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MrHoon
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D: I still love you claz
But hacking still is a gay move
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On August 31 2009 13:17 Masamune wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 13:11 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 12:57 Purind wrote:On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote:On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote:
I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have.
I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way. It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing. So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't. It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do. That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked. Clazz  Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family. Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that. EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different. And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against Let me summarize my point I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught. So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught. That's actually dependent on the person and shows why you don't seem to a have a grasp of reality. Everyone has their own moral standard. Everyone has a different perspective on what doing something wrong means and how bad they will feel about it to confess their doings. Some people feel very guilty about cheating in tournaments, where people have trained long and hard for, and therefore don't do it. Just like some people feel bad about killing people and don't do it. Others may not feel as bad and will cheat in tournaments because "it's just a game" or kill people because "they deserved it".
There are extremes to both sides, don't you see i made the word "MOST" in caps? If you can think of times where kids go up to teachers after they've cheated on a test, you prove my generalization of human behavior on this aspect as incorrect. Also, you have no idea on my grasp of reality, especially after MISREADING my posts SEVERAL TIMES, please keep that out of the convo...
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On August 31 2009 13:11 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 12:57 Purind wrote:On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote:On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote:
I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have.
I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way. It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing. So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't. It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do. That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked. Clazz Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family. Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that. EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different. And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against Let me summarize my point I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught. So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
Okay, let me take another shot at this. Your post bounces from one idea to the other but you try to relate them which confuses me. No one is disagreeing with you that people confess only after they are suspected or caught. Clazz was "caught" (you can argue that it was suspected, but DNA fingerprinting isn't 100% accurate either, so you could also argue that it's only suspected and people try to use this as a defense) so what are you on about?
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On August 31 2009 13:20 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 13:17 Masamune wrote:On August 31 2009 13:11 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 12:57 Purind wrote:On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote:On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote:
I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have.
I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way. It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing. So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't. It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do. That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked. Clazz Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family. Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that. EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different. And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against Let me summarize my point I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught. So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught. That's actually dependent on the person and shows why you don't seem to a have a grasp of reality. Everyone has their own moral standard. Everyone has a different perspective on what doing something wrong means and how bad they will feel about it to confess their doings. Some people feel very guilty about cheating in tournaments, where people have trained long and hard for, and therefore don't do it. Just like some people feel bad about killing people and don't do it. Others may not feel as bad and will cheat in tournaments because "it's just a game" or kill people because "they deserved it". There are extremes to both sides, don't you see i made the word "MOST" in caps? If you can think of times where kids go up to teachers after they've cheated on a test, you prove my generalization of human behavior on this aspect as incorrect.
What the hell are you getting at? Who cares about proving your generalization? I don't disagree that people only admit to hacking after being suspected or caught. You're just responding to try and defend your ego which you alluded to earlier.
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On August 31 2009 12:15 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote:
definitely not fool proof
one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house
so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program. Or maybe he is a hacker too.
This is the issue for me; how reliable is the list and what is the criteria. I find it very unsatisfactory to simply be told there are errors and they won't correct them nor be fucked to even take a look. It's the exact same lazy attitude ICCUP took with the "banning a city" debacle except in that instance people were insulting the ICCUP staff instead of cheering them. The bandwagon effect is far too overblown on TL and nobody ever seems to ask for the actual evidence or empirical proof. If it's someone you like, such as Ret, then of course he's smurfing or he's sharing accounts (of course I know Ret would not be hacking, but I'm making a point), but if it's a random guy nobody knows them BURN HIM AT THE STAKE. Then it turns out a semi-pro is ""hacking"" and suddenly it seems less likely that the method is 100% foolproof.
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A bunch of noobs caught hacking on iccup... yawn. The news I get from this is that people pay you to get B- and B? I want in on that...
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There are no libel rules on hack accusations. Suspicion is as bad as confirmation for a player. People will keep going "hey, weren't you the guy who hacked?" and even if each time it is denied other posters will keep reading it and repeating it until it becomes known 'truth'.
Once your name goes on that list you can deny it, lose any public image you may still have and either get proved a hacker and a liar or just get treated like them anyway. Or you can admit it, say you regret it and move on into rebuilding your rep. Admitting it is always the best move, even if not guilty.
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On August 31 2009 13:23 Masamune wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 13:11 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 12:57 Purind wrote:On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote:On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote:
I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have.
I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way. It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing. So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't. It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do. That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked. Clazz Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family. Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that. EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different. And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against Let me summarize my point I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught. So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught. Okay, let me take another shot at this. Your post bounces from one idea to the other but you try to relate them which confuses me. No one is disagreeing with you that people confess only after they are suspected or caught. Clazz was "caught" (you can argue that it was suspected, but DNA fingerprinting isn't 100% accurate either, so you could also argue that it's only suspected and people try to use this as a defense) so what are you on about?
