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[Interviews] Sktt1 vs Hwaseung OZ 10/23/09

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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 03:43:35
October 27 2009 22:47 GMT
#1
(Z)Hyuk: "I decided that if it went to a Mutalisk battle, I would win."

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-How do you feel about winning against (Z)Jaedong?
▲I feel much happier than I usually am when I win. I've heard that I only beat him during the finals because I got lucky with a favorable build order. This time, I won while doing the same build as (Z)Jaedong and winning in a (micro and macro)management battle.

-You seem to be in good spirits lately.
▲Lately, it feels like even time spent sleeping is wasted time. I've even been cutting down on my sleeping time so that I can practice more, especially before I played against (P)Stork and (Z)Jaedong. I feel that if my gameplay doesn't match up to my own high standards, then I need to practice more. Although I didn't practice one build, I felt that if we got to a mutalisk battle, then I definitely wouldn't lose.

-You didn't lose your first battle.
▲Although I didn't have an advantage, I was used to fighting after taking my natural. I used what I thought was the best strategy: attacking after using up all my resources.

-Do you have any words you'd like to say?
▲(Z)s2 really helped me a lot. I prepared a lot and took a lot of time in deciding my build order, so I want to thank my coach. I feel like it's not just my own win, but a win for all of us.

+ Show Spoiler [source] +
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=100279&db=interview&page=2&field=&kwrd=





(P)Bisu: "I thought that this was the time to use a strategy-based build".


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-How do you feel about winning?
▲I feel like it's been a really long time since I've played a game and since I've won. I considered trying to win with a macromanagement style game, but I decided that I want to grab everyone's attention with a strategical build and thankfully, I won.

-You were thrown off by an early harass.
▲Normally to prevent a harass, you are supposed to either put down a pylon or place a probe properly, but since it was a televised game, I mistimed it and didn't block it in time. Although he was successful at placing a pylon, my dragoon came out first and since my opponent's cybernetics core was late, I felt that it wasn't so bad.

-Did you prepare a specific strategy for your relatively new opponent?
▲I thought long and hard about this. As I sat down in the gaming booth, I was still considering if I should play a macro game. Since we were up 2:0 anyway, I figured that whatever happened, we would still be okay and so I went for strategy based on timing. Coach Kwon also thought that going for strategical play would be a good move as well.

-There are players that have 5 wins already.
▲I don't think that 2 wins is that big of a difference. The finals is very far away and there is still the winner's league so the beginning isn't that important in my opinion. I think that the most important period starts after the third round.

-Lately, the advances in zerg strategy have been stunning.
▲I've thought many times lately that playing zerg is cheating. Although it is a hard race to master, personally, I still think that it is the easiest race to play against. However, Zerg players have been preparing very well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.

-Your sunbae, (T)BoxeR, just won in a spectacular manner.
▲I've heard many people say that he started preparing for a nuke in a situation where he wasn't at an advantage. I think that he succeeded wonderfully and his example makes me consider staying a progamer, even when I become 30 years old as well. Due to his hard work, (T)BoxeR was able to make it into the lineup but I think that he has become a player that will be able to play televised games whenever and always be immaculately prepared.

-Any last words?
▲I will definitely win against CJ.


+ Show Spoiler [source] +
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=100280&db=interview&page=2&field=&kwrd=



Boxer's Interview here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104426

Does anyone want his interview straight from the original Korean? This guy did it from a Chinese translation iirc and it's pretty good, but I thought I'd ask. I won't be able to get to it for a few hours though, I have work soon.
Sullifam
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
October 27 2009 22:48 GMT
#2

-You seem to be in good spirits lately.
▲Lately, it feels like even time spent sleeping is wasted time. I've even been cutting down on my sleeping time so that I can practice more, especially before I played against Stork and Jaedong. I feel that if my gameplay doesn't match up to my own high standards, then I need to practice more. Although I didn't practice one build, I felt that if we got to a mutalisk battle, then I definitely wouldn't lose.

Hyuk bonjwa gogogo
nice to see him kick some ass

i've always liked Hyuk. Good looking, fast hands ; he just needed a time to shine
cw)minsean(ru
MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 22:52:55
October 27 2009 22:52 GMT
#3

-Any last words?
▲I will definitely win against CJ.

