A few days ago we updated our anti-hack. It so happened that we were able to do this without a massive, publically announced update. Like ninjas, we sealthily added some hack checks and voila — a list of hackers started filing in. And so we, like a hunting tiger, started waiting for our victims. As a result we locked over 250 accounts. Also, we are presenting you the full list of hackers caught by us. Although there are some 'famous' names like imjiraya, iG.SeouL, MGMT, iG.Voltron, Much, St)Vasilisk( and evets-x17 to name a few, it mostly consists of some smurf accounts. We will be identifying real accounts of such players and reveal it to public in time.
Some of the names revealed:
imjiraya iG.SeouL MGMT iG.Voltron Much St)Vasilisk( Evets-X17 mG.LoptO
What was Much's aka? The one fact that confuses me is that the list contains Much, who would have no reason or need to hack on Iccup, though the article did mention that small 3rd party programs like apm counters still would be marked by the "check".
edit: and also, I was wondering why Iccup didn't fix the anti-hack bypass as SOON as it was announced, but I guess they're pulling a blizzard d2 purge.
On August 31 2009 09:34 ketomai wrote: What was Much's aka? The one fact that confuses me is that the list contains Much, who would have no reason or need to hack on Iccup, though the article did mention that small 3rd party programs like apm counters still would be marked by the "check".
edit: and also, I was wondering why Iccup didn't fix the anti-hack bypass as SOON as it was announced, but I guess they're pulling a blizzard d2 purge.
On August 31 2009 09:34 ketomai wrote: What was Much's aka? The one fact that confuses me is that the list contains Much, who would have no reason or need to hack on Iccup, though the article did mention that small 3rd party programs like apm counters still would be marked by the "check".
edit: and also, I was wondering why Iccup didn't fix the anti-hack bypass as SOON as it was announced, but I guess they're pulling a blizzard d2 purge.
On August 31 2009 09:34 ketomai wrote: What was Much's aka? The one fact that confuses me is that the list contains Much, who would have no reason or need to hack on Iccup, though the article did mention that small 3rd party programs like apm counters still would be marked by the "check".
edit: and also, I was wondering why Iccup didn't fix the anti-hack bypass as SOON as it was announced, but I guess they're pulling a blizzard d2 purge.
I doubt they would report a random B 2v2 player as "notable".
well I doubt it's actually Much. For one, no one knows if Much even plays on iccup (he's not in the who is who thread). Also, I'm pretty sure he's busy doing military stuff. Third, the list that was given are account names (not aka's). And last, he's a progamer.
On August 31 2009 09:39 Megalisk wrote: I'm suprised iatjls (Last Shadow) wasn't there...maybe he has changed.
You can still avoid this list due to nature of this check(very doubtful, by there is very small a chance of that), or just having no games during this weekend..
Yum yum ^_^ Interesting to see if there's anyone I know in there.
edit: And lastshadow has hacked? I thought he only did rigged maps and picks his opponents, but I was under the impression he's never been hacking or anything of the sort?
A lot of names, but 99% unknown noobs. Oh well, I guess I should be relieved not that many people hack at higher levels. Or they just hide it better. I wonder if Vasilisk hacked when I played him in highlander...
ya but, some people did probably only try it one game. and not every game. So they might were stupid once, but they didn't hack the other 99% games? right?
On August 31 2009 09:54 Mutaahh wrote: ya but, some people did probably only try it one game. and not every game. So they might were stupid once, but they didn't hack the other 99% games? right?
But why are you gonna spend your time downloading and installing the hack in the first place? Just play the game.
On August 31 2009 09:54 Mutaahh wrote: ya but, some people did probably only try it one game. and not every game. So they might were stupid once, but they didn't hack the other 99% games? right?
You never know. I also agree with some of the people online. I wish this was done for like 1 month or something and then they would catch almost every hacker on ICCup with this. Anyways, I don't think anyone will try hacking anymore or at least a very small %
On August 31 2009 09:54 Mutaahh wrote: ya but, some people did probably only try it one game. and not every game. So they might were stupid once, but they didn't hack the other 99% games? right?
You never know. I also agree with some of the people online. I wish this was done for like 1 month or something and then they would catch almost every hacker on ICCup with this. Anyways, I don't think anyone will try hacking anymore or at least a very small %
Unfortunately, iCCup made it so that hackers got logged and then disced from their game, so they realized what's up pretty fast. Word that the hack didn't work anymore got on to the hacker forums barely a couple of hours after the antihack measures were taken.
I don't think we should be accepting any excuses though.
On August 31 2009 09:58 Saracen wrote: I doubt that Clazz hacks. I mean, he plays like such a noobie against me ^___^. JK, but still... Clazzi, I believe .
Yeah Clazz is a pretty cool dude..I hope it was just a mistake.
On August 31 2009 09:54 Mutaahh wrote: ya but, some people did probably only try it one game. and not every game. So they might were stupid once, but they didn't hack the other 99% games? right?
They... would have tried that when the bypass came out. Not weeks afterwards. It'd be way too big of a coincidence for them to try it out this very weekend.
On August 31 2009 09:54 Mutaahh wrote: ya but, some people did probably only try it one game. and not every game. So they might were stupid once, but they didn't hack the other 99% games? right?
But why are you gonna spend your time downloading and installing the hack in the first place? Just play the game.
Ya because, you THINK (hehe) that they won't catch you. So why not try it for fun. Probably one last chance, before SC2 comes out, so what do you have to lose?
Yes its lame, but i belive people like that a out there, and they must feel shit now, because they hacked online a couple games. But aren't the hackers that hack all the time... well yes, they did a bad thing, so well bad for them ^^ makes waiting for the sequel even worse.
Some dude was actually beating me, he would have done even without hacks i think but he got disconnected for hacking and I was given the points He apparently didn't get the message that he was busted like I did because I asked him why I was just handed 130 points while getting my ass handed to me along with a message about him being a hacker. (NuclearFade was his ID)
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
T__T tbh I was kind of skeptical of how you kept chugging along after hitting C, because I really expected that to be your limit. I just thought maybe I underestimated your skills. T__T Come practice some TvZ with me and go get C+ without any hacks. Fresh start for a new season, eh?
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
much does play iccup and you are a hacking frenchman
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
but seriously, no one should have any reason to use this hack, even if they wanted to "try it out". As for the other people claiming they didn't use a hack, there's always a chance the iccup hack detector caught something odd (that wasn't actually the hack).
And you can't blame them, if you're using a third party program it's pretty much cheating regardless of what the program is.
Uh, that's odd because I've never hacked and would never hack but 2 of my accounts are on that list. Only reason they'd be on that list are if alt f4'ing counts as disconnecting, which as far as I know doesn't, and even then I only alt f4 after I'm on the defeat screen. RIP Cutebutterfly and DCM_Wonka.
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
it's better than saying "me no hack"
no its not cuz u he still hacked
I understand that but what I'm saying is: hacking & saying "sorry I hacked" is better than hacking & saying "I didn't hack"
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
much does play iccup and you are a hacking frenchman
gtfo
lololololol seriously at least own up to it and not dump excuses all over this thread
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
it's better than saying "me no hack"
no its not cuz u he still hacked
I understand that but what I'm saying is: hacking & saying "sorry I hacked" is better than hacking & saying "I didn't hack"
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
First explaining that you actually used to hack. Then explaining that you don't hack now. This guy seems legit?
I played that nalryeo guy and he didn't seem too suspicious, but he was horrendous (with micro/intelligence) so I guess that's how he worked his way up the blue ranks.
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
I don't believe you.
I hope you didn t made same error, can be funny to see you in next list
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
Kwark has a good point here.
I also remember a good Hot_Bid post where he says something like hacking in the BW community is like committing murder or something like that. In the combat-ex thread or w/e when he gets bashed just for abusing. I think what clazz did was alot more serious than(dare i say it)lastshadow's map rigging or combat-ex's abusing. At least both of them never hacked(or haven't been caught yet). But I would love for Hot_Bid or Incontrol to post here. Incontrol deals with this all the time in USA WCG with hackers liek dino and the like.
On August 31 2009 10:37 GoShox wrote: If the guy gets caught and is worried about getting banned and looked down upon, why would the dude proceed to give out the rest of his aka's? LOL
On August 31 2009 10:32 DrywMz wrote: Uh, that's odd because I've never hacked and would never hack but 2 of my accounts are on that list. Only reason they'd be on that list are if alt f4'ing counts as disconnecting, which as far as I know doesn't, and even then I only alt f4 after I'm on the defeat screen. RIP Cutebutterfly and DCM_Wonka.
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
First explaining that you actually used to hack. Then explaining that you don't hack now. This guy seems legit?
LOLOLOL
this is not funny. i just try to say that they can be errors, i hope i will not be alone to notice it. -- i do NOT use hack. I can give ALL my replays, if u see how sometimes i die by a really stupid way.. I have 300 apm ++, a good micro, if i had a hack, i could go A, not just b- with 10 looses.
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
First explaining that you actually used to hack. Then explaining that you don't hack now. This guy seems legit?
LOLOLOL
this is not funny. i just try to say that they can be errors, i hope i will not be alone to notice it. -- i do NOT use hack. I can give ALL my replays, if u see how sometimes i die by a really stupid way.. I have 300 apm ++, a good micro, if i had a hack, i could go A, not just b- with 10 looses.
Agreed, I think it's really unfair how hackers like Much are being treated guys.
Well congrats to Iccup admins. Especially guys who maintain launcher! Every freaking hacker out there should get a life and/or learn to play starcraft without cheats (I know that actually requires IQ above 60 but you could give it a shot)
this is not funny. i just try to say that they can be errors, i hope i will not be alone to notice it. -- i do NOT use hack. I can give ALL my replays, if u see how sometimes i die by a really stupid way.. I have 300 apm ++, a good micro, if i had a hack, i could go A, not just b- with 10 looses.
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
First explaining that you actually used to hack. Then explaining that you don't hack now. This guy seems legit?
LOLOLOL
this is not funny. i just try to say that they can be errors, i hope i will not be alone to notice it. -- i do NOT use hack. I can give ALL my replays, if u see how sometimes i die by a really stupid way.. I have 300 apm ++, a good micro, if i had a hack, i could go A, not just b- with 10 looses.
lol typical hacker brag post " me 300+ apm korean micro i i make B- with 10 losses + i use maphack"
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
First explaining that you actually used to hack. Then explaining that you don't hack now. This guy seems legit?
LOLOLOL
this is not funny. i just try to say that they can be errors, i hope i will not be alone to notice it. -- i do NOT use hack. I can give ALL my replays, if u see how sometimes i die by a really stupid way.. I have 300 apm ++, a good micro, if i had a hack, i could go A, not just b- with 10 looses.
lol typical hacker brag post " me 300+ apm korean micro i i make B- with 10 losses + i use maphack"
On August 31 2009 10:40 Chill wrote: Sorry Clazz. Had to be done.
Don't know why you apologised, but I'm glad there is zero tolerance for hackers. Really disappointed in Clazz... and I totally agree with what Kwark said.
This was totally like an under cover police operation haha, love it
On August 31 2009 10:27 Much wrote: Hello, i'm Much, in list of "hackers"
so it seems there r really hackers in this list. I have only my words, so it will be hard, impossible to give you a reason to believe me but i have to say some things.
I used hack long time ago, on battle.net, community caught me because i said i used hack, i was honest and, yes, stupid. I didn't got any fun by using a maphack.
Now, unk and his crew detected me as hacker. I still don't know how it is possible. When i play starcraft, 3 programms are on my computer, starcraft, launcher & windows media player.
I also have brainclan launcher (called "MiniLauncher"), u can see it in replay of koreans sometimes, in game start u can see "[MINIV2.4]454063" something like this. It's a antihack, lan latency changer, it's all like iCCup launcher but for BrainClan server.
Now, my account was locked, my stats deleted, and, i heard that they will ban ip "hackers". I just feel bad, that's so unfair aha. I do not use hack and i will be called hacker, i will be banned from iCCup (i was here every day, i love 2:2's) and this story will follow me a year, or more.
So i have to say that i hate this shitty hacker detector. And why you put me in well know account ? -- I'm not much[gm] and much doesn't play iccup lol.
Thanks for reading,
Much / kOuSin / eQuid.eiin / ZergCry / etc.
First explaining that you actually used to hack. Then explaining that you don't hack now. This guy seems legit?
LOLOLOL
this is not funny. i just try to say that they can be errors, i hope i will not be alone to notice it. -- i do NOT use hack. I can give ALL my replays, if u see how sometimes i die by a really stupid way.. I have 300 apm ++, a good micro, if i had a hack, i could go A, not just b- with 10 looses.
this guy is probably right....
because the hack checker thinks he hacks, the entire community thinks he hacks...
its just some memory fuckup or useage of stupid programs that could be reported as a hack by the hack-checker... i can believe this is true for some of the people on the list...
I know Much from playing with him quite alot and I would just like to add my two cents. He has been flagged as a hacker and says he did not hack. Wether or not it is true that he hacked is irrelevant for his reputation: He has been judged and nothing short of examining the hack detection code and finding some kind of false alert can vindicate him. Personally I take his word for it, though I do not expect others to, and I certainly would not be satisfied with his word if I was an admin of ICCUP. I do however hope that this hack detection is analyzed because if he is telling the truth and he is innocent, then there might be others like him on that list, and it would be very unfair if they got permantly banned for something they did not do.
Also, big thanks to iCCup admins! They receive so much hate and negative comments.. I don't necessarily agree with all of the decisions that they make, but you have to give them major credit and respect for things like this, especially when they're not being paid to do this. Thanks guys for keeping iCCup hacker-free!
Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
On August 31 2009 10:45 Farahgrim wrote: I know Much from playing with him quite alot and I would just like to add my two cents. He has been flagged as a hacker and says he did not hack. Wether or not it is true that he hacked is irrelevant for his reputation: He has been judged and nothing short of examining the hack detection code and finding some kind of false alert can vindicate him. Personally I take his word for it, though I do not expect others to, and I certainly would not be satisfied with his word if I was an admin of ICCUP. I do however hope that this hack detection is analyzed because if he is telling the truth and he is innocent, then there might be others like him on that list, and it would be very unfair if they got permantly banned for something they did not do.
There are no false positives with this method. The list does not lie.
On August 31 2009 10:23 dhe95 wrote: If clazzi made fpvods... resemblance much?
And 250 people is still a lot, there's about 1500 players on iccup on average, so taking out 250 would be taking out 1/6 of the people.
Isn't that 1500 number just the average users online?
yes and this list is just the people that hacked in the past couple days.
there is ab igger list later on.
Fucking shit that's worse than bnet.
it's really not...
And ingenious move by iccup staff. They should do this periodically.
Any other TL members on that list besides Clazz? That really sucks that he got banned. He seemed like a good poster =/
uhhhhhhh, 250 bans is out of the total number users, and not all these users are on at the same time... geez, how can any of you even think that (at least) 1/6 of all iccup players are hackers???
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
lol?
and damn, this reminds me of baseball all over again -_-
On August 31 2009 10:40 Chill wrote: Sorry Clazz. Had to be done.
was the ban so necessary ;-( there are unbanned hackers on this site
I agree, not so much with the justification as with the statement.
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
Maybe you should spend less time spouting off random bullshit that people couldn't care less to hear and more time working on that abysmal ZvP of yours, you clever guy...
Clazziquai I'm really disappointed ._. don't know why you felt you had to hack to achieve a rank. Even when you saw me mass gaming and losing day after day to reach C+ in the same channel, chatting in friends list, you still decided to hack your way there and disgrace everyone who's good enough to do it? I'm a very forgiving person, can't bring myself to throw you out the door forever, but I hope you understand how serious it was ... I hope you also realize the possible impact to mG. as well... having a hacker caught on your team account hurts us all.
Why do i feel like the random piss test bus just came through the job site?? Welp Bob been nice working with ya for 20 years.... guess you shouldn't have smoked that doobie last night after all.....
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
On August 31 2009 10:54 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: Why do i feel like the random piss test bus just came through the job site?? Welp Bob been nice working with ya for 20 years.... guess you shouldn't have smoked that doobie last night after all.....
Except most likely Bob has been smoking that doobie every night for the past twenty years.
Clazz was still a big part of this community. So he hacked whatever it is not the end of the world. Do as you want here, but remember who the committed users are on TL.net
Though I am glad ICC caught these cheaters, it was very deceptive and ethically wrong it was a good way to catch the idiots stupid enough to DL the hack. Too tempting for some people...
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
The Godfather Part II
Thanks for that I didn't even realize that post was a move reference haha.
On August 31 2009 10:56 ghostWriter wrote: Oh man. I really liked clazziquai, did you really have to ban him? 90 days is a seriously long time, a permaban is forever =/
Iccup is really smart for pulling something like this though, playing against hackers is so lame.
90 days and then all is forgiven? 90 days then "aww shucks welcome back"? I liked him too, but in the end he is a cheater, and as a website devoted to professional gaming, and preserving the integrity of the game, how can we condone the behaviour?
On August 31 2009 10:53 Pokebunny wrote: lol foreplay
Clazziquai I'm really disappointed ._. don't know why you felt you had to hack to achieve a rank. Even when you saw me mass gaming and losing day after day to reach C+ in the same channel, chatting in friends list, you still decided to hack your way there and disgrace everyone who's good enough to do it? I'm a very forgiving person, can't bring myself to throw you out the door forever, but I hope you understand how serious it was ... I hope you also realize the possible impact to mG. as well... having a hacker caught on your team account hurts us all.
