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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 02 2010 02:12 GMT
#181
Flash 3-0 Plz

kthx
Jaedong :3
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 02 2010 02:13 GMT
#182
On January 02 2010 07:14 Creationism wrote:
Shine is reminiscent of the season when Backho (blackho) single-handedly made the OSL crap by eliminating Bisu, Casy, and Jaedong. And realistically, he will meet the same end.


backho never beat any of those players in a Bo3
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
January 02 2010 02:14 GMT
#183
I always recognized EffOrt for his ridiculous ZvZ (known to be pretty much on par with JD when he was on fire), but now I look at his statistics and he's raping ZvP and ZvZ is his worse MU. 74% ZvP, that's pretty beast.
Graphics
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
January 02 2010 02:28 GMT
#184
i think you guys are judging effort by the wrong yardstick. the thing that shows how much a zerg stands above his peers tends to be their vT skills. effort.... is GOOD at vT. look at the way he simply overpowers so many terran opponents. watch his ace match game vs flash on heartbreak ridge from the last proleague season. that game was _shocking_ to me. i hadnt seen any other zerg take flash like that in a longer, management game other than jaedong.

it was the same as in the game vs light on moon glaive (i think it was before neo moon glaive).

this makes me think that effort is an outstanding player.

+ Show Spoiler +
even after watching the OSL semi finals, i didnt get the same feel from calm. his mutalisk micro was amazing, but only in one game did the setting progress into the late game. two games were ended abruptly by flash's timing push. one game calm ended with his mutalisks.

the 3rd set developed into late game, where it felt like calm never stood a chance at defeating flash's tank mass. calm made it to the late game, but didnt set himself up to win. consequently, i dont think hes as good as effort. next time flash and effort play, well get a more up to date confirmation or denial of what im saying.


and to those saying that effort hasnt made a final.... he JUST won the ***ROOKIE*** award from kespa. the rookie award for gods sake!!! even flash hasnt made a final in ages. getting further in a league doesnt always mean youre a better player.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 02 2010 02:37 GMT
#185
Mentioning Effort's management skill vs T without mentioning Effort vs Mind? And that was an ace match too, definitely a clutch situation.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 06 2010 19:53 GMT
#186
On January 02 2010 11:04 darktreb wrote:
Effort underachieved in individual leagues for 2 seasons (getting knocked out by ZvZ and BBS in all cases) and now idiots are saying "he'll never make it".

Wow.

Effort loses an ace match to Jangbi and idiots say he's not clutch. Not like he singlehandedly beat Samsung in the PL playoffs last year including an ace match and a super ace match....

Wow.

When swarm season ends, the player who stands to gain the MOST is Effort. He's a favorite in ZvT against every player except Flash, and a favorite in ZvP against every player. He hasn't been playing the same ZvP and ZvT styles as most Zergs, and thus stands less to lose when new metagame shifts are made.


Effort and Zero for that matter will definitely win at least 1 title they are insanely skilled .
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 06 2010 20:16 GMT
#187
I believe in you Shine! Probably my favorite Zerg atm.
Still... I would never betray Flash, but I'm hoping for an epic final.

(T)Flash 3-2 (Z)Shine
gogo
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
January 06 2010 20:24 GMT
#188
I dont think that Shine is that amazing compared to most of the progamers out there.. hes good but nothing special in the korean scene.
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 06 2010 20:27 GMT
#189
On January 02 2010 08:14 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2010 07:07 Musoeun wrote:
On January 01 2010 08:57 yhnmk wrote:
rofl @ Effort not clutch. Anyone who wants to bm a player now a days without bming the player directly just says hes not clutch and runs away so he doesn't have to provide evidence. What a joke...


Effort doesn't win when it counts most. He's fine up to a point; he doesn't make that last final step. I don't think he ever will. He's never made a final, call it bad luck or whatever but he hasn't. I don't think he ever will.


have we forgotten last round of PL already? A player loses 2 games out of 12 and he's not clutch?

gotta love the morons

Stork, Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash lose two games in a row. Multiple threads/blogs slump threads are made.

Stork, Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash win an MSL or OSL. Multiple bonjwa threads are made.
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
January 06 2010 20:35 GMT
#190
I love this guy.
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 06 2010 20:36 GMT
#191
In all fairness, I feel like a third of the TLnet community is too new to this game to really understand what a bonjwa is all about.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
January 06 2010 20:43 GMT
#192
fucking a, what's with this "low economy is not straight-up play" bullshit

generations of zerg have played their games on low economy

how many of these haters were even around before management style destroyed low economy play?
But why?
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
January 06 2010 20:52 GMT
#193
I luve shine. Hes awsome
I pwn noobs
bluegoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States141 Posts
January 06 2010 20:56 GMT
#194
shine plays oldschool; which makes all this hate even more surprising
war3 player learning sc
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
January 06 2010 20:57 GMT
#195
Shine is just another lucky zerg winner who prepares but does not last. He will fall pretty fast after this. He needs more time
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 06 2010 22:18 GMT
#196
On December 30 2009 08:56 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 08:56 emucxg wrote:
Shine vs Flash would be awsome


no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise.

Shine absolutely DIES late game where Flash shines
Shine's play revolves around his lair tech units and his mutal control
If Flash can defend up untill the late game he will roll shine ez
cw)minsean(ru
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-06 22:41:22
January 06 2010 22:40 GMT
#197
On January 07 2010 07:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2009 08:56 jalstar wrote:
On December 30 2009 08:56 emucxg wrote:
Shine vs Flash would be awsome


no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise.

Shine absolutely DIES late game where Flash shines
Shine's play revolves around his lair tech units and his mutal control
If Flash can defend up untill the late game he will roll shine ez


You say this as if Flash's early game is a weakness...which it isn't.

Shine's play DOES revolve around lair tech units and muta control but it also relies around the fact that his early/mid game is BETTER than his opponents.

That and he has no inherent ZvP advantage to ride out against Flash because well.. Flash plays Terran. I still hold that Shine is a flash pan player. He'll make this OSL final MAYBE and then fall into obscurity.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 06 2010 22:42 GMT
#198
Remember when Oov was performing in tvz similar to the level at which Flash is currently playing? In fact, it would be possible to say he was playing better comparatively than Flash is. (28-0, 17-0, whatever. It's pretty close though.)

July broke that streak. An aggressive, over the top zerg player.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-06 22:48:52
January 06 2010 22:48 GMT
#199
Shine will never be "the next best zerg" if he doesnt get at least a good ZvT.

Jaedong, July, Savior all were ZvT beasts at the beginning of their career.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 06 2010 23:01 GMT
#200
On January 07 2010 07:40 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 07:18 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
On December 30 2009 08:56 jalstar wrote:
On December 30 2009 08:56 emucxg wrote:
Shine vs Flash would be awsome


no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise.

Shine absolutely DIES late game where Flash shines
Shine's play revolves around his lair tech units and his mutal control
If Flash can defend up untill the late game he will roll shine ez


You say this as if Flash's early game is a weakness...which it isn't.

Shine's play DOES revolve around lair tech units and muta control but it also relies around the fact that his early/mid game is BETTER than his opponents.

That and he has no inherent ZvP advantage to ride out against Flash because well.. Flash plays Terran. I still hold that Shine is a flash pan player. He'll make this OSL final MAYBE and then fall into obscurity.

oh god. i didn't mean to say that Flash's early game is weak
im just saying that Shine excels in using his tier 1 and tier 2 units

And considering how TvZ inherently favors the T, im pretty sure Flash will roll Shine if he does reach the finals
cw)minsean(ru
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