EPTTime for him to shine - Page 11
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Weaponx3
Canada232 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 07 2010 08:10 Weaponx3 wrote: People always seem to forget the better player doesnt always win, they are the favorite because the odds are in their favor but nothing is guaranteed or certain that is why we watch the game. With this in mind for some reason i have a feeling shine will win like all the hate for shine and all the praise we have for flash will just result in unbelievable series should they meet in the end. In my honest opnion i think shine can beat flash in the osl finals should they meet his last game was sloppy but he did have great multi tasking and spell casting was spot on. As well as being creative. In a Bo5 the better player almost always wins. Shine's ZvT is lacking, this is undeniable. Flash is now playing FvZ... Yea advantage to Flash. Shine's late game is horrible | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
On January 07 2010 08:45 Day[9] wrote: I enjoy shine's ZvZ not so hot on his other matchups though nah well ok u might be right, his zvz is pretty good. But hes nothing special in the other mus i can agree on that. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 07 2010 08:53 NiGoL wrote: nah well ok u might be right, his zvz is pretty good. But hes nothing special in the other mus i can agree on that. Actualyl his ZvP IS impressive as well. He just needs to work on his ZvT, but who cares? Weren't there appreciated players with 1 poor MU compared to other? Like for example... FBH TvP? Jangbi PvZ? Movie's PvT - hahaha his PvT is actually sooo lacking that it's funny ;p (or even Flash's TvZ was lacking for some time compared to his other MUs, but it's kinda bad example) | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On January 19 2009 20:36 Guybrush wrote: I agree, hes not bad. Not next Jaedong. but maybe one of the top 10 zergs if he keeps performing. I still stand by this, one year later. Shines ZvP is exciting. Yarnc and Type-Bs ZvT are exciting. Hogil and by.heros ZvP are exciting. But they have weaknesses in the other matchups which are going to hold them back from entering top 3-5. Luxury and Calm were both well established in every MU, and the clear #2 Zerg when they won their MSL titles last year. Effort and Zero are now looking like them, but they are not in any SLs, and they may not even win any SLs this year. Shine is exciting, and pretty damn skilled in ZvP. I do hope he crushes Movie in an entertaining fashion. He will have to up his ZvT to take games from Flash in the final though. What Im worried about is new Protoss players. Imo the only two notable ones breaking through in 2009 were Violet and Movie, as opposed to 2008 when Kal, Jangbi, and BeSt all established themselves as A class players. Same can be said for Terran I guess with Skyhigh(whom is rapidly declining these days) and Really, but neither of these made it deep in any SLs all 2009, as opposed to 2008 when Leta, Fantasy, and fOrGG established themselves as A class players, the latter one declining to B-class in 2009. | ||
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timmeh
Austria177 Posts
On January 07 2010 09:53 Guybrush wrote: I still stand by this, one year later. Shines ZvP is exciting. Yarnc and Type-Bs ZvT are exciting. Hogil and by.heros ZvP are exciting. But they have weaknesses in the other matchups which are going to hold them back from entering top 3-5. Luxury and Calm were both well established in every MU, and the clear #2 Zerg when they won their MSL titles last year. Effort and Zero are now looking like them, but they are not in any SLs, and they may not even win any SLs this year. Shine is exciting, and pretty damn skilled in ZvP. I do hope he crushes Movie in an entertaining fashion. He will have to up his ZvT to take games from Flash in the final though. What Im worried about is new Protoss players. Imo the only two notable ones breaking through in 2009 were Violet and Movie, as opposed to 2008 when Kal, Jangbi, and BeSt all established themselves as A class players. Same can be said for Terran I guess with Skyhigh(whom is rapidly declining these days) and Really, but neither of these made it deep in any SLs all 2009, as opposed to 2008 when Leta, Fantasy, and fOrGG established themselves as A class players, the latter one declining to B-class in 2009. Well, one cannot have breakthrough players every year. Kal is still performing just fine in my opinion. And even though Protoss players are not at the very top right now, overall in terms of racial representation, they are doing alright. Pity Bisu kinda crashed and burned (for his standards anyway) | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