On August 31 2009 10:54 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: Why do i feel like the random piss test bus just came through the job site?? Welp Bob been nice working with ya for 20 years.... guess you shouldn't have smoked that doobie last night after all.....
haha
Really nice work by iccup admins and all others involved, good to see such a number of hackers taken out in one fell swoop. Disappointing clazz, you really should have known better!
On August 31 2009 10:54 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: Why do i feel like the random piss test bus just came through the job site?? Welp Bob been nice working with ya for 20 years.... guess you shouldn't have smoked that doobie last night after all.....
Except most likely Bob has been smoking that doobie every night for the past twenty years.
On August 31 2009 10:57 Amber[LighT] wrote: Clazz was still a big part of this community. So he hacked whatever it is not the end of the world. Do as you want here, but remember who the committed users are on TL.net
Though I am glad ICC caught these cheaters, it was very deceptive and ethically wrong it was a good way to catch the idiots stupid enough to DL the hack. Too tempting for some people...
... ethically wrong? should we have given advance warning "hey guys we are going to start checking for hacks now". No. There is nothing ethically wrong about this at all. Deceptive? Sure. Ethically wrong? Look at the cheaters.
Even as (I think) clazziquai's e-friend, I think the ban was perfectly justified. KawaiiRice was thrown out for just abusing a few games, only recently coming back, and the indefinite ban will certainly help make him realize what he's done. Ex-hackers have slowly gotten back into the community before, but it'll be a while before this fades away.
What about those who used it once or twice in the past just to see which hacks works and what not ? Don't get me wrong. Of course i've used hacks, 2 of them were in iccup and it didn't work (which made me happy obv). But i definitely don't want to be on the list because of this :/
On August 31 2009 10:54 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: Why do i feel like the random piss test bus just came through the job site?? Welp Bob been nice working with ya for 20 years.... guess you shouldn't have smoked that doobie last night after all.....
Except most likely Bob has been smoking that doobie every night for the past twenty years.
So true... It was just a joke, I didn't mean for it to sound like sympathy to banned hackers. It is kindof sad to see people succumb to that kind of stuff though... I just don't understand it. Oh well i guess if you play with fire you get burned eventually.
On August 31 2009 10:44 Mutaahh wrote: this guy is probably right....
because the hack checker thinks he hacks, the entire community thinks he hacks...
its just some memory fuckup or useage of stupid programs that could be reported as a hack by the hack-checker... i can believe this is true for some of the people on the list...
He already admitted to having hacked. Zero tolerance is not about "doing right by those caught", but about deterring anyone from even being tempted. As in: don't even think of "trying it once on battlenet". If you hack, you will be banned, permanently.
Damn, I think Clazz or another one of these hackers caused me to get ip banned from iccup . I'm from new york like him and I havent been able to access the site or gateway in over a day. Can an iccup admin please fix this for me (pm me). I didn't do anything wrong lol
On August 31 2009 11:03 Jumperer wrote: iccup disconnected Clazzi in game 3 and 4 against me in liquidtourney #3(hack modification detected blah blah blah). I thought it was a mistake but looks like it isnt.
lol so he was using it in tourneys too? awesooooooooome
Hacking to advance 1 rank is so retarded. Ranks only matter if they reflect your skill, but if u can get them by hacking, then ranks are meaningless. If u want to get C+ THAT badly, practice a lot and improve. All hackers must be banned in my opinion just because they make the game worse, doesn´t matter if they hacked 1 game and they lost, i completely agree with the Zero Tolerance policy...
On August 31 2009 11:05 Silent`Assassin wrote: Damn, I think Clazz or another one of these hackers caused me to get ip banned from iccup . I'm from new york like him and I havent been able to access the site or gateway in over a day. Can an iccup admin please fix this for me (pm me). I didn't do anything wrong lol
I sure hope not this isn't the case, I'm from NY too and there are A LOT of TL NYers and if those iccup admins IP ban the entire NYC area because of clazz or someone else from NY who hack... that would be just stupid...
*edit* oh and, what's going to happen to that liquidtourney now? afterall it was clazz who started it, hosted it and etc.
On August 31 2009 10:19 kdog3683 wrote: ROFL CLAZZI SO KAWAIIII.
I was surprised you had 40-30 C rec when I always thought you were A D/D- user.
i needa log on msn and show food this asap.
On August 31 2009 11:02 kdog3683 wrote: Can I make an Acc on my IP to give to Clazzi to use?
Dude, just shut up and try surmounting that incredible task of dislodging your head from that oh so similar body part generally known as your ass for once because for some odd reason, it's inevitable that you shit up every single thread you post in. You know how hard it is to be forced apart from a community that you've consistently contributed to for years because of one stupid mistake? I just got done talking to Clazz on AIM, and he was taking it pretty well, until you decide to open your shithole and grace us with yet another uninsightful and unfunny comment. + Show Spoiler +
[21:02] clazz: "Can I make an Acc on my IP to give to Clazzi to use?" [21:03] clazz: fuck flame that kdog bitch [21:03] Meebo Message: clazz is offline
In some twisted, ironic, justice-served way, the fact that this ICCup Killer was so famous and widespread actually screwed over the hackers even more.
I think there might be a necessity to use "gimmick" hacks once in a while in order to bait and trap hackers. It would make people wary of using "the next hack" out there because it could just be a trap setup by ICCup.
On August 31 2009 11:05 Silent`Assassin wrote: Damn, I think Clazz or another one of these hackers caused me to get ip banned from iccup . I'm from new york like him and I havent been able to access the site or gateway in over a day. Can an iccup admin please fix this for me (pm me). I didn't do anything wrong lol
Clazziquai is from NJ, I'm from NYC and willbe home tomorrow and I'll check it out.
On August 31 2009 11:03 Jumperer wrote: iccup disconnected Clazzi in game 3 and 4 against me in liquidtourney #3(hack modification detected blah blah blah). I thought it was a mistake but looks like it isnt.
lol so he was using it in tourneys too? awesooooooooome
better yet: he hacked in the tournament he was organizing himself.
On August 31 2009 11:05 Silent`Assassin wrote: Damn, I think Clazz or another one of these hackers caused me to get ip banned from iccup . I'm from new york like him and I havent been able to access the site or gateway in over a day. Can an iccup admin please fix this for me (pm me). I didn't do anything wrong lol
I sure hope not this isn't the case, I'm from NY too and there are A LOT of TL NYers and if those iccup admins IP ban the entire NYC area because of clazz or someone else from NY who hack... that would be just stupid...
*edit* oh and, what's going to happen to that liquidtourney now? afterall it was clazz who started it, hosted it and etc.
Nah don't worry I can get on. Idk what your guys' service provider is (probably IO since that's most of Westchester and Long Island) but if you have Comcast everything should be A-OK
On August 31 2009 10:56 ghostWriter wrote: Oh man. I really liked clazziquai, did you really have to ban him? 90 days is a seriously long time, a permaban is forever =/
Iccup is really smart for pulling something like this though, playing against hackers is so lame.
90 days and then all is forgiven? 90 days then "aww shucks welcome back"? I liked him too, but in the end he is a cheater, and as a website devoted to professional gaming, and preserving the integrity of the game, how can we condone the behaviour?
I don't have anything productive to say, I just wanted to echo your feelings on how this should be handled. Hacking directly undermines the integrity of the game, and the punishment for being caught needs to be as severe as possible in order to deter people from doing it in the first place. Hackers have no respect for the game or its players, and thus they should be given none in return.
Maybe reconsider this guy's case in a year or something.
Ugg, I tried to write a post defending Clazzi but I met several logical dead ends... idk, I think he's an awesome member of this site and should be even a little leniency; what he's done outside tl, albeit pretty bad, shouldn't necessarily eradicate everything he's done inside tl. For whatever it's worth, I would like to see more along the lines of a 90 day ban + something
hello all ! I believe much in this version.. i know him and i played sometimes with . he is mannered and i dont think he use hack.. i talked with him long time about his story on msn, he is very disspointed and revolted to lost his account not cause he hack but because he is innocent... i trust him.. when he say"i dont use hack".. so maybe it's possible your program to detect hack are not 100% sure... maybe u can apport the truth with replays. he have alls replays he played with much, wanna see? wispe him and one question: someone have already thought he was hacking after playing vs him? show you
On August 31 2009 11:20 IppO.P-ScT- wrote: hello all ! I believe much in this version.. i know him and i played sometimes with . he is mannered and i dont think he use hack.. i talked with him long time about his story on msn, he is very disspointed and revolted to lost his account not cause he hack but because he is innocent... i trust him.. when he say"i dont use hack".. so maybe it's possible your program to detect hack are not 100% sure... maybe u can apport the truth with replays. he have alls replays he played with much, wanna see? wispe him and one question: someone have already thought he was hacking after playing vs him? show you
On August 31 2009 11:20 IppO.P-ScT- wrote: hello all ! I believe much in this version.. i know him and i played sometimes with . he is mannered and i dont think he use hack.. i talked with him long time about his story on msn, he is very disspointed and revolted to lost his account not cause he hack but because he is innocent... i trust him.. when he say"i dont use hack".. so maybe it's possible your program to detect hack are not 100% sure... maybe u can apport the truth with replays. he have alls replays he played with much, wanna see? wispe him and one question: someone have already thought he was hacking after playing vs him? show you
On August 31 2009 11:05 Silent`Assassin wrote: Damn, I think Clazz or another one of these hackers caused me to get ip banned from iccup . I'm from new york like him and I havent been able to access the site or gateway in over a day. Can an iccup admin please fix this for me (pm me). I didn't do anything wrong lol
I sure hope not this isn't the case, I'm from NY too and there are A LOT of TL NYers and if those iccup admins IP ban the entire NYC area because of clazz or someone else from NY who hack... that would be just stupid...
*edit* oh and, what's going to happen to that liquidtourney now? afterall it was clazz who started it, hosted it and etc.
Nah don't worry I can get on. Idk what your guys' service provider is (probably IO since that's most of Westchester and Long Island) but if you have Comcast everything should be A-OK
Oh don't get me wrong, I didn't try to log on yet.... I'm currently in the process of "cold-turkeying" Starcraft for this semester for a 4.0 (or somewhat close to it) gpa and all... but anyway, my service provider is fios, it should be ok for me but I won't bother testing yet...
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
Maybe you should spend less time spouting off random bullshit that people couldn't care less to hear and more time working on that abysmal ZvP of yours, you clever guy...
On August 31 2009 11:05 Silent`Assassin wrote: Damn, I think Clazz or another one of these hackers caused me to get ip banned from iccup . I'm from new york like him and I havent been able to access the site or gateway in over a day. Can an iccup admin please fix this for me (pm me). I didn't do anything wrong lol
Clazziquai is from NJ, I'm from NYC and willbe home tomorrow and I'll check it out.
Ook, well I'm actually not from NYC either, I'm from Washingtonville, NY and I have frontier internet.
Hope this can be fixed by next season though :/. I don't really mind for this season since I reached the rank I wanted to anyway.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
Uh... a guy I play 2v2 with is on the list and when we were playing the game said he had signed off of B.net but he was still in the game and I thought wtf... so it seems he got banned. But I don't see the point since he just created a new account and tbh I don't think he was hacking at all, if so he's a really bad player :O
BF's other accounts GN and GD are in the hacker list LOL and he's a tl.net streamer hahahaha... how would you like to explain this BF? Edit BF = skryoo1004
On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote: So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
If the person really felt guilty about it, then yes, admitting it before being caught would be the best way. In fact, I would have infinite respect for someone who did that, as opposed to someone who said sorry after getting caught.
On August 31 2009 11:02 kdog3683 wrote: Can I make an Acc on my IP to give to Clazzi to use?
Only if you want to be banned too.
Mani going cold blooded up in here.
Nah, I'm jk, but clazzi, I have only known you for a little while and I can't believe you would do this honestly.. But still, a hacker is a hacker and they deserve a ban from everything, including TL net to learn their lesson. Oh yeah, they should be able to play on east at least though.
On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote: So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
If the person really felt guilty about it, then yes, admitting it before being caught would be the best way. In fact, I would have infinite respect for someone who did that, as opposed to someone who said sorry after getting caught.
Out of curiosity, would said confessor still get a ban? If so, for how long.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
On August 31 2009 11:03 Jumperer wrote: iccup disconnected Clazzi in game 3 and 4 against me in liquidtourney #3(hack modification detected blah blah blah). I thought it was a mistake but looks like it isnt.
lol so he was using it in tourneys too? awesooooooooome
better yet: he hacked in the tournament he was organizing himself.
On August 31 2009 10:56 ghostWriter wrote: Oh man. I really liked clazziquai, did you really have to ban him? 90 days is a seriously long time, a permaban is forever =/
Iccup is really smart for pulling something like this though, playing against hackers is so lame.
i agree, ppl can go to jail but depents of what you do, i think a permanent ban is unfair 2month or 3month ban is just fair enough!
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
On August 31 2009 11:03 Jumperer wrote: iccup disconnected Clazzi in game 3 and 4 against me in liquidtourney #3(hack modification detected blah blah blah). I thought it was a mistake but looks like it isnt.
lol so he was using it in tourneys too? awesooooooooome
better yet: he hacked in the tournament he was organizing himself.
This is about as low as you can go.
I have to agree here, I mean especially in a respectable tourney just for fun, for the community, and for respect, he decided to hack there... seriously, sure he organized the tourney, made a nice OP and everything, he was already respected by everyone in the tourney, why did he hack his own matches? Does he really wanted that #1 spot so badly??? I mean I was sort of pissed at him earlier with regards with the tourney but this is just... wow....
that being said, as strict TL is and that justice must be served, it seems indirectly there are 2 sides here of one agreeing with the admins decision of a perm ban and no tolerance and such, the other wanting to lower the ban and try to help him out in some little way possible. idk about you guys, but this reminds me of liberals and conservatives all over again... but one thing is for sure that is agreeing both sides, clazz sinned and he must pay for it.
On August 31 2009 10:08 Louder wrote: WOW I've always been suspicious of Vasilisk... and Evets has been caught a million times. WOopty doo.
I knew I'd see a post like this as I read through the thread, just like people saying I KNEW THATS WHY I LOST 16 GAMES when it was revealed the ICCUP hack was out. Unfortunately for you, unless they hacked against you in the last whatever weeks then they probably weren't hacking before, when the AH was not breached or whatever. Same with other people being like "OH HE WAS HACKING EVERY TIME I BEAT HIM? LOL." No, probably not.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
I've been Clazz's friend in real life for a really long time, and I can assure everyone that this is the first time that he has ever hacked. And I'm partly to blame - he actually asked me whether or not he should try map hacking. I should have given him a clear no, but instead I said "lol, i dunno" like the idiot I am. I know that TL has a zero tolerance policy for hackers, but Clazz really isn't some perpetual hacker that deserves to be permanently banned. It was a momentarily lapse in judgment. He saw an easier road and took it, temporarily oblivious to future consequences. Don't we all make such mistakes? Clazz was a dedicated poster on TL; his love for this community was immense - kicking him out for a such a silly, stupid mistake is unfair. In the end, how will Clazz's banishment benefit the community? Indeed, I realize that making an exception for one hacker opens the floodgates for other cheaters. But Clazz is different! - he really is sorry, and he's willing to make up to the community for his actions. And obviously he has learned his lesson and will never ever hack again.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
I also love how unk said that the process is not 100% foolproof but people are like FUCK YOU HACKING PIECE OF SHIT if anyone says it's wrong, whereas if unk does anything else really everyone says FUCK YOU UNK YOU SUCK. You condemn him banning every single person from a city with a few hackers but not categorical banning of everyone with an "acceptable" margin of error. He even says in the ICCUP post "we could be wrong but its unlikely, but we aren't going to check."
Especially when you have TL people posting that they haven't even been playing on accounts that got listed or saying they don't hack but their akas are on there, or the accused offering to give ALL their replays.
On August 31 2009 12:00 NoobsOfWrath wrote: I also love how unk said that the process is not 100% foolproof but people are like FUCK YOU HACKING PIECE OF SHIT if anyone says it's wrong, whereas if unk does anything else really everyone says FUCK YOU UNK YOU SUCK. You condemn him banning every single person from a city with a few hackers but not categorical banning of everyone with an "acceptable" margin of error. He even says in the ICCUP post "we could be wrong but its unlikely, but we aren't going to check."
Especially when you have TL people posting that they haven't even been playing on accounts that got listed or saying they don't hack but their akas are on there, or the accused offering to give ALL their replays.
It detects the iccup hack that makes people be able to load anything.
You could use the anti-antihack and not use a maphack. But if you're caught, you're def. using that anti-antihack which is reason enough to assume it's a hacker.
definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote: definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
Makes me so sad ppl need to hack at all. I mean playing SC on Iccup is to challenge yourself to get better with everyones challenge. I can't see anyone getting satisfaction from hacking to win as winning by your own skills is so fulfilling.
On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote: definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
Yeah I agree, no way they could of done this without anyone knowing and made no mistakes..
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote: definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
So hacking is not serious and apologizing when you already know your fucked is a hard thing to do?
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
ROFL shutup with that technically bullshit, the list doesn't lie, stop defending him.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
How many people plead guilty when they are caught, and how many try to fight it anyway?
On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote: definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program.
Or maybe he is a hacker too.
I think you're wrong Mani. The check determines whether you use the iccup anti anti-hack (or a program that works in a similar way to avoid detection). If you do that, even just to be able to load APMLive, you're on the list.
