT
#307
this thread just seems silly now
( ・´ー・`)
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 09 2010 05:22 GMT
#308
After watching him v Movie and now versus Jangbi, his micro can definitely be summarized as terrible. He sits in storms, has random unit groups suiciding into cannons, etc. Bisu and Stork must be so incredibly pissed that they lost to THAT.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 06:35:43
January 09 2010 06:11 GMT
#309
On January 09 2010 09:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i left this thread alone so you guys could have your fun, but it's time for everyone to realize that shine[kal] is not very good at all

he has superb mutalisk micro and terrible everything else

the fact that he reached the OSL semifinal is tragic


100% agree. Look at Shine v.s. Stork. How did Stork lose? Inadequate defense against Muta. I recognize only two points that make Shine shine: 1. Superb Muta micro, he can dance around 3 archons and kill them. 2. Good decision making skill. He can make good decisions and be flexible. His all-ins are not suicidal and he can accurately predict his opponent's movement and make smart decisions accordingly.

That's about it. The player has NO late game ability. His micro is mediocre, save for his muta. ALL he does is early game hyper aggression and regular all-ins. Once those tactics fail. He is dead. Hell, he even fails hydra all in. The only reason why he made this far is because of his Muta. Shine is a rookie. His style wasn't well known or established yet. The players that he faced were surprised and ill-prepared and lost to early game aggression.

Do you guys even know why he made this far? I read from somewhere that Bisu DID NOT practice all that much against Shine. While you can take that as a grain of salt, let's look at his OSL group. He emerged 2-1, one win from ZvZ, since he is great with muta after all and it is ZvZ. One win from defeating Fantasy, because Fantasy executed ONE OF THE MOST FAIL STRATEGIES EVER. Then he defeated Stork, with what?

MUTALISKS. TWICE! Seriously, go watch Stork v.s. Shine. Shine just walked over Stork in game 1 and 3 with just muta and nothing else. In game 2, Stork dragged Shine to late game and Shine got rolled.

Players will now know what Shine's winning strategy is consisted of. It's just like Fantasy's vultures. It will lose its effectiveness eventually.

The only saving grace about Shine is his grandma. I think she should be satisfied that her grandson made it to top 4 of the most prestigious tournament in E-sports. If it wasn't for her, I'd declare myself a 100% anti-Shine fan.



Movie, on the other hand, deserve credit. He WTF'ed me when he defeated Jaedong in Avalon MSL, and then took Fantasy, who was at his peak and the best TvP at the time, to an epic late game show down in which almost all the minerals on the map were mined out and Fantasy was inches away from losing.

That was when Movie debuted. I had no clue who the hell Movie was, but he defeated Jaedong and took Fantasy to his absolute limit. And this is Movie, a Protoss, at an OSL final. He is walking the same road that Bisu and Anytime walked. A Protoss no-name rookie royal roading a Starleague, against all odds, and pinned against the greatest monster of their era in the final.

And Movie will show us a good series, on Jan. 17th.

Edit: Minor correction. Movie defeated Jaedong in Avalon MSL, not the OSL. :p
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 09 2010 06:20 GMT
#310
On January 09 2010 14:20 prototype. wrote:
this thread just seems silly now


Just put Movie in here and get rid of shine and all is good .
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