EPTTime for him to shine - Page 7
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Liquid`Nazgul
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
On December 30 2009 14:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: You talk as if being in the OSL semis means something. by.hero did it and now he's failing (I still think he can come back though, hero fighting!), type-b did it and we know where that's going. Yarnc made it to the finals, it still didn't mean anything. Do you somehow consider "good players" to only consist of like the top 4 in the world or something? Being in the OSL semis DOES mean something. It means he's had to prepare effectively for 3 bo3's, which means the opponent is going to be preparing hard for that too. It's not just "one proleague game," it's a game with huge implications considering that it's a starleague with thousands in prize money. If there's ANYTHING that means something, it's how someone does in the OSL or the MSL. Especially if you consider that one of those bo3's was against Bisu, and then another one was against Stork. He also played against Fantasy and Effort and won both of those. While you can criticize his late game play and what-not, saying being in the OSL semis means nothing is unthoughtful :\ | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
Also, saying that July outmacroed Best in the third set is misleading. It was July's gamesense and his opponent's psychological disadvantage that allowed July to do as he pleased with the map. It wasn't July's incredible macro ability that put him in the lead in that game. It was pure gamesense and experience. Once you have a huge lead and can expand at will, being able to outmacro your opponent is not significant, it is expected. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
then drop off into nothing. Look at ForGG, Mind, Much, Luxury, GGPlay, and lots of others. They all have starleague wins. After they won, they started sucking, and never really recovered. I'm not saying "shine is gay cheesy fag noob", but "Shine can be the next Jaedong" is stupid. Don't forget, type-b got to the semifinals last OSL. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On December 30 2009 14:32 Loanshark wrote: A lot of people can randomly just rise up, own shit up for a few months, win a starleague against the top people at the time, go through a whole bunch of hype/hate + Show Spoiler + then drop off into nothing. Look at ForGG, Mind, Much, Luxury, GGPlay, and lots of others. They all have starleague wins. After they won, they started sucking, and never really recovered. I'm not saying "shine is gay cheesy fag noob", but "Shine can be the next Jaedong" is stupid. Don't forget, type-b got to the semifinals last OSL. much won a sl? | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
That being said, MOVIE, DESTROY THIS MOTHERFUCKER! | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
If I missed something here, that Shine came up with an innovative/creative play, feel free to correct me. On December 30 2009 14:45 7mk wrote: I agree with the OP that people should stop hating on shine just because he beat their favourite player, he did so straight up and deserves to be where he is right now. That being said, MOVIE, DESTROY THIS MOTHERFUCKER! I totally disagree with your first point, but I wholeheartedly agree with your redeeming second point.  Edit: I think hatred is just a part of the entertainment. It is what makes sports interesting. I tried pretty hard to hate Jaedong, but the kid is too likable to hate. I have found my new target. I will not loose my grip on it. | ||
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NeVeR
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On December 30 2009 08:55 Chill wrote: I think Shine's ZvP is for real. He played straight up games against Bisu and Stork and showed really strong play. Actually I was there when he eliminated Bisu and I saw so many girls crying haha. Anyways, at this point I really think he's a one-matchup sniper and will fall pretty quickly when the other two get put to the test. Yeah I agree with this. Reminds me a lot of by.Hero | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On December 30 2009 14:45 dukethegold wrote: What makes me hate Shine is that he is defeating high profile players with basically standard play. They are really good, refined, even entertaining standard play. But it is still standard play. If I missed something here, that Shine came up with an innovative/creative play, feel free to correct me. He used Queens pretty creatively against Violet on Destination. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
On December 30 2009 14:45 dukethegold wrote: What makes me hate Shine is that he is defeating high profile players with basically standard play. They are really good, refined, even entertaining standard play. But it is still standard play. If I missed something here, that Shine came up with an innovative/creative play, feel free to correct me. When Shine wins straight up games, it's not good enough for you. If Shine goes some 2-hatch build all-in, you all yell, "Ahh can't even play straight up! Boo!" Seriously. Fuck you little haters. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On December 30 2009 15:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote: When Shine wins straight up games, it's not good enough for you. If Shine goes some 2-hatch build all-in, you all yell, "Ahh can't even play straight up! Boo!" Seriously. Fuck you little haters. Ding Ding. People have just decided to hate him and will justify it however they can. The fact is that his ZvP is fucking solid and that's all we've basically seen out of him. He will do well against Movie. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
Also, he reminds of July, in that he seems "big" and plays zerg. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 30 2009 15:18 MountainDewJunkie wrote: When Shine wins straight up games, it's not good enough for you. If Shine goes some 2-hatch build all-in, you all yell, "Ahh can't even play straight up! Boo!" Seriously. Fuck you little haters. Exactly. Complete fucking hypocrites who can't handle their favorite player getting destroyed. On December 30 2009 10:42 lone_hydra wrote: here have always been heroes in starcraft, but there as never been a villain. If Shine upsets Flash... dammmnnn, You obviously weren't around in the days of Matler, or even iloveoov. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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yes9111
United States420 Posts
On December 30 2009 14:19 DefMatrixUltra wrote: I think the comparison to July is apt. A lot of people are saying that Shine is incapable of macroing, but I think his strategies are just more aggression-based like July's strategies. Ever since Savior, we haven't really had a non-management Zerg style come to the forefront. We've seen a bit of it with Kwanro who is not terribly successful with it. We've seen Jaedong take a handful of games with super-aggression, but this is more Jaedong than Zerg in general. Shine just represents an aggressive mindset. This may be suboptimal or weak compared to the macro game, but it sure as hell works for him - especially in this macro-heavy environment. Also, saying that July outmacroed Best in the third set is misleading. It was July's gamesense and his opponent's psychological disadvantage that allowed July to do as he pleased with the map. It wasn't July's incredible macro ability that put him in the lead in that game. It was pure gamesense and experience. Once you have a huge lead and can expand at will, being able to outmacro your opponent is not significant, it is expected. Haven't there actually been more aggressive Zergs recently? There's Kwanro, Luxury, JD, yarnc, calm? It's easier for me to play aggressively and end the game quick than dragging it out, especially with T and P han bang armies that are such a pain in the ass to kill. And I don't really see anything wrong with Shine lol. I love Effort and Stork but Shine's gotta win too. | ||
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Ideas
United States8176 Posts
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thestool91
672 Posts
I think I would place Shine above Kwanro, above below Calm. But I am no doubt going to watch Movie vs Shine. Thats going to be epic. GL to both | ||
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