So either the code is buggy (given IdrA's counterexample), or the account was shared.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
Why does it matter if he confessed after he was "suspected", he would have been caught and banned anyway Confessing when you know time is running out is not brave or epic or anything; its just going out with style. Clazz has some style
hm BF/GN and Much(said he used this MINI program or sth) both used this and most likely dont hack IMO because BF would be too surprising and much seemed honest. now manifesto posted that it checks if any other programs were loaded. i have a good feeling this isnt foolproof atm and that some of the ppl on the list used a 3rd program that wasnt really cheating. there's 3-4 guys who have been claiming they dont hack after this list release. i dont remember ppl ever saying they dont hack after being "supposedly caught 100 %" or am i wrong?
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
So hacking is not serious and apologizing when you already know your fucked is a hard thing to do?
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
ROFL shutup with that technically bullshit, the list doesn't lie, stop defending him.
When have i ever said hacking is not serious in a gaming community? im just saying that naturally/genetically people do not view hacking as a big enough sin to confess for before getting caught, Mother natural controls it. It's not something we decide upon. I would go further, but i believe your close mind cannot handle the mass amount of information, so i guess i'll stop.
On August 31 2009 12:21 DanteStyle wrote: hm BF/GN and Much(said he used this MINI program or sth) both used this and most likely dont hack IMO because BF would be too surprising and much seemed honest. now manifesto posted that it checks if any other programs were loaded. i have a good feeling this isnt foolproof atm and that some of the ppl on the list used a 3rd program that wasnt really cheating. there's 3-4 guys who have been claiming they dont hack after this list release. i dont remember ppl ever saying they dont hack after being "supposedly caught 100 %" or am i wrong?
Have you seen his fucking stream? Hes like B- max..
On August 31 2009 12:24 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: Too bad Clazz was banned ...
No it is not too bad, he hacked, got what he deserved, I think hes a cool guy but this should be unacceptable.
By the way i know that Tad guy too, or npnl.yelloh. He knew my password to my smurf account and i use the same password for all my accounts. So he jacked my smurf name, transfered stats from my real account name to it, and then changed the password on my smurf name. That mother fucker stole 2 of my accounts.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
no no, your posts are dumb. I suggest you read the thread over again. Clazz already admitted that he hacked, it's not just a suspicion.
Edit: I'd try to comment on the rest of your post, but I won't bother. You clearly have a reading comprehension problem and anything I write will go over your head. People make mistakes sure, but lying about who ate the last cookie from the cookie jar is a tad bit different from cheating in a tournament where other people are putting their time and effort to win a prize. It's selfish, simple as that. And when your part of an online community revolving around a video game, when you happen to cheat in it, it's pretty bad. But I won't go further. What the hell does "If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?" mean anyway?
Oh no, I fear I will soon be caught. he I'm starting to wish I hacked, being proxy fact on Desti when I have all my goons holding him in. At the same time I was kinda wondering " Why does he have so little units ".
I allied jiraya, and we lost every match. We must have played together before he hacked :p
I also see that iG. is recruiting new talent. Keep up the good work jingjong.
yelloh also paid me to play SC on his npnl.yelloh account, to boost his ego. I stopped playing for him since he stopped paying me.He also takeover my identity by pretending to be me. Wasn't part of the deal but I didn't really care, in fact I thought it was hilarious how he managed to fool everyone without managing to log in into any of my Jumper name. So yea he developed a connections with foreign gosus
[18:55] Tad: rit [18:55] Tad: u there? [18:56] Jump: yea [18:56] Tad: yo rit [18:56] Tad: im gonna pay u thursday night [18:56] Tad: ok? [18:56] Jump: ok [18:56] Tad: ccool [18:57] Tad: yo [18:57] Tad: i got some gosu ass people on my f list now [18:57] Tad: lol [18:57] Tad: morrow [18:57] Tad: ret [18:57] Tad: tls [18:57] Tad: louder [18:57] Tad: im in the clique now [18:57] Jump: wtf [18:57] Tad: LOL [18:57] Jump: haha [18:57] Jump: i could never get in [18:58] Jump: they say i cheese too much [18:58] Tad: why not [18:58] Tad: LOL [18:58] Jump: remember G5 [18:58] Jump: hahh [18:58] Tad: yea [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: lastshadow is my good pal now [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: i prActice with him [18:58] Tad: i even got tasteless on f list [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Jump: wtf [18:58] Jump: how did you do this [18:58] Tad: im the man [18:58] Tad: morrow is fucking gosu [18:58] Tad: hes cool tho [18:59] Jump: i played with morrow [18:59] Jump: on iccup [18:59] Jump: and again in a tournament [18:59] Jump: lost to him 2-3 [18:59] Tad: thing is [18:59] Jump: he is good [18:59] Tad: i kind of told morrow [18:59] Tad: i was you [18:59] Tad: jumper [18:59] Tad: rofl [18:59] Jump: haha you jackass [18:59] Tad: LOL [18:59] Jump: you owe me 25 more dollars or i'll sue you for identity theft [18:59] Tad: HAHA [18:59] Jump: lol [19:00] Tad: but srsly [19:00] Tad: i obs a game today [19:00] Tad: tls vs bisu [19:00] Tad: rofl [19:00] Jump: the real bisu? [19:00] Tad: yea [19:00] Tad: the actual bisu [19:00] Jump: what map [19:00] Tad: desti [19:00] Tad: i wanna get lz on my f list [19:01] Tad: but hes not even that good is he [19:01] Jump: he is A- [19:01] Tad: yea [19:01] Jump: get paid to play the game [19:01] Tad: really? [19:01] Jump: yea [19:01] Jump: he is in clan EG [19:01] Tad: they get paid? [19:01] Jump: they pay people [19:01] Jump: yep [19:01] Tad: wtf [19:01] Jump: G5 machine etc is in it [19:01] Jump: they send them equipments too [19:01] Tad: how much? [19:01] Jump: no idea [19:01] Jump: you have to find out [19:01] Tad: i will [19:01] Tad: lol [19:01] Tad: i got EG louder [19:01] Tad: on f list [19:01] Tad: and incontrol [19:02] Tad: too bad i suck ass [19:02] Tad: and can never play them [19:02] Tad: rofl [19:02] Tad: dude [19:02] Tad: if u ever wanna play them [19:02] Tad: log on my npnl name [19:02] Tad: lol [19:03] Jump: haha [19:03] Jump: they see your B- and they want to be your friend [19:03] Tad: im only C+ now [19:03] Tad: i lost it [19:03] Tad: go on a name and give me a win [19:03] Tad: so on thursday +2.50 [19:03] Jump: i'll get to it [19:03] Tad: it will be 26.40 [19:03] Tad: 50 [19:03] Tad: the deal is still on [19:04] Tad: so if between now and then [19:04] Tad: u game [19:04] Tad: u get paid [19:06] Jump: im getting on [19:07] Tad: now? [19:07] Jump: if you are not on your name [19:08] Tad: there [19:08] Tad: im off
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sat Aug 01 21:16:55 2009 [21:16] Tad: did u see my f list [21:16] Tad: its gosu eh? [21:17] Jump: nah i didnt pay attention [21:17] Tad: lol [21:17] Jump: but some guy was talking to you on npnl clan [21:17] Tad: i got exactly [21:17] Tad: 6k points [21:17] Jump: i know [21:17] Jump: seriously [21:17] Tad: who was? [21:17] Tad: gomi? [21:17] Jump: dont remember [21:17] Jump: long name [21:17] Tad: npnl.machettii [21:17] Jump: yea [21:17] Tad: what wa she sayin [21:18] Jump: lol [21:18] Jump: a girl? [21:18] Tad: was he* [21:18] Jump: something about you playing 2v2 a lot [21:18] Tad: lol [21:18] Tad: i play 2v2 legit [21:18] Tad: and it sucks [21:18] Tad: rit [21:18] Tad: lets abuse iccup next season [21:18] Tad: i wanna get A- [21:18] Tad: is there a way u think? [21:19] Jump: nah [21:19] Jump: i'm gonna get A- the real men way [21:19] Tad: and then /transfer to me? [21:19] Jump: sure [21:19] Tad: nice [21:19] Tad: lol [21:19] Tad: morrow thinks im jumperer [21:19] Tad: LOL [21:20] Tad: i joined his game [21:20] Tad: and hes like [21:20] Tad: who are u some fan? [21:20] Tad: im like im jumperer bitch
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 02 18:47:48 2009 [18:47] Tad: rit [18:47] Tad: play some more games [18:47] Tad: on my shit [18:47] Tad: get me to B+ [18:47] Jump: ok [18:48] Jump: 25.50 so far [18:48] Tad: i put [18:48] Tad: aka jumperer in my orofile [18:48] Tad: lol [18:48] Tad: LOL [18:48] Jump: haha [18:48] Jump: im going to edit that [19:32] Jump: one more win [19:56] Tad: u won 97 points [19:56] Tad: thats like [19:56] Tad: 30 cents [19:56] Tad: LOL [19:56] Tad: ;p [19:56] Jump: i couldn't find anyone to play with [19:56] Jump: 2 dollars [20:01] Tad: lol [20:02] Tad: .75 [20:02] Tad: 1.75 [20:03] Jump: ok good enough [20:03] Jump: now i have 25.50+1.75 [20:32] *** "Tad" signed off at Sun Aug 02 20:32:07 2009. [20:34] *** "Tad" signed on at Sun Aug 02 20:34:22 2009. [20:39] Tad: yes sir [20:39] *** Auto-response sent to Tad: I am currently idle. [21:25] Tad: jumper
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 09 20:28:44 2009 [20:28] Tad: get me to fuckin B [20:28] Jump: you still owe me 10 dollars [20:28] Tad: stfu [20:29] Tad: ill pay u
I also smurfed for him in CWs and other random games against gosus for money of course. But I stopped doing that because he stopped paying me and plus its somewhat lame and i didn't feel like doing it anymore. I was gonna make a post declaring that I'm not yelloh but I changed my mind at the last second. He wasn't really doing any real harm(until now anyway) and its not like I really know anyone in the elite non korean community. I guess he turned to hacking when he no longer could get me to smurf for him. He created a world of lies and had to hack to back it up.
so yea, I'm not npnl.yelloh or iownyouez. If you see him around, just ask him to log into any of my Jumper's name. He won't be able to do it because he doesn't know the password to it.
Although I did give him one of my smurf's name because he would not stop msging me every second asking for pw of Jumper]ex[ account. In a true jackass fashion, he changed the pw of that smurf name. So i started trusting him less and less after that incident.
Furthermore, It would be extremely stupid for me to change my name to something like yelloh and then tell people I'm Jumper, wouldn't it? I had absolutely 0 reason to change my name.
haha jumper, tad got me to do the same thing for him aswell.. play in some CWs because he was 'unavaliable' for some money on stars ...
but yea, this guy is no way related to ret, it was just basically ret asking random people in op tot) if he could play on their account, because aerials and LZ wanted to cast his games, and he didnt want to lose focus. so he decided to play on some B account haha...
On August 31 2009 12:38 Khol wrote: Oh no, I fear I will soon be caught. he I'm starting to wish I hacked, being proxy fact on Desti when I have all my goons holding him in. At the same time I was kinda wondering " Why does he have so little units ".
I allied jiraya, and we lost every match. We must have played together before he hacked :p
I also see that iG. is recruiting new talent. Keep up the good work jingjong.
ok first of all, jingjong? wtf? do you even know bingbong? he has so much IRL crap going on right now he isnt touching iG.
also none of us could possibly know that any of our members hacked, how? honestly, we had some trust
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
no no, your posts are dumb. I suggest you read the thread over again. Clazz already admitted that he hacked, it's not just a suspicion.
Did you really not get what i meant? I MEAN he ADMITTED that he hacked WHEN the LIST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST OF HACKERS BUT A LIST OF SUSPICIOUS HACKERS... there i typed i t in caps, hopefully you understand now.
iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects
There i bolded the part where i said iccup's hack list is not official hopefully that helps you. Thanks good day sir.
Next time you call my posts dumb please double read my comments before makign yourself look like a Fool AGAIN!...
yelloh also paid me to play SC on his npnl.yelloh account, to boost his ego. I stopped playing for him since he stopped paying me.He also takeover my identity by pretending to be me. Wasn't part of the deal but I didn't really care, in fact I thought it was hilarious how he managed to fool everyone without managing to log in into any of my Jumper name. So yea he developed a connections with foreign gosus
[18:55] Tad: rit [18:55] Tad: u there? [18:56] Jump: yea [18:56] Tad: yo rit [18:56] Tad: im gonna pay u thursday night [18:56] Tad: ok? [18:56] Jump: ok [18:56] Tad: ccool [18:57] Tad: yo [18:57] Tad: i got some gosu ass people on my f list now [18:57] Tad: lol [18:57] Tad: morrow [18:57] Tad: ret [18:57] Tad: tls [18:57] Tad: louder [18:57] Tad: im in the clique now [18:57] Jump: wtf [18:57] Tad: LOL [18:57] Jump: haha [18:57] Jump: i could never get in [18:58] Jump: they say i cheese too much [18:58] Tad: why not [18:58] Tad: LOL [18:58] Jump: remember G5 [18:58] Jump: hahh [18:58] Tad: yea [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: lastshadow is my good pal now [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: i prActice with him [18:58] Tad: i even got tasteless on f list [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Jump: wtf [18:58] Jump: how did you do this [18:58] Tad: im the man [18:58] Tad: morrow is fucking gosu [18:58] Tad: hes cool tho [18:59] Jump: i played with morrow [18:59] Jump: on iccup [18:59] Jump: and again in a tournament [18:59] Jump: lost to him 2-3 [18:59] Tad: thing is [18:59] Jump: he is good [18:59] Tad: i kind of told morrow [18:59] Tad: i was you [18:59] Tad: jumper [18:59] Tad: rofl [18:59] Jump: haha you jackass [18:59] Tad: LOL [18:59] Jump: you owe me 25 more dollars or i'll sue you for identity theft [18:59] Tad: HAHA [18:59] Jump: lol [19:00] Tad: but srsly [19:00] Tad: i obs a game today [19:00] Tad: tls vs bisu [19:00] Tad: rofl [19:00] Jump: the real bisu? [19:00] Tad: yea [19:00] Tad: the actual bisu [19:00] Jump: what map [19:00] Tad: desti [19:00] Tad: i wanna get lz on my f list [19:01] Tad: but hes not even that good is he [19:01] Jump: he is A- [19:01] Tad: yea [19:01] Jump: get paid to play the game [19:01] Tad: really? [19:01] Jump: yea [19:01] Jump: he is in clan EG [19:01] Tad: they get paid? [19:01] Jump: they pay people [19:01] Jump: yep [19:01] Tad: wtf [19:01] Jump: G5 machine etc is in it [19:01] Jump: they send them equipments too [19:01] Tad: how much? [19:01] Jump: no idea [19:01] Jump: you have to find out [19:01] Tad: i will [19:01] Tad: lol [19:01] Tad: i got EG louder [19:01] Tad: on f list [19:01] Tad: and incontrol [19:02] Tad: too bad i suck ass [19:02] Tad: and can never play them [19:02] Tad: rofl [19:02] Tad: dude [19:02] Tad: if u ever wanna play them [19:02] Tad: log on my npnl name [19:02] Tad: lol [19:03] Jump: haha [19:03] Jump: they see your B- and they want to be your friend [19:03] Tad: im only C+ now [19:03] Tad: i lost it [19:03] Tad: go on a name and give me a win [19:03] Tad: so on thursday +2.50 [19:03] Jump: i'll get to it [19:03] Tad: it will be 26.40 [19:03] Tad: 50 [19:03] Tad: the deal is still on [19:04] Tad: so if between now and then [19:04] Tad: u game [19:04] Tad: u get paid [19:06] Jump: im getting on [19:07] Tad: now? [19:07] Jump: if you are not on your name [19:08] Tad: there [19:08] Tad: im off
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sat Aug 01 21:16:55 2009 [21:16] Tad: did u see my f list [21:16] Tad: its gosu eh? [21:17] Jump: nah i didnt pay attention [21:17] Tad: lol [21:17] Jump: but some guy was talking to you on npnl clan [21:17] Tad: i got exactly [21:17] Tad: 6k points [21:17] Jump: i know [21:17] Jump: seriously [21:17] Tad: who was? [21:17] Tad: gomi? [21:17] Jump: dont remember [21:17] Jump: long name [21:17] Tad: npnl.machettii [21:17] Jump: yea [21:17] Tad: what wa she sayin [21:18] Jump: lol [21:18] Jump: a girl? [21:18] Tad: was he* [21:18] Jump: something about you playing 2v2 a lot [21:18] Tad: lol [21:18] Tad: i play 2v2 legit [21:18] Tad: and it sucks [21:18] Tad: rit [21:18] Tad: lets abuse iccup next season [21:18] Tad: i wanna get A- [21:18] Tad: is there a way u think? [21:19] Jump: nah [21:19] Jump: i'm gonna get A- the real men way [21:19] Tad: and then /transfer to me? [21:19] Jump: sure [21:19] Tad: nice [21:19] Tad: lol [21:19] Tad: morrow thinks im jumperer [21:19] Tad: LOL [21:20] Tad: i joined his game [21:20] Tad: and hes like [21:20] Tad: who are u some fan? [21:20] Tad: im like im jumperer bitch
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 02 18:47:48 2009 [18:47] Tad: rit [18:47] Tad: play some more games [18:47] Tad: on my shit [18:47] Tad: get me to B+ [18:47] Jump: ok [18:48] Jump: 25.50 so far [18:48] Tad: i put [18:48] Tad: aka jumperer in my orofile [18:48] Tad: lol [18:48] Tad: LOL [18:48] Jump: haha [18:48] Jump: im going to edit that [19:32] Jump: one more win [19:56] Tad: u won 97 points [19:56] Tad: thats like [19:56] Tad: 30 cents [19:56] Tad: LOL [19:56] Tad: ;p [19:56] Jump: i couldn't find anyone to play with [19:56] Jump: 2 dollars [20:01] Tad: lol [20:02] Tad: .75 [20:02] Tad: 1.75 [20:03] Jump: ok good enough [20:03] Jump: now i have 25.50+1.75 [20:32] *** "Tad" signed off at Sun Aug 02 20:32:07 2009. [20:34] *** "Tad" signed on at Sun Aug 02 20:34:22 2009. [20:39] Tad: yes sir [20:39] *** Auto-response sent to Tad: I am currently idle. [21:25] Tad: jumper
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 09 20:28:44 2009 [20:28] Tad: get me to fuckin B [20:28] Jump: you still owe me 10 dollars [20:28] Tad: stfu [20:29] Tad: ill pay u
I also smurfed for him in CWs and other random games against gosus for money of course. But I stopped doing that because he stopped paying me and plus its somewhat lame and i didn't feel like doing it anymore. I was gonna make a post declaring that I'm not yelloh but I changed my mind at the last second. He wasn't really doing any real harm(until now anyway) and its not like I really know anyone in the elite non korean community. I guess he turned to hacking when he no longer could get me to smurf for him. He created a world of lies and had to hack to back it up.
so yea, I'm not npnl.yelloh or iownyouez. If you see him around, just ask him to log into any of my Jumper's name. He won't be able to do it because he doesn't know the password to it.