Im saying that from manifesto's post earlier saying that he'd give mad respect to people who confesses of hacking BEFORE they're caught is not possible because people do not naturally feel this type of guilt in comparison to real life crimes.
Yes i agree not everything is 100% accurate, but c'mon you can't possibly compare the accuracy of DNA fingerprinting to a script written by a nerd for iccup to detect hackers, thats a joke.
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On August 31 2009 13:26 Masamune wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 13:20 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 13:17 Masamune wrote:On August 31 2009 13:11 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 12:57 Purind wrote:On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote:On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote:
I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have.
I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way. It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing. So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't. It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do. That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked. Clazz Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family. Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that. EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different. And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against Let me summarize my point I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught. So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught. That's actually dependent on the person and shows why you don't seem to a have a grasp of reality. Everyone has their own moral standard. Everyone has a different perspective on what doing something wrong means and how bad they will feel about it to confess their doings. Some people feel very guilty about cheating in tournaments, where people have trained long and hard for, and therefore don't do it. Just like some people feel bad about killing people and don't do it. Others may not feel as bad and will cheat in tournaments because "it's just a game" or kill people because "they deserved it". There are extremes to both sides, don't you see i made the word "MOST" in caps? If you can think of times where kids go up to teachers after they've cheated on a test, you prove my generalization of human behavior on this aspect as incorrect. What the hell are you getting at? Who cares about proving your generalization? I don't disagree that people only admit to hacking after being suspected or caught. You're just responding to try and defend your ego which you alluded to earlier.
:Sigh: dont' you understand that when you say that people who kill and feel no guilt is an extreme? ................................................ kk im out for today, i wont reply to your posts anymore, cuz obviously you dont seem to read things clearly enough, and depending on me to re state everything at least twice.
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It really pains me that people are saying they'd never expect mG people to be caught hacking... so disappointed, I'd never expect it too, and now everyone looks at us T.T
we didn't know
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Masamune & Gladstone, Can you guys just stop with this stupid argument. I'm not going to take sides but it seems that for the last 3 pages you both are just saying the same thing over and over.
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On August 31 2009 13:29 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 13:23 Masamune wrote:On August 31 2009 13:11 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 12:57 Purind wrote:On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote:On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote:On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote:
I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have.
I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way. It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing. So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't. It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do. That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked. Clazz Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family. Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that. EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different. And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against Let me summarize my point I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught. So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught. Okay, let me take another shot at this. Your post bounces from one idea to the other but you try to relate them which confuses me. No one is disagreeing with you that people confess only after they are suspected or caught. Clazz was "caught" (you can argue that it was suspected, but DNA fingerprinting isn't 100% accurate either, so you could also argue that it's only suspected and people try to use this as a defense) so what are you on about? Im saying that from manifesto's post earlier saying that he'd give mad respect to people who confesses of hacking BEFORE they're caught is not possible because people do not naturally feel this type of guilt in comparison to real life crimes. Yes i agree not everything is 100% accurate, but c'mon you can't possibly compare the accuracy of DNA fingerprinting to a script written by a nerd for iccup to detect hackers, thats a joke.
Admitting to hacking before getting caught is possible and I'm sure it happens. Like I said, it's your opinion that it's not much of a big deal in comparison to "ruining people's lives" and that probably explains why the 2008 olympics were so scandal ridden. People in this thread already admitted that they used hacks just to try it out without being on that list, so wtf are you on about?
Anyway, UNDERSTAND that people feel a proportional guilt to what they are doing with proportional consequences. If you get caught hacking (minor) you get banned from a game and a forum (minor). If you kill someone (major) you go to jail (major). In the first instance, you feel somewhat guilty, in the second, very guilty (again, it all depends on the person, but we'll just go along with this), but because the consequences are equivalent to the action, you will probably feel the need to confess just the same. Again, there many people who don't confess to killing people just like there are people who don't confess to hacking. Then there are people who do confess (maybe to get off easier because they know they are fucked) like someone with information on a crime they participated in or people in this thread who are afraid their names will pop up in the future.
Edit: I'll stop derailing the thread further, sorry.
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Haha wow nice. They sure didn't see this one coming.
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Whoa, one of the guys I've 2v2'ed with is on the list
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ieS.Zarrr LOL
KoB)rule LOL I won against him althought he hacked lololol no wonder the game was 40mins ++ and I've defenced almost all game long
NrG.MayKa thought so T_T
St)Vasilisk - T_T
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NrG and iG hackers are funny, and Vasilisk is REALLY surprising, as is Zarrr... he was such an old player O_O
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hacking is like steroids of SC. A lot of pros are on it they just know how to cycle it properly^_^
what i mean by that is a loooot of people used it to get where they are at by working out their timing, they just never got caught(and stopped using it obv).
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