Hell yeah Bisu!
Thanks for doing this translation!
SKT1 3-2 CJ hopefully!
Making history not reliving it.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 22:54:44
October 27 2009 22:54 GMT
#4
Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.


It took him really long to realize that

Thanks for the translations !
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
October 27 2009 22:55 GMT
#5
-Lately, the advances in zerg strategy have been stunning.
▲I've thought many times lately that playing zerg is cheating. Although it is a hard race to master, personally, I think that it is the easier race to play. Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.

Picking Zerg is cheating, its the easy race
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
October 27 2009 22:56 GMT
#6
BOXERRRRRRR

been waiting for this, thanks!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
October 27 2009 22:57 GMT
#7
On October 28 2009 07:55 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
-Lately, the advances in zerg strategy have been stunning.
▲I've thought many times lately that playing zerg is cheating. Although it is a hard race to master, personally, I think that it is the easier race to play. Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.

Picking Zerg is cheating, its the easy race


zerg is the new 1sz2sz3sz
Sullifam
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
October 27 2009 22:57 GMT
#8
On October 28 2009 07:54 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.


It took him really long to realize that

Thanks for the translations !


yeah.. bassicially since.. GOM S4?? Bisu.. why couldn't you win EVER 07 ? It would have changed everything. JD had no chance back then in a PvZ of your calibre..
Bisu... ;-(
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
October 27 2009 23:01 GMT
#9
On October 28 2009 07:54 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.


It took him really long to realize that

Thanks for the translations !

Exactly.

Would like to see what he does.
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 23:09:25
October 27 2009 23:06 GMT
#10
Don't cut down sleep - it's pretty frick'n important!

Good to see Bisu trying to develop another style. I wish him luck - ZvP hasn't been as enjoyable to watch lately.

Edit: Thanks for the translation. Also, the 'headlines' to an interview doesn't seem to be drawn from the Q&A - are they part of what the gamer said? If so - I'm glad, Hyuk is pretty confident!!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
October 27 2009 23:12 GMT
#11
On October 28 2009 07:57 SkytoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 07:54 disciple wrote:
Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.


It took him really long to realize that

Thanks for the translations !


yeah.. bassicially since.. GOM S4?? Bisu.. why couldn't you win EVER 07 ? It would have changed everything. JD had no chance back then in a PvZ of your calibre..

rumors were that he had a flu and couldnt prepare for his match against Stork. He took quite a beating that match so I guess there was indeed something wrong with his condition, but still I agree that was the OSL he was meant to win
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
October 27 2009 23:13 GMT
#12
Bisu needs to play Hyuk more often.
지지이이이이이이이이이이이
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
October 27 2009 23:15 GMT
#13
On October 28 2009 07:55 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
-Lately, the advances in zerg strategy have been stunning.
▲I've thought many times lately that playing zerg is cheating. Although it is a hard race to master, personally, I think that it is the easier race to play. Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.

Picking Zerg is cheating, its the easy race

hahaha ! zerg 1a2a3a

thanks for translations
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
October 27 2009 23:19 GMT
#14
Thanks for the translation, my first time hearing that there will be another winner's league, awesome ^^
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
October 27 2009 23:21 GMT
#15
I'm glad to hear that Bisu has been thinking about switching up his strategy, I can't wait to see a counter to 5 hatch hydra!
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
MooCow
Profile Joined September 2008
1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 23:26:28
October 27 2009 23:24 GMT
#16
On October 28 2009 08:06 Zona wrote:
-
Edit: Thanks for the translation. Also, the 'headlines' to an interview doesn't seem to be drawn from the Q&A - are they part of what the gamer said? If so - I'm glad, Hyuk is pretty confident!!

Hm? Yea it is, for the Hyuk interview the last line of the 2nd question you'll see the quote.
It isn't the exact wording but it's the same
Making history not reliving it.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
October 27 2009 23:27 GMT
#17
Hell yea, can't wait for the revolutionist to brew up a new revolution!