Although I did give him one of my smurf's name because he would not stop msging me every second asking for pw of Jumper]ex[ account. In a true jackass fashion, he changed the pw of that smurf name. So i started trusting him less and less after that incident.
Furthermore, It would be extremely stupid for me to change my name to something like yelloh and then tell people I'm Jumper, wouldn't it? I had absolutely 0 reason to change my name.
All I want to know is, who is "Tad". Bragging about your f list is pretty fucking said, expecially if you're no where near their skill level.
Can TL create a permanent list"Players Caught Hacking" evets-x17 was caught previously but everyone seems to have forgotten and treats him like he's legit. It seems like 1 month will go by and it's like you never hacked.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 12:15 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:13 IdrA wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:12 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:59 Masamune wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote: [quote] It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
no no, your posts are dumb. I suggest you read the thread over again. Clazz already admitted that he hacked, it's not just a suspicion.
Did you really not get what i meant? I MEAN he ADMITTED that he hacked WHEN the LIST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST OF HACKERS BUT A LIST OF SUSPICIOUS HACKERS... there i typed i t in caps, hopefully you understand now.
iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects
There i bolded the part where i said iccup's hack list is not official hopefully that helps you. Thanks good day sir.
Next time you call my posts dumb please double read my comments before makign yourself look like a Fool AGAIN!...
your post is still dumb. Big deal if it's not official. Nothing is official; there is always a sliver of a chance someone is innocent when they are accused of a crime. He still hacked, bottom line. I really don't know what you're getting at because it's something so trivial.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 12:15 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:13 IdrA wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:12 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:59 Masamune wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote: [quote] So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
no no, your posts are dumb. I suggest you read the thread over again. Clazz already admitted that he hacked, it's not just a suspicion.
Did you really not get what i meant? I MEAN he ADMITTED that he hacked WHEN the LIST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST OF HACKERS BUT A LIST OF SUSPICIOUS HACKERS... there i typed i t in caps, hopefully you understand now.
iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects
There i bolded the part where i said iccup's hack list is not official hopefully that helps you. Thanks good day sir.
Next time you call my posts dumb please double read my comments before makign yourself look like a Fool AGAIN!...
your post is still dumb. Big deal if it's not official. Nothing is official; there is always a sliver of a chance someone is innocent when they are accused of a crime. He still hacked, bottom line. I really don't know what you're getting at.
I would go on with this, but i feel like you're not using reasoning and/or not thinking in my perspective, but trying to compete with my ego. Or maybe i'm just not explaining well enough. So i'll let it go, good day sir.
yelloh also paid me to play SC on his npnl.yelloh account, to boost his ego. I stopped playing for him since he stopped paying me.He also takeover my identity by pretending to be me. Wasn't part of the deal but I didn't really care, in fact I thought it was hilarious how he managed to fool everyone without managing to log in into any of my Jumper name. So yea he developed a connections with foreign gosus
[18:55] Tad: rit [18:55] Tad: u there? [18:56] Jump: yea [18:56] Tad: yo rit [18:56] Tad: im gonna pay u thursday night [18:56] Tad: ok? [18:56] Jump: ok [18:56] Tad: ccool [18:57] Tad: yo [18:57] Tad: i got some gosu ass people on my f list now [18:57] Tad: lol [18:57] Tad: morrow [18:57] Tad: ret [18:57] Tad: tls [18:57] Tad: louder [18:57] Tad: im in the clique now [18:57] Jump: wtf [18:57] Tad: LOL [18:57] Jump: haha [18:57] Jump: i could never get in [18:58] Jump: they say i cheese too much [18:58] Tad: why not [18:58] Tad: LOL [18:58] Jump: remember G5 [18:58] Jump: hahh [18:58] Tad: yea [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: lastshadow is my good pal now [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: i prActice with him [18:58] Tad: i even got tasteless on f list [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Jump: wtf [18:58] Jump: how did you do this [18:58] Tad: im the man [18:58] Tad: morrow is fucking gosu [18:58] Tad: hes cool tho [18:59] Jump: i played with morrow [18:59] Jump: on iccup [18:59] Jump: and again in a tournament [18:59] Jump: lost to him 2-3 [18:59] Tad: thing is [18:59] Jump: he is good [18:59] Tad: i kind of told morrow [18:59] Tad: i was you [18:59] Tad: jumper [18:59] Tad: rofl [18:59] Jump: haha you jackass [18:59] Tad: LOL [18:59] Jump: you owe me 25 more dollars or i'll sue you for identity theft [18:59] Tad: HAHA [18:59] Jump: lol [19:00] Tad: but srsly [19:00] Tad: i obs a game today [19:00] Tad: tls vs bisu [19:00] Tad: rofl [19:00] Jump: the real bisu? [19:00] Tad: yea [19:00] Tad: the actual bisu [19:00] Jump: what map [19:00] Tad: desti [19:00] Tad: i wanna get lz on my f list [19:01] Tad: but hes not even that good is he [19:01] Jump: he is A- [19:01] Tad: yea [19:01] Jump: get paid to play the game [19:01] Tad: really? [19:01] Jump: yea [19:01] Jump: he is in clan EG [19:01] Tad: they get paid? [19:01] Jump: they pay people [19:01] Jump: yep [19:01] Tad: wtf [19:01] Jump: G5 machine etc is in it [19:01] Jump: they send them equipments too [19:01] Tad: how much? [19:01] Jump: no idea [19:01] Jump: you have to find out [19:01] Tad: i will [19:01] Tad: lol [19:01] Tad: i got EG louder [19:01] Tad: on f list [19:01] Tad: and incontrol [19:02] Tad: too bad i suck ass [19:02] Tad: and can never play them [19:02] Tad: rofl [19:02] Tad: dude [19:02] Tad: if u ever wanna play them [19:02] Tad: log on my npnl name [19:02] Tad: lol [19:03] Jump: haha [19:03] Jump: they see your B- and they want to be your friend [19:03] Tad: im only C+ now [19:03] Tad: i lost it [19:03] Tad: go on a name and give me a win [19:03] Tad: so on thursday +2.50 [19:03] Jump: i'll get to it [19:03] Tad: it will be 26.40 [19:03] Tad: 50 [19:03] Tad: the deal is still on [19:04] Tad: so if between now and then [19:04] Tad: u game [19:04] Tad: u get paid [19:06] Jump: im getting on [19:07] Tad: now? [19:07] Jump: if you are not on your name [19:08] Tad: there [19:08] Tad: im off
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sat Aug 01 21:16:55 2009 [21:16] Tad: did u see my f list [21:16] Tad: its gosu eh? [21:17] Jump: nah i didnt pay attention [21:17] Tad: lol [21:17] Jump: but some guy was talking to you on npnl clan [21:17] Tad: i got exactly [21:17] Tad: 6k points [21:17] Jump: i know [21:17] Jump: seriously [21:17] Tad: who was? [21:17] Tad: gomi? [21:17] Jump: dont remember [21:17] Jump: long name [21:17] Tad: npnl.machettii [21:17] Jump: yea [21:17] Tad: what wa she sayin [21:18] Jump: lol [21:18] Jump: a girl? [21:18] Tad: was he* [21:18] Jump: something about you playing 2v2 a lot [21:18] Tad: lol [21:18] Tad: i play 2v2 legit [21:18] Tad: and it sucks [21:18] Tad: rit [21:18] Tad: lets abuse iccup next season [21:18] Tad: i wanna get A- [21:18] Tad: is there a way u think? [21:19] Jump: nah [21:19] Jump: i'm gonna get A- the real men way [21:19] Tad: and then /transfer to me? [21:19] Jump: sure [21:19] Tad: nice [21:19] Tad: lol [21:19] Tad: morrow thinks im jumperer [21:19] Tad: LOL [21:20] Tad: i joined his game [21:20] Tad: and hes like [21:20] Tad: who are u some fan? [21:20] Tad: im like im jumperer bitch
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 02 18:47:48 2009 [18:47] Tad: rit [18:47] Tad: play some more games [18:47] Tad: on my shit [18:47] Tad: get me to B+ [18:47] Jump: ok [18:48] Jump: 25.50 so far [18:48] Tad: i put [18:48] Tad: aka jumperer in my orofile [18:48] Tad: lol [18:48] Tad: LOL [18:48] Jump: haha [18:48] Jump: im going to edit that [19:32] Jump: one more win [19:56] Tad: u won 97 points [19:56] Tad: thats like [19:56] Tad: 30 cents [19:56] Tad: LOL [19:56] Tad: ;p [19:56] Jump: i couldn't find anyone to play with [19:56] Jump: 2 dollars [20:01] Tad: lol [20:02] Tad: .75 [20:02] Tad: 1.75 [20:03] Jump: ok good enough [20:03] Jump: now i have 25.50+1.75 [20:32] *** "Tad" signed off at Sun Aug 02 20:32:07 2009. [20:34] *** "Tad" signed on at Sun Aug 02 20:34:22 2009. [20:39] Tad: yes sir [20:39] *** Auto-response sent to Tad: I am currently idle. [21:25] Tad: jumper
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 09 20:28:44 2009 [20:28] Tad: get me to fuckin B [20:28] Jump: you still owe me 10 dollars [20:28] Tad: stfu [20:29] Tad: ill pay u
I also smurfed for him in CWs and other random games against gosus for money of course. But I stopped doing that because he stopped paying me and plus its somewhat lame and i didn't feel like doing it anymore. I was gonna make a post declaring that I'm not yelloh but I changed my mind at the last second. He wasn't really doing any real harm(until now anyway) and its not like I really know anyone in the elite non korean community. I guess he turned to hacking when he no longer could get me to smurf for him. He created a world of lies and had to hack to back it up.
so yea, I'm not npnl.yelloh or iownyouez. If you see him around, just ask him to log into any of my Jumper's name. He won't be able to do it because he doesn't know the password to it.
Although I did give him one of my smurf's name because he would not stop msging me every second asking for pw of Jumper]ex[ account. In a true jackass fashion, he changed the pw of that smurf name. So i started trusting him less and less after that incident.
Furthermore, It would be extremely stupid for me to change my name to something like yelloh and then tell people I'm Jumper, wouldn't it? I had absolutely 0 reason to change my name.
All I want to know is, who is "Tad". Bragging about your f list is pretty fucking said, expecially if you're no where near their skill level.
tad is yellow]i[ aka npnl.yellow npnl.yelloh, hes an ok guy i guess but he cares too much about BW... i always knew he hacked back on west but i didnt know he did it now
and no.. his accounts with B/B- w/e are never legit
Wth. Mori600? Thats my friend. No wonder he couldn't log into it. And no he isn't a hacker. Just some odd problem with his launcher then kept dcing him from b.net because of a memory problem every game.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
yelloh also paid me to play SC on his npnl.yelloh account, to boost his ego. I stopped playing for him since he stopped paying me.He also takeover my identity by pretending to be me. Wasn't part of the deal but I didn't really care, in fact I thought it was hilarious how he managed to fool everyone without managing to log in into any of my Jumper name. So yea he developed a connections with foreign gosus
[18:55] Tad: rit [18:55] Tad: u there? [18:56] Jump: yea [18:56] Tad: yo rit [18:56] Tad: im gonna pay u thursday night [18:56] Tad: ok? [18:56] Jump: ok [18:56] Tad: ccool [18:57] Tad: yo [18:57] Tad: i got some gosu ass people on my f list now [18:57] Tad: lol [18:57] Tad: morrow [18:57] Tad: ret [18:57] Tad: tls [18:57] Tad: louder [18:57] Tad: im in the clique now [18:57] Jump: wtf [18:57] Tad: LOL [18:57] Jump: haha [18:57] Jump: i could never get in [18:58] Jump: they say i cheese too much [18:58] Tad: why not [18:58] Tad: LOL [18:58] Jump: remember G5 [18:58] Jump: hahh [18:58] Tad: yea [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: lastshadow is my good pal now [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Tad: i prActice with him [18:58] Tad: i even got tasteless on f list [18:58] Tad: rofl [18:58] Jump: wtf [18:58] Jump: how did you do this [18:58] Tad: im the man [18:58] Tad: morrow is fucking gosu [18:58] Tad: hes cool tho [18:59] Jump: i played with morrow [18:59] Jump: on iccup [18:59] Jump: and again in a tournament [18:59] Jump: lost to him 2-3 [18:59] Tad: thing is [18:59] Jump: he is good [18:59] Tad: i kind of told morrow [18:59] Tad: i was you [18:59] Tad: jumper [18:59] Tad: rofl [18:59] Jump: haha you jackass [18:59] Tad: LOL [18:59] Jump: you owe me 25 more dollars or i'll sue you for identity theft [18:59] Tad: HAHA [18:59] Jump: lol [19:00] Tad: but srsly [19:00] Tad: i obs a game today [19:00] Tad: tls vs bisu [19:00] Tad: rofl [19:00] Jump: the real bisu? [19:00] Tad: yea [19:00] Tad: the actual bisu [19:00] Jump: what map [19:00] Tad: desti [19:00] Tad: i wanna get lz on my f list [19:01] Tad: but hes not even that good is he [19:01] Jump: he is A- [19:01] Tad: yea [19:01] Jump: get paid to play the game [19:01] Tad: really? [19:01] Jump: yea [19:01] Jump: he is in clan EG [19:01] Tad: they get paid? [19:01] Jump: they pay people [19:01] Jump: yep [19:01] Tad: wtf [19:01] Jump: G5 machine etc is in it [19:01] Jump: they send them equipments too [19:01] Tad: how much? [19:01] Jump: no idea [19:01] Jump: you have to find out [19:01] Tad: i will [19:01] Tad: lol [19:01] Tad: i got EG louder [19:01] Tad: on f list [19:01] Tad: and incontrol [19:02] Tad: too bad i suck ass [19:02] Tad: and can never play them [19:02] Tad: rofl [19:02] Tad: dude [19:02] Tad: if u ever wanna play them [19:02] Tad: log on my npnl name [19:02] Tad: lol [19:03] Jump: haha [19:03] Jump: they see your B- and they want to be your friend [19:03] Tad: im only C+ now [19:03] Tad: i lost it [19:03] Tad: go on a name and give me a win [19:03] Tad: so on thursday +2.50 [19:03] Jump: i'll get to it [19:03] Tad: it will be 26.40 [19:03] Tad: 50 [19:03] Tad: the deal is still on [19:04] Tad: so if between now and then [19:04] Tad: u game [19:04] Tad: u get paid [19:06] Jump: im getting on [19:07] Tad: now? [19:07] Jump: if you are not on your name [19:08] Tad: there [19:08] Tad: im off
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sat Aug 01 21:16:55 2009 [21:16] Tad: did u see my f list [21:16] Tad: its gosu eh? [21:17] Jump: nah i didnt pay attention [21:17] Tad: lol [21:17] Jump: but some guy was talking to you on npnl clan [21:17] Tad: i got exactly [21:17] Tad: 6k points [21:17] Jump: i know [21:17] Jump: seriously [21:17] Tad: who was? [21:17] Tad: gomi? [21:17] Jump: dont remember [21:17] Jump: long name [21:17] Tad: npnl.machettii [21:17] Jump: yea [21:17] Tad: what wa she sayin [21:18] Jump: lol [21:18] Jump: a girl? [21:18] Tad: was he* [21:18] Jump: something about you playing 2v2 a lot [21:18] Tad: lol [21:18] Tad: i play 2v2 legit [21:18] Tad: and it sucks [21:18] Tad: rit [21:18] Tad: lets abuse iccup next season [21:18] Tad: i wanna get A- [21:18] Tad: is there a way u think? [21:19] Jump: nah [21:19] Jump: i'm gonna get A- the real men way [21:19] Tad: and then /transfer to me? [21:19] Jump: sure [21:19] Tad: nice [21:19] Tad: lol [21:19] Tad: morrow thinks im jumperer [21:19] Tad: LOL [21:20] Tad: i joined his game [21:20] Tad: and hes like [21:20] Tad: who are u some fan? [21:20] Tad: im like im jumperer bitch
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 02 18:47:48 2009 [18:47] Tad: rit [18:47] Tad: play some more games [18:47] Tad: on my shit [18:47] Tad: get me to B+ [18:47] Jump: ok [18:48] Jump: 25.50 so far [18:48] Tad: i put [18:48] Tad: aka jumperer in my orofile [18:48] Tad: lol [18:48] Tad: LOL [18:48] Jump: haha [18:48] Jump: im going to edit that [19:32] Jump: one more win [19:56] Tad: u won 97 points [19:56] Tad: thats like [19:56] Tad: 30 cents [19:56] Tad: LOL [19:56] Tad: ;p [19:56] Jump: i couldn't find anyone to play with [19:56] Jump: 2 dollars [20:01] Tad: lol [20:02] Tad: .75 [20:02] Tad: 1.75 [20:03] Jump: ok good enough [20:03] Jump: now i have 25.50+1.75 [20:32] *** "Tad" signed off at Sun Aug 02 20:32:07 2009. [20:34] *** "Tad" signed on at Sun Aug 02 20:34:22 2009. [20:39] Tad: yes sir [20:39] *** Auto-response sent to Tad: I am currently idle. [21:25] Tad: jumper
Session Start (Jumperer@gmail.com:Tad): Sun Aug 09 20:28:44 2009 [20:28] Tad: get me to fuckin B [20:28] Jump: you still owe me 10 dollars [20:28] Tad: stfu [20:29] Tad: ill pay u
I also smurfed for him in CWs and other random games against gosus for money of course. But I stopped doing that because he stopped paying me and plus its somewhat lame and i didn't feel like doing it anymore. I was gonna make a post declaring that I'm not yelloh but I changed my mind at the last second. He wasn't really doing any real harm(until now anyway) and its not like I really know anyone in the elite non korean community. I guess he turned to hacking when he no longer could get me to smurf for him. He created a world of lies and had to hack to back it up.
so yea, I'm not npnl.yelloh or iownyouez. If you see him around, just ask him to log into any of my Jumper's name. He won't be able to do it because he doesn't know the password to it.