Since the chaotic era started that has not been any bonjwas. While I would say that Bisu, Flash and JaeDong can be called bonjwas, it is more of a shared title between the 3. Since then the era where random players like Mind, Luxury, and forGG winning starleagues by beating favorites began. These guys win perform well in a starleague and immediately after that fall into a huge slump and never again come back. Shine is gonna be one of those guys! The 1 hit wonder who defeated favorites like Bisu and Stork and then go on to slump like shit for the rest of his career. I have given up on bonjwas. Everytime a player wins a starleague for the first time or cause a huge upset ppl always think they are gonna be the next big thing but what they don't realize is that, these players lack consistency and together with a map pool that favors Z over P, players like shine are born. While I would say that his ZvP and ZvZ is not that bad, I would say his ZvT sucks and there is no way in hell he will beat Flash should he get past Movie. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 07 2010 10:20 G3nXsiS wrote: What ppl like you(the OP) don't realize is that the time of bonjwas is over!!!!!! OVER!!! O V E R! Since the chaotic era started that has not been any bonjwas. While I would say that Bisu, Flash and JaeDong can be called bonjwas, it is more of a shared title between the 3. Since then the era where random players like Mind, Luxury, and forGG winning starleagues by beating favorites began. These guys win perform well in a starleague and immediately after that fall into a huge slump and never again come back. Shine is gonna be one of those guys! The 1 hit wonder who defeated favorites like Bisu and Stork and then go on to slump like shit for the rest of his career. I have given up on bonjwas. Everytime a player wins a starleague for the first time or cause a huge upset ppl always think they are gonna be the next big thing but what they don't realize is that, these players lack consistency and together with a map pool that favors Z over P, players like shine are born. While I would say that his ZvP and ZvZ is not that bad, I would say his ZvT sucks and there is no way in hell he will beat Flash should he get past Movie. I don't know about that Bonjwa part. Flash is playing like an absolute beast as of late. Nothing seems to be able to even dent him as he destroys everything in his path. As for Shine, he's good at making units, but his late game is questionable. But we'll see if he can pick it up when it counts. | ||
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timmeh
Austria177 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
NOT TO DERAIL THE THREAD!!! Shine hasn't shown the level of play for people to accept his standards yet. He's just been getting ZvP and anybody can have a lucky run and go into the OSL semi's (backho). Once Shine has shown that he's an A-class then im sure the forum will have his fanboys. and Shine isn't "great" at ZvZ. you cant be amazing at ZvZ since theres always the coinflip element to it rather than the other MU's. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 07 2010 07:42 Nevuk wrote: Remember when Oov was performing in tvz similar to the level at which Flash is currently playing? In fact, it would be possible to say he was playing better comparatively than Flash is. (28-0, 17-0, whatever. It's pretty close though.) July broke that streak. An aggressive, over the top zerg player. Except that Oov and Flash have completely differing styles when it comes to their TvZ. Flash himself plays a VERY VERY aggressive TvZ now. Counter aggression isn't going to work well against Flash seeing as how he seems to defend flawlessly with almost no units while an army goes forth and kills the Zerg's natural. Calm got the mutalisk timing right to SOMEWHAT deflect that but he still lost 1-3 even with that build. Calm has better mutalisks than Shine typically... | ||
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ItsBigfoot
United States432 Posts
in his last 10 games he's won more zvts than zvps | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 07 2010 08:52 Jayme wrote: In a Bo5 the better player almost always wins. Shine's ZvT is lacking, this is undeniable. Flash is now playing FvZ... Yea advantage to Flash. Shine's late game is horrible Shine's ZvT isn't nearly as lacking as I think you are thinking. As I've been saying repeatedly, his early-midgame is the best among any Zerg player right now. And as was stated in the OSL news article, he's like a smarter Kwanro. And we both know how the last bo3 went between Flash and Kwanro. In this sense, Shine is both the best and worst possible for trying to take down Flash. He's the best because Flash only seems to lose if his opponent can defeat him in the early game. He's the worst because Flash should be aware of this weakness and all he needs to do is to break Shine's offense and Shine will inevitably lose. But, the reason why Shine's late game is "horrible" is because he focuses everything on offense. If you can succeed in defending you will win. For Shine, the game is won or lost in the first 10 minutes every time. On January 07 2010 09:53 Guybrush wrote: Luxury and Calm were both well established in every MU, and the clear #2 Zerg when they won their MSL titles last year. Effort and Zero are now looking like them, but they are not in any SLs, and they may not even win any SLs this year. Luxury was the clear #2 when he won MSL, but I think your assessment of Calm is off. Winning MSL was what proved he was #2. During that same season, Effort made some progress into all 3 leagues, cutting really deep into GOM (less important than MSL but still relevant), making third place there, beating Jaedong in a bo3 to get there. Had Calm not won MSL, I would have put Effort as the #2 Zerg at that time. On January 07 2010 10:24 Roffles wrote: I don't know about that Bonjwa part. Flash is playing like an absolute beast as of late. Nothing seems to be able to even dent him as he destroys everything in his path. In order for Flash to take the title of fifth bonjwa he needs to maintain this level of dominance for about a year, really. If he enters another slump again like he did after his last OSL win, he won't be worthy of the bonjwa title. | ||
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