Also, who is Coach Kwon??
Writerptrk
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
October 27 2009 23:32 GMT
#18
I like how every progamer's last words in an interview are thanking others except for Bisu.
( ・´ー・`)
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
October 27 2009 23:38 GMT
#19
On October 28 2009 08:19 jello_biafra wrote:
Thanks for the translation, my first time hearing that there will be another winner's league, awesome ^^


What I understand is that they are going to do a similar schedule to last season; so two rounds then one round of winner's league, then another two rounds, and finally the playoffs.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
October 27 2009 23:43 GMT
#20
On October 28 2009 08:32 prototype. wrote:
I like how every progamer's last words in an interview are thanking others except for Bisu.

thats how ballers roll
cw)minsean(ru
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 27 2009 23:53 GMT
#21
On October 28 2009 08:27 ArvickHero wrote:
Hell yea, can't wait for the revolutionist to brew up a new revolution!

Also, who is Coach Kwon??

Probably Doctor.K, the protoss coach at T1.
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-27 23:59:46
October 27 2009 23:58 GMT
#22
On October 28 2009 07:57 ghostWriter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 07:55 Sentenal wrote:
-Lately, the advances in zerg strategy have been stunning.
▲I've thought many times lately that playing zerg is cheating. Although it is a hard race to master, personally, I think that it is the easier race to play. Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.

Picking Zerg is cheating, its the easy race


zerg is the new 1sz2sz3sz


Lol, i recently won a 24 minute game against a D+ toss with just scourge and lings XP.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
October 28 2009 00:01 GMT
#23
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
October 28 2009 00:11 GMT
#24
Zerg 4sz5sz6sz1a2a3a
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 28 2009 00:17 GMT
#25
On October 28 2009 08:58 lone_hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 07:57 ghostWriter wrote:
On October 28 2009 07:55 Sentenal wrote:
-Lately, the advances in zerg strategy have been stunning.
▲I've thought many times lately that playing zerg is cheating. Although it is a hard race to master, personally, I think that it is the easier race to play. Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.

Picking Zerg is cheating, its the easy race


zerg is the new 1sz2sz3sz


Lol, i recently won a 24 minute game against a D+ toss with just scourge and lings XP.


ling all in here! had to attack twice cause he held too well first time...
he told me to fuck off and kill myself.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
October 28 2009 00:17 GMT
#26
--- Nuked ---
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 00:25:53
October 28 2009 00:25 GMT
#27
On October 28 2009 07:47 ghostWriter wrote:
▲I feel that if my gameplay doesn't match up to my own high standards, then I need to practice more. Although I didn't practice one build, I felt that if we got to a mutalisk battle, then I definitely would lose.

Fixed! fixed for the next 10 time they meet again
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
October 28 2009 00:56 GMT
#28
So, Bisu says he will definitely beat (P)Snow.

[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
October 28 2009 01:11 GMT
#29
LOL bisu talkin shit about toss.

gg.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
gnr9292
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 01:21:02
October 28 2009 01:19 GMT
#30
wrong translation bisu didn't say zerg is the easiest race to play he said
그래도 개인적으로는 세 종족 중에 가장 할 만한 것이 저그전이다.
he said "personally I think zerg is the easiest race to play against"

kind of odd since he lost to shine recently but is still doing good against toss and terran
julealgon
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil120 Posts
October 28 2009 01:28 GMT
#31
I wonder if the naysayers will ever stop bashing the use of nukes, now that both Boxer and Bisu stated it was not a humiliation factor at all, but a very well planned strategy.

I predict in a few months every terran will start adapting nukes onto their builds.
(You first heard it here folks )
Here is hoping God implements save/load in the next version of life
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 28 2009 01:34 GMT
#32
On October 28 2009 08:12 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 07:57 SkytoM wrote:
On October 28 2009 07:54 disciple wrote:
Zerg players have been preparing so well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it.


It took him really long to realize that

Thanks for the translations !


yeah.. bassicially since.. GOM S4?? Bisu.. why couldn't you win EVER 07 ? It would have changed everything. JD had no chance back then in a PvZ of your calibre..

rumors were that he had a flu and couldnt prepare for his match against Stork. He took quite a beating that match so I guess there was indeed something wrong with his condition, but still I agree that was the OSL he was meant to win


In my opinion, this is the biggest thing that separates JD from Bisu and Flash. Not skill, but the fact that JD just does a much better job keeping it together. Bisu seems to fall apart with injuries (the wrist problem, getting the flu, etc). Where's that pic of ninja Bisu? Flash is stunning when he sticks to his mechanical game, but when he starts experimenting he seems to really take it on the chin.