Although I did give him one of my smurf's name because he would not stop msging me every second asking for pw of Jumper]ex[ account. In a true jackass fashion, he changed the pw of that smurf name. So i started trusting him less and less after that incident.
Furthermore, It would be extremely stupid for me to change my name to something like yelloh and then tell people I'm Jumper, wouldn't it? I had absolutely 0 reason to change my name.
All I want to know is, who is "Tad". Bragging about your f list is pretty fucking said, expecially if you're no where near their skill level.
tad is yellow]i[ aka npnl.yellow npnl.yelloh, hes an ok guy i guess but he cares too much about BW... i always knew he hacked back on west but i didnt know he did it now
and no.. his accounts with B/B- w/e are never legit
lol yelloh how pathetic. never took him as that kind of person.
lol @ spades. And to clear ret's thing like aura said, the acc was given to him to play 3-4 games while lzgamer and myself casted it. After that(and i guess before that) he never used that account.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
On August 31 2009 10:27 Kwark wrote: [quote] It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 12:15 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:13 IdrA wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:12 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:59 Masamune wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote: [quote] That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
no no, your posts are dumb. I suggest you read the thread over again. Clazz already admitted that he hacked, it's not just a suspicion.
Did you really not get what i meant? I MEAN he ADMITTED that he hacked WHEN the LIST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST OF HACKERS BUT A LIST OF SUSPICIOUS HACKERS... there i typed i t in caps, hopefully you understand now.
iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects
There i bolded the part where i said iccup's hack list is not official hopefully that helps you. Thanks good day sir.
Next time you call my posts dumb please double read my comments before makign yourself look like a Fool AGAIN!...
your post is still dumb. Big deal if it's not official. Nothing is official; there is always a sliver of a chance someone is innocent when they are accused of a crime. He still hacked, bottom line. I really don't know what you're getting at.
I would go on with this, but i feel like you're not using reasoning but trying to compete with my ego. So i'll let it go, good day sir.
Your lucky your English is that bad because no one can really tell what the hell you were originally trying to say. In your earlier posts, you were going on about how some people have less regard for some things than others and that if it's serious enough or they feel really guilty about it, they will admit it--and that Clazz probably didn't see it as something as bad so he didn't admit to it right away...I have no clue, it was totally off topic and some jumbled bullshit from your head.
Anyway....forget that. Onto what you're saying now. Clazz admitting he hacked after a list of suspected hackers came out as opposed to a confirmed list. There is a difference, yes, but to me, there's not much of a significant one. We KNOW that he did use hacks because he already admitted it and someone else said he even told him about it. Either he could have denied it now, and looked worse later when they somehow finalized it (because he did do it, it's only a matter of time before he would be caught), or he could just admit it now. He chose to admit it now. Simple as that. People have different personalities. Some people are scared of what can potentially happen when they do something wrong and run, others give up because they see there is no escaping. It's really based on the person, and I don't think admitting something after your either 99% caught or 100% caught makes a difference. This is just some trivial bs you're rambling on about because you want Clazz to stay.
For the record, I didn't know Clazz before this happened so I'm not completely affected by this and not that emotionally attached. If he comes back, fine, if not whatever. But if I were in that tl tourny he hacked in and if it affected my outcome, I wouldn't be pleased.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
That's actually dependent on the person and shows why you don't seem to a have a grasp of reality. Everyone has their own moral standard. Everyone has a different perspective on what doing something wrong means and how bad they will feel about it to confess their doings. Some people feel very guilty about cheating in tournaments, where people have trained long and hard for, and therefore don't do it. Just like some people feel bad about killing people and don't do it. Others may not feel as bad and will cheat in tournaments because "it's just a game" or kill people because "they deserved it".
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
That's actually dependent on the person and shows why you don't seem to a have a grasp of reality. Everyone has their own moral standard. Everyone has a different perspective on what doing something wrong means and how bad they will feel about it to confess their doings. Some people feel very guilty about cheating in tournaments, where people have trained long and hard for, and therefore don't do it. Just like some people feel bad about killing people and don't do it. Others may not feel as bad and will cheat in tournaments because "it's just a game" or kill people because "they deserved it".
There are extremes to both sides, don't you see i made the word "MOST" in caps? If you can think of times where kids go up to teachers after they've cheated on a test, you prove my generalization of human behavior on this aspect as incorrect. Also, you have no idea on my grasp of reality, especially after MISREADING my posts SEVERAL TIMES, please keep that out of the convo...
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
Okay, let me take another shot at this. Your post bounces from one idea to the other but you try to relate them which confuses me. No one is disagreeing with you that people confess only after they are suspected or caught. Clazz was "caught" (you can argue that it was suspected, but DNA fingerprinting isn't 100% accurate either, so you could also argue that it's only suspected and people try to use this as a defense) so what are you on about?
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
That's actually dependent on the person and shows why you don't seem to a have a grasp of reality. Everyone has their own moral standard. Everyone has a different perspective on what doing something wrong means and how bad they will feel about it to confess their doings. Some people feel very guilty about cheating in tournaments, where people have trained long and hard for, and therefore don't do it. Just like some people feel bad about killing people and don't do it. Others may not feel as bad and will cheat in tournaments because "it's just a game" or kill people because "they deserved it".
There are extremes to both sides, don't you see i made the word "MOST" in caps? If you can think of times where kids go up to teachers after they've cheated on a test, you prove my generalization of human behavior on this aspect as incorrect.
What the hell are you getting at? Who cares about proving your generalization? I don't disagree that people only admit to hacking after being suspected or caught. You're just responding to try and defend your ego which you alluded to earlier.
On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote: definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program.
Or maybe he is a hacker too.
This is the issue for me; how reliable is the list and what is the criteria. I find it very unsatisfactory to simply be told there are errors and they won't correct them nor be fucked to even take a look. It's the exact same lazy attitude ICCUP took with the "banning a city" debacle except in that instance people were insulting the ICCUP staff instead of cheering them. The bandwagon effect is far too overblown on TL and nobody ever seems to ask for the actual evidence or empirical proof. If it's someone you like, such as Ret, then of course he's smurfing or he's sharing accounts (of course I know Ret would not be hacking, but I'm making a point), but if it's a random guy nobody knows them BURN HIM AT THE STAKE. Then it turns out a semi-pro is ""hacking"" and suddenly it seems less likely that the method is 100% foolproof.
There are no libel rules on hack accusations. Suspicion is as bad as confirmation for a player. People will keep going "hey, weren't you the guy who hacked?" and even if each time it is denied other posters will keep reading it and repeating it until it becomes known 'truth'. Once your name goes on that list you can deny it, lose any public image you may still have and either get proved a hacker and a liar or just get treated like them anyway. Or you can admit it, say you regret it and move on into rebuilding your rep. Admitting it is always the best move, even if not guilty.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
Okay, let me take another shot at this. Your post bounces from one idea to the other but you try to relate them which confuses me. No one is disagreeing with you that people confess only after they are suspected or caught. Clazz was "caught" (you can argue that it was suspected, but DNA fingerprinting isn't 100% accurate either, so you could also argue that it's only suspected and people try to use this as a defense) so what are you on about?
Im saying that from manifesto's post earlier saying that he'd give mad respect to people who confesses of hacking BEFORE they're caught is not possible because people do not naturally feel this type of guilt in comparison to real life crimes.
Yes i agree not everything is 100% accurate, but c'mon you can't possibly compare the accuracy of DNA fingerprinting to a script written by a nerd for iccup to detect hackers, thats a joke.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
That's actually dependent on the person and shows why you don't seem to a have a grasp of reality. Everyone has their own moral standard. Everyone has a different perspective on what doing something wrong means and how bad they will feel about it to confess their doings. Some people feel very guilty about cheating in tournaments, where people have trained long and hard for, and therefore don't do it. Just like some people feel bad about killing people and don't do it. Others may not feel as bad and will cheat in tournaments because "it's just a game" or kill people because "they deserved it".
There are extremes to both sides, don't you see i made the word "MOST" in caps? If you can think of times where kids go up to teachers after they've cheated on a test, you prove my generalization of human behavior on this aspect as incorrect.
What the hell are you getting at? Who cares about proving your generalization? I don't disagree that people only admit to hacking after being suspected or caught. You're just responding to try and defend your ego which you alluded to earlier.
:Sigh: dont' you understand that when you say that people who kill and feel no guilt is an extreme? ................................................ kk im out for today, i wont reply to your posts anymore, cuz obviously you dont seem to read things clearly enough, and depending on me to re state everything at least twice.
It really pains me that people are saying they'd never expect mG people to be caught hacking... so disappointed, I'd never expect it too, and now everyone looks at us T.T
Masamune & Gladstone, Can you guys just stop with this stupid argument. I'm not going to take sides but it seems that for the last 3 pages you both are just saying the same thing over and over.
On August 31 2009 10:11 clazziquai wrote: I am going to be 100% honest: I did use the ICCUP Killer hack after I hit C.
I know I shouldn't have. I wanted C+ pretty badly and I tried to get it the easy way =\
It's all my fault though so I apologize if I have offended anyone in any way.
It's not being honest if you own up after you've been caught. That's damage limitation. Honesty is not doing it. Getting outed then saying sorry counts for nothing.
So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
And the WHOLE POINT of the original post you quoted is that that's not being honest. The point was that clazz wasn't being honest, he was just owning up after he got caught and that an honest person either wouldn't hack in the first place, or would own up before getting caught
Then you started talking about how noone ever fesses up before getting caught, which is a completely different from what was originally said and in no way refutes the point that you were arguing against
Let me summarize my point
I meant to say Things like Hacking in a game, we naturally do not possess the guilt to confess such things before getting caught. Guilts such as killing, ruining lives, we do. Again, its similar to cheating on a test. MOST do not confess of chaeting unless they are suspected or caught.
So what im getting to is, i believe its VERY unlikely that a person will confess before he is highly suspected or caught.
Okay, let me take another shot at this. Your post bounces from one idea to the other but you try to relate them which confuses me. No one is disagreeing with you that people confess only after they are suspected or caught. Clazz was "caught" (you can argue that it was suspected, but DNA fingerprinting isn't 100% accurate either, so you could also argue that it's only suspected and people try to use this as a defense) so what are you on about?
Im saying that from manifesto's post earlier saying that he'd give mad respect to people who confesses of hacking BEFORE they're caught is not possible because people do not naturally feel this type of guilt in comparison to real life crimes.
Yes i agree not everything is 100% accurate, but c'mon you can't possibly compare the accuracy of DNA fingerprinting to a script written by a nerd for iccup to detect hackers, thats a joke.
Admitting to hacking before getting caught is possible and I'm sure it happens. Like I said, it's your opinion that it's not much of a big deal in comparison to "ruining people's lives" and that probably explains why the 2008 olympics were so scandal ridden. People in this thread already admitted that they used hacks just to try it out without being on that list, so wtf are you on about?
Anyway, UNDERSTAND that people feel a proportional guilt to what they are doing with proportional consequences. If you get caught hacking (minor) you get banned from a game and a forum (minor). If you kill someone (major) you go to jail (major). In the first instance, you feel somewhat guilty, in the second, very guilty (again, it all depends on the person, but we'll just go along with this), but because the consequences are equivalent to the action, you will probably feel the need to confess just the same. Again, there many people who don't confess to killing people just like there are people who don't confess to hacking. Then there are people who do confess (maybe to get off easier because they know they are fucked) like someone with information on a crime they participated in or people in this thread who are afraid their names will pop up in the future.
Edit: I'll stop derailing the thread further, sorry.
ieS.Zarrr LOL KoB)rule LOL I won against him althought he hacked lololol no wonder the game was 40mins ++ and I've defenced almost all game long NrG.MayKa thought so T_T St)Vasilisk - T_T
hacking is like steroids of SC. A lot of pros are on it they just know how to cycle it properly^_^ what i mean by that is a loooot of people used it to get where they are at by working out their timing, they just never got caught(and stopped using it obv).
"I've been using hacks, I admit it, I'm sorry guys, it won't happen again."
What they meant:
"I'm sorry that I got caught using hacks, it won't happen again unless I'm sure that I can do it without being caught."
Not to say that somebody can't eventually come to regret their hacking, but an apology right after being caught in the act is ridiculous. It's like Governor Sanford BAWWWWWing about how he's so sorry he went to see a mistress in South America only after he got caught. It's obvious he's not sorry, he's just sorry he got caught. Will he eventually regret it later in his life, looking back? Maybe. But now? Haha, no.
Disappointing clazz, coming out of the CS scene I have absolutely no patience for cheaters(as if people in the SC do, but it's RIDICULOUSLY widespread in CS), but I'll still be willing to pug with you if you're on vent(allowed on vent).
On August 31 2009 14:46 Hinanawi wrote: Here come the crocodile tears.
What they said:
"I've been using hacks, I admit it, I'm sorry guys, it won't happen again."
What they meant:
"I'm sorry that I got caught using hacks, it won't happen again unless I'm sure that I can do it without being caught."
Not to say that somebody can't eventually come to regret their hacking, but an apology right after being caught in the act is ridiculous. It's like Governor Sanford BAWWWWWing about how he's so sorry he went to see a mistress in South America only after he got caught. It's obvious he's not sorry, he's just sorry he got caught. Will he eventually regret it later in his life, looking back? Maybe. But now? Haha, no.
Well, on a fair note, what did you expect him to say?
"Haha, I hacked you guys all suck"?
At least he admitted and apologized, whether it is sincere or not is another story.
Used to care about hackers but having resumed casual play and playing on east for a bit, I'm numb (the simple bwhf detects about 50% hacker ratio in 1v1 games), and simply play really tight. Hackers can try exploit my weaknesses but it should just make my defense better, even though I lose alot. The commnity should not tolerate hackers, personally I no longer care.
Off topic: Always thought one way in sc2 to prevent hack is to record ALL screen movements in replays. This may make the replay file big but seriously, i don't know what hack will be useful if hacker cannot scroll around to see things? (I don't know if for hackers minimap also shows or not but even then, it is not reliable and can be used to deceive the hacker)
thats weird vasilisk is on that list, hes played every iccup season with consistent results.. i dont see the reason for him to hack since he plays a lot of offline tourneys too. Maybe this hack isnt foolproof like idra said?
On August 19 2009 08:16 clazziquai wrote: The Quai Rush - TvP
I was in the middle of a regular TvP, but I had to go out to the mall to buy something. My mom told me that she would give me the ride. She then calls my cellphone and tells me to get ready in 5 minutes.
Being at C level and one game loss is -75 points I really don't want to just leave, so I go all-in.
Smart people dont believe everything they read or hear. Im sure there is a lot of mistakes in all of this accuses. Im pretty sure about one of them. iMp-HolyZerg dont hack. Im not saying because he is my teammate or something , im just more than positive this is not the case.
The thing I hate most about hacker defenders is that they always pull some shit like "maybe he just wanted to eff around!? PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS!"
Dudes, you just don't hack. The game is fun to play WITHOUT hacks. How about you play the game for fun the way it was supposed to be played and quit having fun gipping people out of a fair game and wasting their fucking god damn time. It's this attitude that it's "OK" in non serious games that makes non serious games such a crap shoot and leaves doubt. That mentality also sneaks into high level matches... if you learn hacking, you'll play all your matches hacking if you don't get caught.
