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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 01 2010 05:44 jalstar wrote: Idea for nickname: dragon slayer Every time he's faced one of the 6 dragons he's won the first game, although he hasn't played BeSt or free yet. He's already the Typhoon. Isn't hwasin supposed to be the dragon slayer? Or is that just a name that gets tossed around once a player beats all of the dragons? | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On December 30 2009 09:00 tree.hugger wrote: You compared  Shine to EffOrt and I couldn't read anymore. The first reason is because it's true, Shine has magically done better in these starleagues then EffOrt, but also because it's terribly obvious that EffOrt is waaaay better than Shine, and you're going to ask for evidence, and no amount of games I produce will convince you of this. DISCLAIMER: I dislike EffOrt and always have, apart from that one game where he took Luxury apart with insane muta-ling multitask off a spore turtle. Top 3 ZvZ of 2009. But I digress.EffOrt doesn't have what it takes to be great; he has 0 clutch. He's the best thing CJ has for an ace player at the moment, and he's very good. Very very good. He can play with anybody. But he's just not got enough focus to bring home gold. Along with the likes of Leta, Kal, and Light, he heads the ranks of my "just never going to win a Starleague" list. Shine may not have the same consistency, but he's got better - bigger? - drive and huge upside; he has an "edge". He may not be quantifiably "better", but right now he's playing just as well and getting at least comparable results. Just for the hell of it, here are the current top 7 ELO Zergs' game records since the beginning of October, a date I selected more or less at random, but more or less marks the start of the new season. Jaedong: 22-8Calm: 21-10EffOrt: 20-10Kwanro: 15-9ZerO: 24-14Luxury: 9-7Shine: 20-10Shine's been playing as well as the best of them now. His record is just as good as EffOrt's, except he dropped SL games instead of PL ones. Yes, he's #7 ELO. But his current ELO is his peak ELO; all the others are well below their peaks except for Kwanro. Oh, and one more thing? Shine is 2-0 against EffOrt. I know it's ZvZ, but isn't EffOrt supposed to be good at ZvZ? | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
 Mind and fOrGG. Even if he does take the OSL this year (which I seriously doubt), we will most likely never see anything from him ever again. Shine is not a bad player, but I honestly think people have a tendency of hyping up prospective players to be the next best thing too much. It happened with Leta, it happened with Calm and is now happening with Shine. Just beacuse someone has the potential to be great does not mean that they WILL be great. For all we know, by next season,  Bisu might defeat Shine with ease and then Shine will forever fall into obscurity.All I am saying is that people get excited over upsets way too easily. It takes more then a good run in a Starleague for a player to become one of the greats. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
So: enjoy the ride. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 01 2010 07:09 Tom Phoenix wrote: To me, Shine is more of a one-hit wonder along with the likes of Mind and fOrGG. Even if he does take the OSL this year (which I seriously doubt), we will most likely never see anything from him ever again. Shine is not a bad player, but I honestly think people have a tendency of hyping up prospective players to be the next best thing too much. It happened with Leta, it happened with Calm and is now happening with Shine. Just beacuse someone has the potential to be great does not mean that they WILL be great. For all we know, by next season, Bisu might defeat Shine with ease and then Shine will forever fall into obscurity.All I am saying is that people get excited over upsets way too easily. It takes more then a good run in a Starleague for a player to become one of the greats. Leta's success was largely due to mech maps and Calm is easily the third or even second best Zerg in the world. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On January 01 2010 05:44 jalstar wrote: Idea for nickname: dragon slayer Every time he's faced one of the 6 dragons he's won the first game, although he hasn't played BeSt or free yet. He's allready the typhoon zerg. (Storm zerg heir anyone ? =)) | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On January 01 2010 07:44 jalstar wrote: Leta's success was largely due to mech maps and Calm is easily the third or even second best Zerg in the world.Given, Calm is still doing relatively well. Yet, his short-lived MSL run has already made a significant dent in his reputation as the next best thing that was built up after his Avalon MSL victory. As for Leta...he is the new Sea[Shield]. A successful ProLeague player condemned to never do well in individual leagues. I will admit that perhaps Calm is not the best example of what I am trying to convey. But my point still stands. Shine doing well now is by no means a guaruantee that he will do well next season, the season after that or any other season for the rest of his career for that matter. Of course, there is also no guaruantee that he will NOT do well. But there have been many one-hit wonders in StarCraft`s history and Shine has yet to show anything that would indicate he is not another one of those. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 01 2010 06:42 Musoeun wrote: Oh, and one more thing? Shine is 2-0 against EffOrt. I know it's ZvZ, but isn't EffOrt supposed to be good at ZvZ? Use TLPD. Statistically, ZvZ is by far Effort's worst right now. ZvP is his best. He's a really solid player all around and shows great potential. I don't know why you are hating on him. | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On January 01 2010 08:57 yhnmk wrote: rofl @ Effort not clutch. Anyone who wants to bm a player now a days without bming the player directly just says hes not clutch and runs away so he doesn't have to provide evidence. What a joke... Effort doesn't win when it counts most. He's fine up to a point; he doesn't make that last final step. I don't think he ever will. He's never made a final, call it bad luck or whatever but he hasn't. I don't think he ever will. | ||
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Creationism
China505 Posts
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ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
On January 02 2010 07:07 Musoeun wrote: Effort doesn't win when it counts most. He's fine up to a point; he doesn't make that last final step. I don't think he ever will. He's never made a final, call it bad luck or whatever but he hasn't. I don't think he ever will. A fine example of him not being clutch is his ace match against khan also, while zvz might not be efforts strongest matchup, it is what he is known for, hell, shine is known for zvp now, but zvz is his strongest matchup. people expect effort to win his zvzs, and shine beating him twice is pretty impressive | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 02 2010 07:07 Musoeun wrote: Effort doesn't win when it counts most. He's fine up to a point; he doesn't make that last final step. I don't think he ever will. He's never made a final, call it bad luck or whatever but he hasn't. I don't think he ever will. have we forgotten last round of PL already? A player loses 2 games out of 12 and he's not clutch? gotta love the morons | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 02 2010 07:07 Musoeun wrote: Effort doesn't win when it counts most. He's fine up to a point; he doesn't make that last final step. I don't think he ever will. He's never made a final, call it bad luck or whatever but he hasn't. I don't think he ever will. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about but then I suppose ace matches mean nothing nowadays. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On January 02 2010 07:14 Creationism wrote: Shine is reminiscent of the season when Backho (blackho) single-handedly made the OSL crap by eliminating Bisu, Casy, and Jaedong. And realistically, he will meet the same end. And Jangbi rofl oh and how is Effort not clutch? forgot about the super ace against khan? | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
Wow. Effort loses an ace match to Jangbi and idiots say he's not clutch. Not like he singlehandedly beat Samsung in the PL playoffs last year including an ace match and a super ace match.... Wow. When swarm season ends, the player who stands to gain the MOST is Effort. He's a favorite in ZvT against every player except Flash, and a favorite in ZvP against every player. He hasn't been playing the same ZvP and ZvT styles as most Zergs, and thus stands less to lose when new metagame shifts are made. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
He's not top-level refined yet, but he's great at picking holes in his opponents play with his aggressive style. Once he has the foot on the throat, he doesn't let up. He could definitely trouble someone like Flash (if he makes it) with his strong muta micro, but it's a matter if he could keep up in the mid to late game. I'm defnitely a Shine fan though. I think there's something special about him. | ||
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