But this is also why I just can't think of JD as bonjwa. He really needs to seperate himself and prove that his skill is on a higher level. It's okay for a bonjwa to have rivals, but he most pull the rug out from under them in the end. So far JD has a winning record over Flash, but he's dead even with Bisu (losing the last 2 meetings) and has a new rivalry emerging with Fantasy (currently a 7-6 lead). A bonjwa should be undisputed.

Actually, I was thinking about talking this in a blog I might write about (with the focus on how Proleague has changed the face of the game -- why the increased emphasis on Proleague might mean that we never see a "true" bonjwa again).
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
October 28 2009 01:39 GMT
#33
"Zerg players have been preparing very well for me lately, so I think it's time to change my style. I am working on it."

Bisu Build 2.0 :D
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
October 28 2009 01:53 GMT
#34
On October 28 2009 10:19 gnr9292 wrote:
wrong translation bisu didn't say zerg is the easiest race to play he said
그래도 개인적으로는 세 종족 중에 가장 할 만한 것이 저그전이다.
he said "personally I think zerg is the easiest race to play against"

kind of odd since he lost to shine recently but is still doing good against toss and terran

Seriously? OP better fix it then.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 28 2009 01:57 GMT
#35
hyuk's muta/scourge micro vs jaedong was amazing.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
October 28 2009 02:09 GMT
#36
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Bisu at this point. Arrogant comment after arrogant comment... its just mind blowing. I do not see how he is a hero for Protoss anymore. Nal_rA, Reach and Kingdom were not arrogant, and Stork gives honest,personal interviews without being arrogant. Fine, maybe one map is EXTREMELY imbalanced, and thats what you think, fine, but to evem think zerg players are cheating is unnacceptable, in my opinion. Same goes for the people that seriously think "Protoss 1a2a3a" and "Terran FE > 3/3 tanks."

However, I have gained lots of respect for Hyuk. Go Hyuk!
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
October 28 2009 02:18 GMT
#37
Zerg- 1a2a3a4a drag amove drag amove drag amove drag amove think about microing but instead continue to drag amove drag amove
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
October 28 2009 02:18 GMT
#38
Considering the maps, yea Zerg is the easy race.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
FallingTeardrops
Profile Joined October 2009
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 02:28:16
October 28 2009 02:27 GMT
#39
On October 28 2009 11:09 Sharp-eYe wrote:
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Bisu at this point. Arrogant comment after arrogant comment... its just mind blowing. I do not see how he is a hero for Protoss anymore. Nal_rA, Reach and Kingdom were not arrogant, and Stork gives honest,personal interviews without being arrogant. Fine, maybe one map is EXTREMELY imbalanced, and thats what you think, fine, but to evem think zerg players are cheating is unnacceptable, in my opinion. Same goes for the people that seriously think "Protoss 1a2a3a" and "Terran FE > 3/3 tanks."

However, I have gained lots of respect for Hyuk. Go Hyuk!


Stfu, when you can win 3-0 versus one of the best ZvPers of all time, you can start talking smack to the Revolutionist.

Until then, you're just another person posting on a forum.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
October 28 2009 02:28 GMT
#40
On October 28 2009 11:09 Sharp-eYe wrote:
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Bisu at this point. Arrogant comment after arrogant comment... its just mind blowing. I do not see how he is a hero for Protoss anymore. Nal_rA, Reach and Kingdom were not arrogant, and Stork gives honest,personal interviews without being arrogant. Fine, maybe one map is EXTREMELY imbalanced, and thats what you think, fine, but to evem think zerg players are cheating is unnacceptable, in my opinion. Same goes for the people that seriously think "Protoss 1a2a3a" and "Terran FE > 3/3 tanks."

However, I have gained lots of respect for Hyuk. Go Hyuk!

Kinda stupid, he's just saying that as a comparison to how hard it has gotten to play against Zerg. He's just stating his honest opinion about the match-up. Also note the correction that he said Zerg is the easiest to play against for him, not easiest to play.