About Clazz, it sucks because he was a great poster, but fuckkkkkk, to get from C to C+!!?!?! Wtf. It's so fucking stupid that the permaban is totally justified. How about just being happy at C and working to improve? Like wtfffffffff. My brain doesn't even comprehend. I really want to get to C! I'm low D+! But fuckkkk I'm not gonna hack jesus christ, how does that even make sense. I wanna get better, I'll hack my way up a rank or two. wtffff
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
lol... perfect for the situation.. just gotta take him out on a boat now . Ah fuck.. Clazz... come on .
On August 31 2009 16:54 iMp.will. wrote: Smart people dont believe everything they read or hear. Im sure there is a lot of mistakes in all of this accuses. Im pretty sure about one of them. iMp-HolyZerg dont hack. Im not saying because he is my teammate or something , im just more than positive this is not the case.
Yet you said yourself it is a team shared account, as many teams probably have, so how can you take 100% responsibility on this? There were other teams who thought their teammates were hack-free before this list but they took responsibility and kicked them.
I think its interesting that in an age where Scotland shows compassion to a terrorist Teamliquid is unwilling to show compassion towards one of their most prized members.
But yeah, I'm not trying to defend his actions, Clazz is completely responsible for his own fate. I just happen to be in the opinion that second chances are important for people to have. I say give Clazz a one year ban with maybe an avatar that shows he's a cheater.
Edit: Maybe you could partial ban him. Ban him from the Strategy, Broodwar and tournament forum, but let him keep his blog (and maybe allow him to post in general). His offense was Starcraft related, not life related. Therefore he should be forbidden to talk about Starcraft.
yeah son, even x17 kicked evets whos been around for years.. obviously many people started hacking with this latest hack coming out, some of them played icup legit before since they had no other choice.. but hacking once is all it takes to lose credibility and its completely justified. My only problem is accusing someone who did not hack, thats why we have to find out how good this method is
whys everyone so serious? its great that they found alot of hackers but only people seem to be shocked is @ like 5-10ppl max out of 230+ lets face it, in iccup.com it shows that only 10-12 B ranks has been caught n rest 30 C and 200+D's since they are saying they will track down the IP n find the AKA, fun has begun. lets just wait and see the bigger fishes.
On August 31 2009 16:54 iMp.will. wrote: Smart people dont believe everything they read or hear. Im sure there is a lot of mistakes in all of this accuses. Im pretty sure about one of them. iMp-HolyZerg dont hack. Im not saying because he is my teammate or something , im just more than positive this is not the case.
Yet you said yourself it is a team shared account, as many teams probably have, so how can you take 100% responsibility on this? There were other teams who thought their teammates were hack-free before this list but they took responsibility and kicked them.
I know them well so im more than positive they dont use hacks eh? I've been playing with them for ages and i trust them fucking a lot to play from one account with them. UNK said himself this thing is not 100% positive so where is your proof man? I can collect replays in a snap , will you unblock the account ?
On August 31 2009 10:40 Chill wrote: Sorry Clazz. Had to be done.
was the ban so necessary ;-( there are unbanned hackers on this site
lol good call
Also, I hope much isn't right about the anti-hack program detecting brainservers launcher or other launchers, as hacks. In that case this whole ordeal would get a bit embarrassing.
Then again Clazziquai confessed. TL should pay one of these hacking sites a visit btw
On August 31 2009 11:58 masami.sc wrote: It was a momentarily lapse in judgment. He saw an easier road and took it, temporarily oblivious to future consequences. Don't we all make such mistakes?
On August 31 2009 11:58 masami.sc wrote: It was a momentarily lapse in judgment. He saw an easier road and took it, temporarily oblivious to future consequences. Don't we all make such mistakes?
Actually no, we don't all make such mistakes.
Oops, maybe he forgot no one else is as perfect as you.
On August 31 2009 16:54 iMp.will. wrote: Smart people dont believe everything they read or hear. Im sure there is a lot of mistakes in all of this accuses. Im pretty sure about one of them. iMp-HolyZerg dont hack. Im not saying because he is my teammate or something , im just more than positive this is not the case.
Yet you said yourself it is a team shared account, as many teams probably have, so how can you take 100% responsibility on this? There were other teams who thought their teammates were hack-free before this list but they took responsibility and kicked them.
I know them well so im more than positive they dont use hacks eh? I've been playing with them for ages and i trust them fucking a lot to play from one account with them. UNK said himself this thing is not 100% positive so where is your proof man? I can collect replays in a snap , will you unblock the account ?
He said it is not 100% positive? Where? He says it is not perfect, in reference to people still being able to get away with hacking on iCCup - nowhere does he say there are false positives, only that "there is no other explanation but hacking.".
On August 31 2009 11:58 masami.sc wrote: It was a momentarily lapse in judgment. He saw an easier road and took it, temporarily oblivious to future consequences. Don't we all make such mistakes?
Actually no, we don't all make such mistakes.
Oops, maybe he forgot no one else is as perfect as you.
Don't be ridiculous man. Would you agree everyone here hacks?
On August 31 2009 17:05 Athos wrote: I think its interesting that in an age where Scotland shows compassion to a terrorist Teamliquid is unwilling to show compassion towards one of their most prized members.
But yeah, I'm not trying to defend his actions, Clazz is completely responsible for his own fate. I just happen to be in the opinion that second chances are important for people to have. I say give Clazz a one year ban with maybe an avatar that shows he's a cheater.
Edit: Maybe you could partial ban him. Ban him from the Strategy, Broodwar and tournament forum, but let him keep his blog (and maybe allow him to post in general). His offense was Starcraft related, not life related. Therefore he should be forbidden to talk about Starcraft.
Scotland was fucking stupid about that so I don't really see how that helps your point.
On August 31 2009 11:58 masami.sc wrote: It was a momentarily lapse in judgment. He saw an easier road and took it, temporarily oblivious to future consequences. Don't we all make such mistakes?
Actually no, we don't all make such mistakes.
Oops, maybe he forgot no one else is as perfect as you.
Don't be ridiculous man. Would you agree everyone here hacks?
You are being an idiot if you think that a judgment lapse in a video game is something so egregious that nobody in the world could ever do the same due to its heinous nature
On August 31 2009 11:58 masami.sc wrote: It was a momentarily lapse in judgment. He saw an easier road and took it, temporarily oblivious to future consequences. Don't we all make such mistakes?
Actually no, we don't all make such mistakes.
Oops, maybe he forgot no one else is as perfect as you.
Don't be ridiculous man. Would you agree everyone here hacks?
He didn't mean hacking, he ment making mistakes that people don't think about -_-
On August 31 2009 17:06 jinnyjinn wrote: whys everyone so serious? its great that they found alot of hackers but only people seem to be shocked is @ like 5-10ppl max out of 230+ lets face it, in iccup.com it shows that only 10-12 B ranks has been caught n rest 30 C and 200+D's since they are saying they will track down the IP n find the AKA, fun has begun. lets just wait and see the bigger fishes.
Well at Iccup u also play cw's, tourneys etc.
On that list theres 0 my friends, RESPECT !
Also every 2v2 player on that list is a hacker.For confirmation, go idle on ladder 2x2 chan for a bit.
Mwell... How to deal with hackers... Obviously they are ruining the game for others, but being a hacker does not equal being a bad person. If it were me I imagine I'd permaban them simply to send a clear message and to hurt the offender enough to make the lesson stick. But I don't run TL and I dont want to, because no rules are harder to follow than your own, especially when the hackers aren't really bad guys. Hacking isn't evil. It's merely most uncool, dude.
Would be cool if ICCup admins reavelad aka's / countries of all the banned players so we can totally get rid of them. Anyway, funny list, noone of my friends was fount there, so I'm pretty happy, kek.
There is a guy in that list that doesn't hack. We were playing at a lan party and he got the message "your connection to bnet has been lost" but for the rest of the people in the game it showed "(...) starcraft memory has been changed" or something like that. We all stood up looking at each other and went to check his computer and there were no hacks whatsoever. I think your anti-hack method has some obvious flaws.
What WeSt described constantly happened to my friend when we played. Don't know why, might have been because he was trying to use chaos launcher, but he doesn't hack. Yet now he is banned.
On August 31 2009 18:29 zergnewb wrote: What WeSt described constantly happened to my friend when we played. Don't know why, might have been because he was trying to use chaos launcher, but he doesn't hack. Yet now he is banned.
Thats not reason they got banned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They hacked. I have got that "ur connection lost" xx times, I dont hack, I am not on that list. Same with my friends who dont hack.
On August 31 2009 18:38 iCCup.deL wrote: I reckon I could take you with hacks, Cam >: D
Actually no, because I had the BO win and you still beat me in that ZvZ :o
Around 4 ZvZ's actually :O.
Yeah but only one was a BO win for me (which I then proceeded to lose ). I will get you one day... When I get my desktop and lag-free internet back I am coming for you
Come on guys this topic isn't all about clazz.. How about these other hackers found : MGMT, iG.Voltron = Fassw Fassw-x17 still can't give up hacking eh? What's this the one billionth time you got caught? imjiraya - Funny i accused you in our 2v2 games and u spaz me in channel playing mr.innocent and getting your butt buddies to spaz me. Eat it kid. S.pg)nico Rofl again? When will u ever stop hacking?
I knew this day would come. I even made a list of hackers who dl'ed the maphack on GG.net some other names included was Ret and Idra (Funny how he started winning all these tournies eh?) Lastshadow, G5. There will be more names to come. Then GG.net closed forum and ban me cause they thought i was throwing out names w/o proof. But i did. I couldn't just release people's ip over the internet. Suckers.
On August 31 2009 19:06 Universalmedia wrote: I knew this day would come. I even made a list of hackers who dl'ed the maphack on GG.net some other names included was Ret and Idra (Funny how he started winning all these tournies eh?)
uh, SC-maven? I thought Idra started winning because of Korea?
In no way am i saying they're constantly hacking. Only source i have is they dl'ed the hack ok? And just because some people may do well offline or prove they can play offline and in live tournies doesn't mean they'll never hack online. Use your brain. Actually i should just respond to people who has a brain. Perfect example: remember Trek?
It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
Ret obviously hacks, how could he else play on A-/A level on iCCup when streaming to over 400 viewers almost everyday? We all saw it! Seriously to say Idra and Ret cheats is just supid. Idra could have been be able to cheat with that cape from Harry Potter to turn invisible and sit besides Skyhigh unnoticed and hack. Idra if you manage to do that you are my new hero! Also give that cape to research I want one!
On August 31 2009 11:26 YPang wrote: [quote] So what you expect hackers to do? Come out on a random day and create a thread and apologize for hacking randomly? of course no one is gonna do that. Have you EVER seen anyone do something like that, confessing before they were caught? I haven't.
It's sorta like cheating on a test, you did it once cuz you were tempted, and then felt guilty about it. But MOST LIKELY you're not going to go up to the class and confess that you cheated, you'll just have the guilt inside. And when someone catches you cheating, you'll have to apologize and thats the best you can do.
That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 12:15 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:13 IdrA wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:12 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:59 Masamune wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:47 YPang wrote: [quote]
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
no no, your posts are dumb. I suggest you read the thread over again. Clazz already admitted that he hacked, it's not just a suspicion.
Did you really not get what i meant? I MEAN he ADMITTED that he hacked WHEN the LIST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST OF HACKERS BUT A LIST OF SUSPICIOUS HACKERS... there i typed i t in caps, hopefully you understand now.
iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects
There i bolded the part where i said iccup's hack list is not official hopefully that helps you. Thanks good day sir.
Next time you call my posts dumb please double read my comments before makign yourself look like a Fool AGAIN!...
your post is still dumb. Big deal if it's not official. Nothing is official; there is always a sliver of a chance someone is innocent when they are accused of a crime. He still hacked, bottom line. I really don't know what you're getting at.
I would go on with this, but i feel like you're not using reasoning but trying to compete with my ego. So i'll let it go, good day sir.
Your lucky your English is that bad because no one can really tell what the hell you were originally trying to say. In your earlier posts, you were going on about how some people have less regard for some things than others and that if it's serious enough or they feel really guilty about it, they will admit it--and that Clazz probably didn't see it as something as bad so he didn't admit to it right away...I have no clue, it was totally off topic and some jumbled bullshit from your head.
Anyway....forget that. Onto what you're saying now. Clazz admitting he hacked after a list of suspected hackers came out as opposed to a confirmed list. There is a difference, yes, but to me, there's not much of a significant one. We KNOW that he did use hacks because he already admitted it and someone else said he even told him about it. Either he could have denied it now, and looked worse later when they somehow finalized it (because he did do it, it's only a matter of time before he would be caught), or he could just admit it now. He chose to admit it now. Simple as that. People have different personalities. Some people are scared of what can potentially happen when they do something wrong and run, others give up because they see there is no escaping. It's really based on the person, and I don't think admitting something after your either 99% caught or 100% caught makes a difference. This is just some trivial bs you're rambling on about because you want Clazz to stay.
For the record, I didn't know Clazz before this happened so I'm not completely affected by this and not that emotionally attached. If he comes back, fine, if not whatever. But if I were in that tl tourny he hacked in and if it affected my outcome, I wouldn't be pleased.
On August 31 2009 18:29 zergnewb wrote: What WeSt described constantly happened to my friend when we played. Don't know why, might have been because he was trying to use chaos launcher, but he doesn't hack. Yet now he is banned.
Thats not reason they got banned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They hacked. I have got that "ur connection lost" xx times, I dont hack, I am not on that list. Same with my friends who dont hack.
I agree. I get that massege in at least 20% of my games, because my internet sucks and I am not on the list.
edit
But I've played only 2 games this weekend, so if it was done just in that time I can't guarantee.
On August 31 2009 19:17 iMp.will. wrote: It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
You dumb? Did You even read the method of how iccup admins caught all of the hackers or not really?
On August 31 2009 11:42 sixghost wrote: [quote] That's the point. If he was really sorry about it he would have admitted it before he was outed. He's just sorry he got caught, not that he hacked.
Clazz
Yes, this is only the case if someone did something that he KNEW he 100% shouldn't of, most of the time only do people confess themselves is when they've commited a murder, or hurt an entire family.
Hacking on a game, i believe is similar to cheating on a test, or lying to a friend, these are the things that you probably won't randomly confess until you are highly suspected ( even in this case iccup's list is not an official list of hackers, ONLY highly suspicious, and thats when clazziquai admitted that he was hacking). The guilt would NEVER be big enough for someone to go up and confess like that.
EDIT: if you hacked like a mofo in a money tournament and WON it, its different.
God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, and permanent ban punishment i believe is too harsh, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
On August 31 2009 12:15 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:13 IdrA wrote:
On August 31 2009 12:12 YPang wrote:
On August 31 2009 11:59 Masamune wrote: [quote] God this post is so dumb. Hacking is 100% wrong, so is murder and everything else bad. Some are worse than others, but in a perfect would they wouldn't exist. If you can convince yourself that hacking is only 90% wrong (I don't know why I'm using these dumb percentages, I think I'm just trying to respond to your post..) you deserve to face the consequences.
Its not dumb, if you would read my entire posts prior to this you'd know that i was responding to kwark's comment of people confessing before they're caught hacking. And when have i said its only 90% wrong, or not totally wrong?
If you were to confess for everyone of your sins/wrong doings, you'd be doing it for 5 hours a day. A lot of mistakes people make are just not big enough for them to have enough guilt to confess like that, especially to a community they've spent COUNTLESSS HOURS ON. I do believe clazz should be punished, but not Permanetly banned. Plus as a said earlier, iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects. CLazziqual had the balls to admit at that time (unlike Much) which i give him mad props for.
If you're going to respond to this post, i suggest you read this thread more thoroughly before you make a fool out of yourself. Again.
how does it take balls to admit to something after getting caught
he's not technically caught, just suspected. If it was spades, or much he'd still be denying no?
no no, your posts are dumb. I suggest you read the thread over again. Clazz already admitted that he hacked, it's not just a suspicion.
Did you really not get what i meant? I MEAN he ADMITTED that he hacked WHEN the LIST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LIST OF HACKERS BUT A LIST OF SUSPICIOUS HACKERS... there i typed i t in caps, hopefully you understand now.
iccup's hack list is NOT official, but only suspects
There i bolded the part where i said iccup's hack list is not official hopefully that helps you. Thanks good day sir.
Next time you call my posts dumb please double read my comments before makign yourself look like a Fool AGAIN!...
your post is still dumb. Big deal if it's not official. Nothing is official; there is always a sliver of a chance someone is innocent when they are accused of a crime. He still hacked, bottom line. I really don't know what you're getting at.
I would go on with this, but i feel like you're not using reasoning but trying to compete with my ego. So i'll let it go, good day sir.
Your lucky your English is that bad because no one can really tell what the hell you were originally trying to say. In your earlier posts, you were going on about how some people have less regard for some things than others and that if it's serious enough or they feel really guilty about it, they will admit it--and that Clazz probably didn't see it as something as bad so he didn't admit to it right away...I have no clue, it was totally off topic and some jumbled bullshit from your head.
Anyway....forget that. Onto what you're saying now. Clazz admitting he hacked after a list of suspected hackers came out as opposed to a confirmed list. There is a difference, yes, but to me, there's not much of a significant one. We KNOW that he did use hacks because he already admitted it and someone else said he even told him about it. Either he could have denied it now, and looked worse later when they somehow finalized it (because he did do it, it's only a matter of time before he would be caught), or he could just admit it now. He chose to admit it now. Simple as that. People have different personalities. Some people are scared of what can potentially happen when they do something wrong and run, others give up because they see there is no escaping. It's really based on the person, and I don't think admitting something after your either 99% caught or 100% caught makes a difference. This is just some trivial bs you're rambling on about because you want Clazz to stay.