I have a suspicion that its because it came from Bisu you find it arrogant, and if any other Protoss said that you wouldn't find it as arrogant.
Writerptrk
dmetheny
Profile Joined July 2008
United States146 Posts
October 28 2009 02:36 GMT
#41
*Bisu places hist first pylon*
BISU BUILD 2.0!!!
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
October 28 2009 02:39 GMT
#42
I read the translation was wrong. My bad. And yes, it might be true, just because it was from Bisu, I may have found this more arrogant than it was. Its like when George W. Bush says something, people just make fun of it, just because it came from him.

And @FallingTearDrops: my bad, I read the translation was wrong. relax. And for the record, every player has anti-fans. even BoxeR for triple bunker-rushing YellOw. Even for Reach, and I just said I lost respect at this point. Did I say anything about him beating sAviOr?
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 28 2009 02:59 GMT
#43
On October 28 2009 11:27 FallingTeardrops wrote:
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On October 28 2009 11:09 Sharp-eYe wrote:
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Bisu at this point. Arrogant comment after arrogant comment... its just mind blowing. I do not see how he is a hero for Protoss anymore. Nal_rA, Reach and Kingdom were not arrogant, and Stork gives honest,personal interviews without being arrogant. Fine, maybe one map is EXTREMELY imbalanced, and thats what you think, fine, but to evem think zerg players are cheating is unnacceptable, in my opinion. Same goes for the people that seriously think "Protoss 1a2a3a" and "Terran FE > 3/3 tanks."

However, I have gained lots of respect for Hyuk. Go Hyuk!


Stfu, when you can win 3-0 versus one of the best ZvPers of all time, you can start talking smack to the Revolutionist.

Until then, you're just another person posting on a forum.


*THE* best ZvPer of all time at his height. Highest ever ZvP ELO but quite a margin, 88% ZvP win record in the 12 months before Bisu took him down, having not lost a single bo3 or bo5 vs Protoss since August of 2004 (and he faced Bisu in March of 2007). In fact he had only lost two bo3's in his career at that point (to Pusan 1-2 in 2004 and to Giyom 1-2 in 2003) and had not ever lost a bo5. Scary.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
October 28 2009 03:21 GMT
#44
On October 28 2009 11:59 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 11:27 FallingTeardrops wrote:
On October 28 2009 11:09 Sharp-eYe wrote:
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Bisu at this point. Arrogant comment after arrogant comment... its just mind blowing. I do not see how he is a hero for Protoss anymore. Nal_rA, Reach and Kingdom were not arrogant, and Stork gives honest,personal interviews without being arrogant. Fine, maybe one map is EXTREMELY imbalanced, and thats what you think, fine, but to evem think zerg players are cheating is unnacceptable, in my opinion. Same goes for the people that seriously think "Protoss 1a2a3a" and "Terran FE > 3/3 tanks."

However, I have gained lots of respect for Hyuk. Go Hyuk!


Stfu, when you can win 3-0 versus one of the best ZvPers of all time, you can start talking smack to the Revolutionist.

Until then, you're just another person posting on a forum.


*THE* best ZvPer of all time at his height. Highest ever ZvP ELO but quite a margin, 88% ZvP win record in the 12 months before Bisu took him down, having not lost a single bo3 or bo5 vs Protoss since August of 2004 (and he faced Bisu in March of 2007). In fact he had only lost two bo3's in his career at that point (to Pusan 1-2 in 2004 and to Giyom 1-2 in 2003) and had not ever lost a bo5. Scary.


Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL or OSL final.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 28 2009 03:31 GMT
#45
On October 28 2009 12:21 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 11:59 Mortality wrote:
On October 28 2009 11:27 FallingTeardrops wrote:
On October 28 2009 11:09 Sharp-eYe wrote:
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Bisu at this point. Arrogant comment after arrogant comment... its just mind blowing. I do not see how he is a hero for Protoss anymore. Nal_rA, Reach and Kingdom were not arrogant, and Stork gives honest,personal interviews without being arrogant. Fine, maybe one map is EXTREMELY imbalanced, and thats what you think, fine, but to evem think zerg players are cheating is unnacceptable, in my opinion. Same goes for the people that seriously think "Protoss 1a2a3a" and "Terran FE > 3/3 tanks."