For the record, I didn't know Clazz before this happened so I'm not completely affected by this and not that emotionally attached. If he comes back, fine, if not whatever. But if I were in that tl tourny he hacked in and if it affected my outcome, I wouldn't be pleased.
On August 31 2009 19:17 iMp.will. wrote: It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
hahahahah is it really that serious?
If I saved two people and killed one in cold blood for no reason should I not go to jail or be punished?
On August 31 2009 19:17 iMp.will. wrote: It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
i loled at this post.
I would lol 2 if i see your face. They have updated the launcher and now they catch hackers , nice explanation. HolyZerg uses skill hack obviously.
On August 31 2009 16:44 food wrote: thats weird vasilisk is on that list, hes played every iccup season with consistent results.. i dont see the reason for him to hack since he plays a lot of offline tourneys too. Maybe this hack isnt foolproof like idra said?
I was in the middle of a regular TvP, but I had to go out to the mall to buy something. My mom told me that she would give me the ride. She then calls my cellphone and tells me to get ready in 5 minutes.
Being at C level and one game loss is -75 points I really don't want to just leave, so I go all-in.
WELL, HOW I DISCOVERED THIS...
anyways HAHA i tricked you fools~ Cheat-Walk on
and im SCOFFIN at you guis
Sick Monster rofl. Do you beat a dead dog? (food not clazzi) R.I.P clazzi I miss you already.
That's some amazing clowning as well btw. Where can I find a c-tutorial.
On August 31 2009 19:17 iMp.will. wrote: It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
i loled at this post.
I would lol 2 if i see your face. They have updated the launcher and now they catch hackers , nice explanation. HolyZerg uses skill hack obviously.
Well he must be using some 3rd party program in corelation with the Antihack even though you don't need any to play starcraft.
so many new hacker , hope you guy stop and start play legit , that way more fun play legit that using hack . i know because i also used hack before , but stoped after some time .
the game realy more fun playing legit too , stop care about stats that much and play for fun , you are not going to korea anyway so what the use ?
rofl im so glad people got caught for this... poor evets got caught hacking again and fassw is horrible and anyone who isnt retarded knew that he couldnt get a-
On August 31 2009 19:17 iMp.will. wrote: It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
i loled at this post.
I would lol 2 if i see your face. They have updated the launcher and now they catch hackers , nice explanation. HolyZerg uses skill hack obviously.
He hacked, just eat this, he's bad without 3rd programs.
On August 31 2009 10:48 krom44 wrote: Clazz, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
the fact that he was a valuable member of this community? if you looked through the thread you would see that, alot of people saying they're gonna miss him etc.
Well it does matter. A girl offered blowjob to me if I got C+ rank. All I needed was 1 win to get from C to C+. Played on last hour vs iMp-Holyzerg and lost .
On August 31 2009 20:39 kroko wrote: Well it does matter. A girl offered blowjob to me if I got C+ rank. All I needed was 1 win to get from C to C+. Played on last hour vs iMp-Holyzerg and lost .
a question related to the sc-crashes problem which according to rage is related to the iccup ah launcher: so what caused the crashes (was it something like the launcher being unable to update secretly, (i for example rarely use iccup ah launcher and like to go the chaos launcher's iccup option (i like to switch to the sc 1.161 option for more plugins (apm, so i see playername when selecting units) when watching replays and being able to switch back for iccup when playing without running 2 launchers) instead (could that cause the ah to be unable to update f.e. thus leading to desync with different ah versions running?)
.... so could someone (i guess Rage would be the one to ask) clarify what caused the crashes now that there is no more need for secrecy?
On August 31 2009 19:17 iMp.will. wrote: It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
i loled at this post.
WoW he got acused many times of hack later he get busted with the secret iccup method are you fucking blind and retarded! !? This is not funny its sad....
On August 31 2009 14:22 Xeris wrote: NrG and iG hackers are funny, and Vasilisk is REALLY surprising, as is Zarrr... he was such an old player O_O
zarrr has been caught like a billion times lol. he just came back very recently after disappearing from the scene when he got caught in the last hacker sweep. and of course he claimed to be hack free as usual :D
On August 31 2009 20:39 kroko wrote: Well it does matter. A girl offered blowjob to me if I got C+ rank. All I needed was 1 win to get from C to C+. Played on last hour vs iMp-Holyzerg and lost .
250 people will use this as their reason for hacking when Rekrul calls them newbies for using a maphack to move from C to C+ this week.
On August 31 2009 20:39 kroko wrote: Well it does matter. A girl offered blowjob to me if I got C+ rank. All I needed was 1 win to get from C to C+. Played on last hour vs iMp-Holyzerg and lost .
i don't believe that St)Vasilisk( is a hacker. just 'guilty'? that's all explanation. i'll agree if someone gives me any evidence that he's a hacker. meanwhile you can download about 1k replays of Vasilisk's games this summer and make your own decision. + Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2009 16:44 food wrote: thats weird vasilisk is on that list, hes played every iccup season with consistent results.. i dont see the reason for him to hack since he plays a lot of offline tourneys too. Maybe this hack isnt foolproof like idra said?
I was in the middle of a regular TvP, but I had to go out to the mall to buy something. My mom told me that she would give me the ride. She then calls my cellphone and tells me to get ready in 5 minutes.
Being at C level and one game loss is -75 points I really don't want to just leave, so I go all-in.
WELL, HOW I DISCOVERED THIS...
anyways HAHA i tricked you fools~ Cheat-Walk on
and im SCOFFIN at you guis
That's not beating a dead dog, that's gold. Touche my good sir.
On August 31 2009 21:58 Vo-one wrote: i don't believe that St)Vasilisk( is a hacker. just 'guilty'? that's all explanation. i'll agree if someone gives me any evidence that he's a hacker. meanwhile you can download about 1k replays of Vasilisk's games this summer and make your own decision. + Show Spoiler +
im sorry to ask such a noobish question, but what happens to you if you're ip banned from tl.net? you cant visit the site? lol but i seriously want to know.
On August 31 2009 21:58 Vo-one wrote: i don't believe that St)Vasilisk( is a hacker. just 'guilty'? that's all explanation. i'll agree if someone gives me any evidence that he's a hacker. meanwhile you can download about 1k replays of Vasilisk's games this summer and make your own decision. + Show Spoiler +
Clazzi was like "I wanted C+ so badly, thought I'd get it the easy way."
Wtf, do you actually want to get better at starcraft, or do you just want to pretend to be good at starcraft to feed your ego?
What sense of personal satisfaction do you get by getting to C+ using hacks? You can't exactly brag about how you're so awesome, because C+ isn't like "omg wow so awesome" compared to C.
omg i never use or dl hack program Its maybe advloader for sc2tv server or 7x launcher for cd key. I can give anyone all my replays to view. This situation realy stupid
All these people who got caught and are denying that they hacked, let me just say this.
You guys must be related to sMi.Spades
Same shit when someone found a way to detect Oblivion with BWChart. A bunch of people kept denying they hacked, until one by one they all confessed except Spades.
— If you are caught hacking, you won't be able to play ICCup ladder nor our tournaments, with any account. You will be ipbanned, and it won't matter if you have dynamic IP. You won't be able to play with another account.
— After 1 season or 3 months, you will be able to play again, but you won't be allowed to play again with your old account name. For example: hayprO. The nick «HayprO» will be permanently banned, even with subtle character changes, say: «HaiprO», «haypr0», etc. You will have to use a total diferent account.
— If you are caught hacking again, you will be banned forever and your team will be kicked out from the league for 1 season.
new season is coming, so all of those hackers or "hacker" will get another chanse to become good boys or fuck up at all. Shit can't sink.
From iccup admins' point it looks like iccup launcher with it's antihack is gosu godmade software and they don't care about compatibility with other harmless programs.
On August 31 2009 20:39 kroko wrote: Well it does matter. A girl offered blowjob to me if I got C+ rank. All I needed was 1 win to get from C to C+. Played on last hour vs iMp-Holyzerg and lost .
On September 01 2009 02:00 Vo-one wrote: From iccup admins' point it looks like iccup launcher with it's antihack is gosu godmade software and they don't care about compatibility with other harmless programs.
sorry for this, we will make it compatible with your beloved oblivion for sure
On August 31 2009 20:39 kroko wrote: Well it does matter. A girl offered blowjob to me if I got C+ rank. All I needed was 1 win to get from C to C+. Played on last hour vs iMp-Holyzerg and lost .
On August 31 2009 20:39 kroko wrote: Well it does matter. A girl offered blowjob to me if I got C+ rank. All I needed was 1 win to get from C to C+. Played on last hour vs iMp-Holyzerg and lost .
On August 30 2009 23:30 GoSu wrote: iCCup shoudl create something to see cheat or what.
GoSu i knew u were a progamer in korea, i did NOT know that you were a psychic
nice
One day long long time ago, I was obsering rekrul and Brattsunami, in that game rekrul have like 4 scv and a shit load of marines on tsunami's ramp. I said go drone drill him!!!!!! and rekrul's like WTF? drone drill with marines????????? I'm like ya I saw yellow did it. and rekrul's like against Marines???????? and then rekrul got lurker drop while he's typing and GGed.
Ive always been curious as to why people hack. I admit that I myself once back in like the 2000-2001 year range I heard about hacks and wondered. So I dled a hack and played 1 game on US east vs some random terran with it. It was just....weird and unnatural this "advantage" I lost the game because I spent most of the game just staring at the terrans base. The game was just not fun in anyway. The terran was around my level and was going heavy Gols for whatever reason and I ended the game by suiciding my muta glob on his Gols. After that I uninstalled the hack and never was tempted again.
I never really played competitively tho so I guess that is where motivation can come from. I just played the old WGT here and there and it was fun to just play on equal level with ppl to see where I was at. Its a sad thing that people are tempted by this but they are human and for whatever reason they succumb to the many temptations of the internet.
Hackers cheapen the game, I just wish people could see that.
On August 31 2009 19:17 iMp.will. wrote: It's so funny i cant stand this. Some horrible wannabe korean losing a game to HolyZerg crying that he hacks in iccup site and some other newbie losing to him too. If that is your solid proof for hacking then you guys are the best. Some admin decides to fuck up somebody 'reputation' putting him in hackers list without even giving one replay where he hacked ( they dont have anything obviously)
You dumb? Did You even read the method of how iccup admins caught all of the hackers or not really?
Are people really so goddamned stupid that they still cannot accept that there are flaws in the method? It's pretty damn clear that if someone is on the list for "hacking" when they were PUT on the list for hacking in the MIDDLE OF A LAN TOURNAMENT and had a ton of other people come look at their PHYSICAL COMPUTER and determine they were not hacking that they...weren't hacking. Is anyone who is accusing others of "not reading" the "method" aware that they didn't even explain the method AND they said it's not foolproof, but they just can't be fucked to check any of the results? This is all outlined in the very short 2 paragraph writeup on iccup. Just goes to show that anything over a couple sentences is ignored by the majority of internet readers (hello to my post, it will be ignored).
Why hack when you can pay Jumper to rank you from C to C+ or higher. Hell even i could do that for you. I make money, you don't get banned, everyone wins.
I think ICCUP should publicize the fact (they already have to some extent I think) that using random 3rd party plug-ins is a big NONO because if you do it there's no way to distinguish it from a malignant hack like map-hack so just don't be a retard and get IP banned for a stupid APM counter or different launcher.
On September 01 2009 04:32 Jonoman92 wrote: I think ICCUP should publicize the fact (they already have to some extent I think) that using random 3rd party plug-ins is a big NONO because if you do it there's no way to distinguish it from a malignant hack like map-hack so just don't be a retard and get IP banned for a retarded APM counter or different launcher.
They've already said that many times. Their AH doesn't make a distinction between chaos launcher and apm counter or oblivion. It all does modification to SC's memory.
On September 01 2009 03:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i was wonderingh why some random bulgarian was raping me roflflf
You dont even have a clue who raped you but you are calling him a hacker , sup? Why dont you make a pack and release the reps and let people analyse the replays AND TELL WHERE IS THE HACK. Also Sakura_Chan have raped you a lot of games from what i've seen is he hacking also? People with them excuses... Oh sorry iccup """caught""" a bulgarian with "hack (WHERE?)" and now all bulgarians hack. YOU PEOPLE MUST BE REALLY SAD IRL. Sorry that we arent like USA and Spain famous with them abusers , idiots and progamer wannabes.
On September 01 2009 03:44 {88}iNcontroL wrote: i was wonderingh why some random bulgarian was raping me roflflf
You dont even have a clue who raped you but you are calling him a hacker , sup? Why dont you make a pack and release the reps and let people analyse the replays AND TELL WHERE IS THE HACK. Also Sakura_Chan have raped you a lot of games from what i've seen is he hacking also? People with them excuses... Oh sorry iccup """caught""" a bulgarian with "hack (WHERE?)" and now all bulgarians hack. YOU PEOPLE MUST BE REALLY SAD IRL. Sorry that we arent like USA and Spain famous with them abusers , idiots and progamer wannabes.
Someone here needs to read the TL.net commandments...
On September 01 2009 04:43 Pieman wrote: haha, iMp.will...you are taking things a little bit too serious? :D:D:D
But it is funny to read someone who writes that stuff, keep it coming, make me laugh some more :D
He is sad that basically his 'best' player or players (in the case it was shared) was caught hacking. I'd be pretty pissed too if I was in his shoes. I think he is in the denial stage.
On September 01 2009 04:22 Jonoman92 wrote: NrG.Mayka is on there, he seemed like a nice guy and a decent player
I was very surprised to see Mayka on this list. I refuse to believe that Mayka hacked or use ANY third party program at all. He is a great person, and a great player who has no reason to use a hack at all. I have played him many many times before and i never saw any signs of him using a hack or anything. I'm not saying this because i'm just his teammate. I'm just saying this because he isn't the type of person to use a hack. Even one of our teammates who used to be an admin said that the iccup system is very buggy.
I'll make a little catchup post / info post for those who are just getting here.
This method as far as anyone knows is 100% accurate in detecting a tool that allows third party programs to be loaded with starcraft. It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
I will go on the record saying that personally I believe almost every one on that list used maphack, but certainly there are some who only used it for other tools.
There is a slight controversy however, some users including idra have posted that some non-hacking users have been inacurratly flagged, like skyroo1004 (BG) and a CJ entus B team user. The main connection between the two is that they may have used the brainclan launcher, if you've ever watched a replay from brainclan it shows [Brainclan version 9.02] or something similar at the start of the text.
I think someone with access to the launcher should get in contact with an ICCup admin and try testing it out.
On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote: definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program.
Or maybe he is a hacker too.
I think you're wrong Mani. The check determines whether you use the iccup anti anti-hack (or a program that works in a similar way to avoid detection). If you do that, even just to be able to load APMLive, you're on the list.
So either the code is buggy (given IdrA's counterexample), or the account was shared.
Manifesto7 is right. It detects everything including the "killer".
PS: For those who "me no hack" and "my friend no hack": its a memory modification and I don't really care what was the cause. Is it so hard to use clean StarCraft while playing ICCup?
On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote: It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned.
I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
On September 01 2009 05:04 Sosha wrote: mG.lopto has a livestream channel eh? kinda sad to think someone like that or anyone for that matter would hack at such a competitive level..
gj to the admins for catching 'em though.. too bad that even the 'safehaven' for hack-free starcraft has now been infiltrated by ppl w/ no honor.
always has been always will be infiltrated by those with no honour. But here's to reducing the numbers.
Fucking 23 pages and all I saw was a ton of new posting people on this thread. Hacker threads always bring out sewer scum. However, I do have to say that I'm going to miss Claz for the time being. I don't think he should just be black listed, though. He's a good guy. A month or two off should be a good what-for.
On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote: It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned.
I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
so if someone would have had his brainclan launcher on while being on the iccup launcher would your system have flagged him?
imo im pretty sure that ALOT of the other high ranked koreans would have had their brainclan launcher's on while they would be playing on iccup(theres just so many players.. the odds of none of them having it on is almost impossible), if it did flag those who had their brain launcher on the number of high ranked korean players would have been alot higher and right now none of them are on that list, so basically i have doubts about this justification being legit
On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote: It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned.
I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
I understand it catches everything, but the vast vast vast majority of these users were caught using the bypass tool right?
Edit: So trying to understand this, this list contains both the "normal" flagged users, ie people are probably caught trying to use oblivion on iccup daily, and also people using the bypass tool?
How many people normally show up on a day to day basis? Enough to say a decent amount of these people were just trying to hack without using the bypass tool?
On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote: It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned.
I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
so if someone would have had his brainclan launcher on while being on the iccup launcher would your system have flagged him?
imo im pretty sure that ALOT of the other high ranked koreans would have had their brainclan launcher's on while they would be playing on iccup(theres just so many players.. the odds of none of them having it on is almost impossible), if it did flag those who had their brain launcher on the number of high ranked korean players would have been alot higher and right now none of them are on that list
Yes i though of this also, but i was trying to figure out how a possible explination as to why a fpvod streamer and a cjentus member were caught.