However, I have gained lots of respect for Hyuk. Go Hyuk!


Stfu, when you can win 3-0 versus one of the best ZvPers of all time, you can start talking smack to the Revolutionist.

Until then, you're just another person posting on a forum.


*THE* best ZvPer of all time at his height. Highest ever ZvP ELO but quite a margin, 88% ZvP win record in the 12 months before Bisu took him down, having not lost a single bo3 or bo5 vs Protoss since August of 2004 (and he faced Bisu in March of 2007). In fact he had only lost two bo3's in his career at that point (to Pusan 1-2 in 2004 and to Giyom 1-2 in 2003) and had not ever lost a bo5. Scary.


Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL or OSL final.


where did you get that stat?
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 28 2009 03:33 GMT
#46
On October 28 2009 12:21 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 11:59 Mortality wrote:
On October 28 2009 11:27 FallingTeardrops wrote:
On October 28 2009 11:09 Sharp-eYe wrote:
I have honestly lost a lot of respect for Bisu at this point. Arrogant comment after arrogant comment... its just mind blowing. I do not see how he is a hero for Protoss anymore. Nal_rA, Reach and Kingdom were not arrogant, and Stork gives honest,personal interviews without being arrogant. Fine, maybe one map is EXTREMELY imbalanced, and thats what you think, fine, but to evem think zerg players are cheating is unnacceptable, in my opinion. Same goes for the people that seriously think "Protoss 1a2a3a" and "Terran FE > 3/3 tanks."

However, I have gained lots of respect for Hyuk. Go Hyuk!


Stfu, when you can win 3-0 versus one of the best ZvPers of all time, you can start talking smack to the Revolutionist.

Until then, you're just another person posting on a forum.


*THE* best ZvPer of all time at his height. Highest ever ZvP ELO but quite a margin, 88% ZvP win record in the 12 months before Bisu took him down, having not lost a single bo3 or bo5 vs Protoss since August of 2004 (and he faced Bisu in March of 2007). In fact he had only lost two bo3's in his career at that point (to Pusan 1-2 in 2004 and to Giyom 1-2 in 2003) and had not ever lost a bo5. Scary.


Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL or OSL final.


FALSE. Giyom defeated H.O.T-Forever, one of the best ZvPers ever, in the 2000 Hanaro Tongshin OSL.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 28 2009 03:34 GMT
#47
garimto also beat skelton
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
October 28 2009 03:35 GMT
#48
Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL final.
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
October 28 2009 03:39 GMT
#49
lol bisu hate

mad props to him for being honest and actually saying interesting things in interviews
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 28 2009 03:39 GMT
#50
On October 28 2009 12:35 abakben wrote:
Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL final.


Relevance? Winning a PvZ final in OSL is no easier than winning a PvZ final in MSL.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
October 28 2009 03:43 GMT
#51
On October 28 2009 12:39 Mortality wrote:
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On October 28 2009 12:35 abakben wrote:
Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL final.


Relevance? Winning a PvZ final in OSL is no easier than winning a PvZ final in MSL.

What is your problem? I just corrected the above statement. Also winning a PvZ final against the one of the greatest ZvP er (savior was on top of his game at that time} is definitely more difficult.
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 03:50:50
October 28 2009 03:45 GMT
#52
On October 28 2009 10:19 gnr9292 wrote:
wrong translation bisu didn't say zerg is the easiest race to play he said
그래도 개인적으로는 세 종족 중에 가장 할 만한 것이 저그전이다.
he said "personally I think zerg is the easiest race to play against"

kind of odd since he lost to shine recently but is still doing good against toss and terran


O shit thanks dude. I'm kinda sick right now and I had no sleep last night so my condition isn't exactly perfect. I thought he said 저그이다 instead of 저그전이다 -_- Thanks for the correction.
Sullifam
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
October 28 2009 03:49 GMT
#53
On October 28 2009 12:43 abakben wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 12:39 Mortality wrote:
On October 28 2009 12:35 abakben wrote:
Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL final.


Relevance? Winning a PvZ final in OSL is no easier than winning a PvZ final in MSL.

What is your problem? I just corrected the above statement. Also winning a PvZ final against the one of the greatest ZvP er (savior was on top of his game at that time} is definitely more difficult.

and for those who say that Savior was on the decline, Savior went on a monstrous ZvP rampage up until facing Bisu again in EVER 07 (which he very nearly won), where he hit a new ZvP ELO peak and dropped only 3 games in that time span
Writerptrk
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
October 28 2009 04:00 GMT
#54
How about:

In the 9 most developed, stable, and balanced years of professional StarCraft, Bisu is the only player to have won a MSL/OSL PvZ finals out of 8 PvZ finals that took place during these 9 years.
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lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-28 04:05:58
October 28 2009 04:04 GMT
#55
OK, I hate it when angry fans say "don't diss a player unless you can beat them" or "he can still own you so stfu." as an argument. We as fans have the right to criticize or critique and compare the players since we constantly spend so much time following them. It's hard to explain but it's like defending vista by telling everyone who hates it, "can u make a better OS? So stfu" Or defending Obama or Bush against critics by saying "Can you be a better president?" Okay maybe not Bush.

This same principle applies to all sports. Just because we aren't as good as them does not mean we lack the capability to compare their skills with their competition. Do you think the coaches of teams are better than the players? Of course not, then why can they decide who sucks and gets cut or who does not play?

Edit: A bit off topic but some ppl were arguing like that a few posts up.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
October 28 2009 04:05 GMT
#56
On October 28 2009 12:43 abakben wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 12:39 Mortality wrote:
On October 28 2009 12:35 abakben wrote:
Bisu is also the only Protoss to defeat a Zerg in an MSL final.


Relevance? Winning a PvZ final in OSL is no easier than winning a PvZ final in MSL.

What is your problem? I just corrected the above statement. Also winning a PvZ final against the one of the greatest ZvP er (savior was on top of his game at that time} is definitely more difficult.


If you were just amending his statement, then did you need to write it in bold face like this?

And I've already mentioned the significance of winning over Savior (the BEST ZvPer ever). But don't think that gives him creedance over Giyom or Garimto.

Garimto used to win more than 60% vs Zerg in a time when there was no Proleague, only individual league, and he was constantly being pitted against the very best of his day in 16 man tournament after 16 man tournament.

Giyom beat one of the best ZvPers of all time in his OSL win (H.O.T-Forever) and then best another one of the best ZvPers of all time ([B&G]TheBoy) in his OGN King of Kings win. And if that isn't enough for you, he had already beaten beaten TheBoy before.

Giyom might well be the greatest Protoss player EVER. In a 6 month period he won 75000 dollars in prize money from Starcraft. Sadly, professional gaming had not organized back then and many of his major wins are not in TLPD.



When it comes to the greatest names in Protoss, Giyom and Garimto are right up there next to Bisu and Ra. Don't doubt that for a second.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
October 28 2009 04:18 GMT
#57
Awesome, thanks a lot for this!
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
bluegoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States141 Posts
October 28 2009 08:30 GMT
#58
"When it comes to the greatest names in Protoss, Giyom and Garimto are right up there next to Bisu and Ra. Don't doubt that for a second."

no one said this wasnt true.


also bisu fighting. arrogance is the way to go.
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fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
October 28 2009 08:57 GMT
#59
since im here.. i cannot leave the thread without saying... bisu bisu bisu whatever bisu...

carry on guys!
bisu fanboy
ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
October 28 2009 09:17 GMT
#60
Bisu gives the best interviews.
I can't wait to read his interview for his match against CJ.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 28 2009 09:22 GMT
#61
On October 28 2009 09:17 Jumperer wrote:
You heard it here from the man himself. Zerg is the ez race.


Reach is the protoss man.
sAviOr...
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
October 28 2009 17:28 GMT
#62
Nice, love the confidence and work hyuk is putting in - I Really hope everybody will stop giving him crap from now on, he's far past deserving it
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Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
October 28 2009 18:00 GMT
#63
thanks so much for this keep them comming
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Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
October 28 2009 19:00 GMT
#64
On October 28 2009 08:13 Triple7 wrote:
Bisu needs to play Hyuk more often.


It's because of Hyuk that Bisu fears the swarm.
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