And yeah i agree, its pretty much impossible for it to have been brainclan launcher like you said, way more koreans would have been flagged if it was.
for the streamer, he could have been hacking on the times he wasnt streaming in order to rank up and then turned off his hack while he was streaming(to show that he was a legit player), in order to compensate for his newbiness he would have just played alot less ladder games and more friendly games(just a hypothesis) but just watching his skill level while he was streaming should have been enough to notice if he really was a good or bad player
On August 31 2009 12:04 IdrA wrote: definitely not fool proof one of those ids belongs to a semi pro who practices in the cj house so unless he was sharing the account or something these can be suspect
The check determines if he is using another program, and that program could be anything from a hack to an apm counter. You might want to ask him if he is using any other program.
Or maybe he is a hacker too.
I think you're wrong Mani. The check determines whether you use the iccup anti anti-hack (or a program that works in a similar way to avoid detection). If you do that, even just to be able to load APMLive, you're on the list.
So either the code is buggy (given IdrA's counterexample), or the account was shared.
Manifesto7 is right. It detects everything including the "killer".
PS: For those who "me no hack" and "my friend no hack": its a memory modification and I don't really care what was the cause. Is it so hard to use clean StarCraft while playing ICCup?
I think once or twice I've logged off West while on Chaos Launcher, and logged on iCCup without shutting everything down and loading up iCCup Launcher. I always got banned in the lobby for having no anti-hack though ahaha.
Not really too surprised about some of the names from TL. General lack of respect toward others + Strong desire for fame/respect + unimpressive work ethic = hacker waiting to happen.
Just curious, for those who are defending the people who are on the list. What's the most logical excuse to the following iccup admin comment?
"Answering this before it was posted: Fact that you never got any problems with launcher before and managed to play a lot of games and suddenly started having problems with some small check being implemented is very convenient."
On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote: It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned.
I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
so if someone would have had his brainclan launcher on while being on the iccup launcher would your system have flagged him?
imo im pretty sure that ALOT of the other high ranked koreans would have had their brainclan launcher's on while they would be playing on iccup(theres just so many players.. the odds of none of them having it on is almost impossible), if it did flag those who had their brain launcher on the number of high ranked korean players would have been alot higher and right now none of them are on that list, so basically i have doubts about this justification being legit
On September 01 2009 06:25 iamtt1 wrote: for the streamer, he could have been hacking on the times he wasnt streaming in order to rank up and then turned off his hack while he was streaming(to show that he was a legit player), in order to compensate for his newbiness he would have just played alot less ladder games and more friendly games(just a hypothesis) but just watching his skill level while he was streaming should have been enough to notice if he really was a good or bad player
dunno about the cj semi-pro
ye this is how i kinda see it.. though i dont have any solid facts on the matter.. but its funny he kept transfering stats from his main account BF to those other accounts which got "hacked" somthing seems fishy about this to me.
and to be honest, when i first saw BF's stream, I was like how is this guy A- hes not that great. But i just blew it off thinking that i was just being too judgmental. However, now that i see some of his other nicknames were banned for hacking, it seems to make sense to me now.
kinda stupid they should have let the thing run a whole week, probably woulda picked up a shit load more hackers. Some people probably don't play on the weekends or something.
Iccup Admin: "Answering this before it was posted: Fact that you never got any problems with launcher before and managed to play a lot of games and suddenly started having problems with some small check being implemented is very convenient."
CJ semi pro could have started playing iccup only in the past 2 weeks. and He had no idea iccup launcher detects his apmlive, or whatever 3rd party utility program he was using. It could be merely a very unlucky timing. If he would started playing on iccup 2 months ago he would have been detected right away.
On September 01 2009 05:22 jimminy_kriket wrote: It does not detect cheating hacks specifically, only the tool which allows for a multitude of programs such as apm live, advloader, and of course maphacks.
Wrong, read my previous post. It detects everything among with a tool you mentioned.
I understand that detecting a tool we would see clearly who was really trying to bypass anti-hack. But this would require an update causing a tool to become non-function.
I understand it catches everything, but the vast vast vast majority of these users were caught using the bypass tool right?
Edit: So trying to understand this, this list contains both the "normal" flagged users, ie people are probably caught trying to use oblivion on iccup daily, and also people using the bypass tool?
How many people normally show up on a day to day basis? Enough to say a decent amount of these people were just trying to hack without using the bypass tool?
Yes, the list contains both: those who where flagged by hacks and those who used the bypass tool. About 70 records have been logged daily before this weekend. About 135 records daily we got on this weekend (almost twice). Now the number is back to normal - 65 after publishing the news.
On September 01 2009 07:22 crucifix wrote: Uhm, iNcontroL, You think that player You never heard of cannot beat u couple of times? Come on, be serious :}
Yup. I don't really think some player I never heard of from bulgaria should 4-1 me or w/e in straight up games.
Think I'm wrong? Show me a series where I lost to some non-korean 4-0/4-1 hell, 3-1 and I will remove my remark.
As far as I know it has never happened.. unless they were hacking. Thanks.
I think ICCup jumped the gun here. They should've cast a wider net and let this go on unannounced for a month or so. Would've really brought in the ROFLs
On September 01 2009 07:32 Louder wrote: I think ICCup jumped the gun here. They should've cast a wider net and let this go on unannounced for a month or so. Would've really brought in the ROFLs
On September 01 2009 07:32 Louder wrote: I think ICCup jumped the gun here. They should've cast a wider net and let this go on unannounced for a month or so. Would've really brought in the ROFLs
The problem was that the detection of the anti-antihack went noticed (people got disced). So after a couple of days everyone would stop anyway, since it'd stop working.
On September 01 2009 07:11 rei wrote: Iccup Admin: "Answering this before it was posted: Fact that you never got any problems with launcher before and managed to play a lot of games and suddenly started having problems with some small check being implemented is very convenient."
CJ semi pro could have started playing iccup only in the past 2 weeks. and He had no idea iccup launcher detects his apmlive, or whatever 3rd party utility program he was using. It could be merely a very unlucky timing. If he would started playing on iccup 2 months ago he would have been detected right away.
I believe it works like this, to get on ICCup AH enabled you launch with ICCup launcher, which launches ICCup with antihack and chaos plugin for LAN Latency you CANNOT open up other programs (and use them) while that is running for whatever reason. IE: Maphack, Chaos, APMLive. Which all modify StarCraft's code (I believe that's what hacks do?) but what the ICCup Killer does is allow you to launch a hack along with the ICCup launcher, hence you need ICCup Killer to use any other third party program on ICCup along with the launcher. If I understand it right.
Correctlty I use Chaos Launcher to run ICCup Launcher (When you use ICCup mode on the launcher) and you can only use Chaos plugin and ICCup antihack, nothing else.
On September 01 2009 07:11 rei wrote: Iccup Admin: "Answering this before it was posted: Fact that you never got any problems with launcher before and managed to play a lot of games and suddenly started having problems with some small check being implemented is very convenient."
CJ semi pro could have started playing iccup only in the past 2 weeks. and He had no idea iccup launcher detects his apmlive, or whatever 3rd party utility program he was using. It could be merely a very unlucky timing. If he would started playing on iccup 2 months ago he would have been detected right away.
I believe it works like this, to get on ICCup AH enabled you launch with ICCup launcher, which launches ICCup with antihack and chaos plugin for LAN Latency you CANNOT open up other programs (and use them) while that is running for whatever reason. IE: Maphack, Chaos, APMLive. Which all modify StarCraft's code (I believe that's what hacks do?) but what the ICCup Killer does is allow you to launch a hack along with the ICCup launcher, hence you need ICCup Killer to use any other third party program on ICCup along with the launcher. If I understand it right.
Correctlty I use Chaos Launcher to run ICCup Launcher (When you use ICCup mode on the launcher) and you can only use Chaos plugin and ICCup antihack, nothing else.
On September 01 2009 07:22 crucifix wrote: Uhm, iNcontroL, You think that player You never heard of cannot beat u couple of times? Come on, be serious :}
Yup. I don't really think some player I never heard of from bulgaria should 4-1 me or w/e in straight up games.
Think I'm wrong? Show me a series where I lost to some non-korean 4-0/4-1 hell, 3-1 and I will remove my remark.
As far as I know it has never happened.. unless they were hacking. Thanks.
On September 01 2009 04:32 Jonoman92 wrote: I think ICCUP should publicize the fact (they already have to some extent I think) that using random 3rd party plug-ins is a big NONO because if you do it there's no way to distinguish it from a malignant hack like map-hack so just don't be a retard and get IP banned for a stupid APM counter or different launcher.
I accidentally used APM alert (comes with chaos launcher which I use instead of iccup launcher) last week several times and was kicked off iccup many times and the last time someone said "LOL HACKER" and then I realized I can't use apm alert on ICCUP (I thought it was my connection b/c it happens to me on war3 too).
I'm not banned so explain that to me? They obviously banned people using specific hacks (no I did not read this entire thread for clarification).
On September 01 2009 04:32 Jonoman92 wrote: I think ICCUP should publicize the fact (they already have to some extent I think) that using random 3rd party plug-ins is a big NONO because if you do it there's no way to distinguish it from a malignant hack like map-hack so just don't be a retard and get IP banned for a stupid APM counter or different launcher.
I accidentally used APM alert (comes with chaos launcher which I use instead of iccup launcher) last week several times and was kicked off iccup many times and the last time someone said "LOL HACKER" and then I realized I can't use apm alert on ICCUP (I thought it was my connection b/c it happens to me on war3 too).
I'm not banned so explain that to me? They obviously banned people using specific hacks (no I did not read this entire thread for clarification).
I think their method detected the ICCup Killer. Did you use that? People who used other ways to load APM Alert and stuff probably didn't get caught.
The question is, does using ICCup Killer mean you used maphack? Even if you didn't, why would you have it on? Also, I do think that APM Alert and Timers and stuff DO add something to your game, so it shouldn't be allowed.
On September 01 2009 07:22 crucifix wrote: Uhm, iNcontroL, You think that player You never heard of cannot beat u couple of times? Come on, be serious :}
Yup. I don't really think some player I never heard of from bulgaria should 4-1 me or w/e in straight up games.
Think I'm wrong? Show me a series where I lost to some non-korean 4-0/4-1 hell, 3-1 and I will remove my remark.
As far as I know it has never happened.. unless they were hacking. Thanks.
On September 01 2009 07:22 crucifix wrote: Uhm, iNcontroL, You think that player You never heard of cannot beat u couple of times? Come on, be serious :}
Yup. I don't really think some player I never heard of from bulgaria should 4-1 me or w/e in straight up games.
Think I'm wrong? Show me a series where I lost to some non-korean 4-0/4-1 hell, 3-1 and I will remove my remark.
As far as I know it has never happened.. unless they were hacking. Thanks.
That liquibition was sooooo long ago. And, I have no comment on this situation. If what RebirthOfLegend says is true, then everyone who as caught must have used the Iccup Killer, which should warrant a ban no matter what (since a normal 3rd party program + Launcher apparently doesn't trigger bans).
Awesome job by ICCUP staff.. also glad to see TL shares my (lack of) tolerance for hacking... The unfortunate reality is that as long as there is demand for hacks, they will keep coming. If only you could get at the suppliers..
On September 01 2009 07:22 crucifix wrote: Uhm, iNcontroL, You think that player You never heard of cannot beat u couple of times? Come on, be serious :}
Yup. I don't really think some player I never heard of from bulgaria should 4-1 me or w/e in straight up games.
Think I'm wrong? Show me a series where I lost to some non-korean 4-0/4-1 hell, 3-1 and I will remove my remark.
As far as I know it has never happened.. unless they were hacking. Thanks.
Liquibition #22 IdrA 4-0 iNcontroL August 27, 2007
I miss the old days where people played the game simply for fun. I miss the drama free days. I miss the days where people played to improve not for some stupid letter grade or rating number. I miss the carefree days. I miss the innocent days. I miss the days where you could actually trust someone...
Hacking only cheats yourself and screws you over in the long run. It proves nothing and gets you nowhere in life. Hacking on a game is really stupid, is one's life really that empty that one would stoop to these lows? It boggles the mind.
It's a sad day indeed when people pull this shit just for a higher letter grade on iccup. clazz I'll miss you dude you were a what seemed like a decent guy and nice poster.
Edit: I used to be happy to have a winning record vs Vasilisk, now I find out he got his A- through hax... Can't say I'm > A- player anymore.
I have played clazz on Outsider(when it was motw) at C-. I'm not sure if he hacked or not on that game but I lost to him(saw my proxy DT rush). I think he's a pretty cool guy though. His ingame chats are cute.
mG.Lopto: gl sir mG.Lopto: from? mG.Lopto: no kor T_T me: kor mG.Lopto: =/ me: j/k mG.Lopto: LOL mG.Lopto: im from usa mG.Lopto: scared me =x me: philippines mG.Lopto: wow nice
On September 01 2009 07:22 crucifix wrote: Uhm, iNcontroL, You think that player You never heard of cannot beat u couple of times? Come on, be serious :}
Yup. I don't really think some player I never heard of from bulgaria should 4-1 me or w/e in straight up games.
Think I'm wrong? Show me a series where I lost to some non-korean 4-0/4-1 hell, 3-1 and I will remove my remark.
As far as I know it has never happened.. unless they were hacking. Thanks.
Liquibition #22 IdrA 4-0 iNcontroL August 27, 2007
I forgot to add the "that I have never heard of" part. That was the entire point dude.. not that I have never lost a series 3-0/4-0 to a non-korean.
On September 01 2009 13:25 LuckyFool wrote: I miss the old days where people played the game simply for fun. I miss the drama free days. I miss the days where people played to improve not for some stupid letter grade or rating number. I miss the carefree days. I miss the innocent days. I miss the days where you could actually trust someone...
I don't think the old days you're talking about ever existed.
On September 01 2009 07:22 crucifix wrote: Uhm, iNcontroL, You think that player You never heard of cannot beat u couple of times? Come on, be serious :}
Yup. I don't really think some player I never heard of from bulgaria should 4-1 me or w/e in straight up games.
Think I'm wrong? Show me a series where I lost to some non-korean 4-0/4-1 hell, 3-1 and I will remove my remark.
As far as I know it has never happened.. unless they were hacking. Thanks.
Liquibition #22 IdrA 4-0 iNcontroL August 27, 2007
I forgot to add the "that I have never heard of" part. That was the entire point dude.. not that I have never lost a series 3-0/4-0 to a non-korean.
I had said that part earlier...
He wasn't sure whether or not you've heard of Idra
On September 01 2009 13:25 LuckyFool wrote: I miss the old days where people played the game simply for fun. I miss the drama free days. I miss the days where people played to improve not for some stupid letter grade or rating number. I miss the carefree days. I miss the innocent days. I miss the days where you could actually trust someone...
On September 01 2009 04:36 iMp.will. wrote: ¡ YOU PEOPLE MUST BE REALLY SAD IRL. Sorry that we arent like USA and Spain famous with them abusers , idiots and progamer wannabes.
On September 01 2009 15:57 ZPriiduZ[NWA] wrote: wow...heheh...Just go check out the whine on iccup.com in the comment section of THE news article....epic ^^
I did, it hurt my brain, and I had to come back here.
I've got a question on Skyroo's acc. I'm not sure if its been covered yet but his accounts were on the list and i'm wondering what's happened to the account basically. All that i know is that he lost his star on the livestreams.
years ago (2004?) i tried a hack on some randome melee game. It was simply to hard playing seeing all the map.. I was looking all the time enemy base and never never produce anything. I am not skilled enough to hack
On September 01 2009 15:57 ZPriiduZ[NWA] wrote: wow...heheh...Just go check out the whine on iccup.com in the comment section of THE news article....epic ^^
I did, it hurt my brain, and I had to come back here.
On September 01 2009 18:06 LuDwig- wrote: years ago (2004?) i tried a hack on some randome melee game. It was simply to hard playing seeing all the map.. I was looking all the time enemy base and never never produce anything. I am not skilled enough to hack
yeah i mean if youre a shitty player map hacks wont automatically make you A+ or whatever, they pretty much just give you an "edge" and you'll be able to easily win games against people of similar skill level. like if you're an average C foreigner with decent mechanics they'll make you C+ or B- probably..
On September 01 2009 18:06 LuDwig- wrote: years ago (2004?) i tried a hack on some randome melee game. It was simply to hard playing seeing all the map.. I was looking all the time enemy base and never never produce anything. I am not skilled enough to hack
Oh, and I thought you were only an abuser!!! :-/
So, a dilemma arises.
Some people admit they hacked in past. So we have some "in-the-past" hackers vs "fresh" ones. For the fresh ones TL has no tolerance, even if they apologize and promise never do it again.
After 2-3 months the fresh ones could be considered "in-the-past" hackers. Now a question: why do we treat them SO differently?
IMO to make it fair for everyone, we should treat them the same way 1 - not tolerate old ones or 2 - ban the new ones for like 90 days or so (and possibly mark them with an "H" flag).
I can really understand the frustration of people playing the game and losing over and over. But if the frustration is too big to handle, you should probably switch to funmaps or quit the game. Really makes me mad because maphack won't make you better-_-
Other players train their ass off to get good and figure out timing windows 'n stuff and faggot hackers just know everything. Burn in hell.
On September 01 2009 19:44 G.s)NarutO wrote: I can really understand the frustration of people playing the game and losing over and over. But if the frustration is too big to handle, you should probably switch to funmaps or quit the game. Really makes me mad because maphack won't make you better-_-
Other players train their ass off to get good and figure out timing windows 'n stuff and faggot hackers just know everything. Burn in hell.
This but a little toned down is how I feel. Also does map hack show you which upgrade they are getting like in a replay?
On September 01 2009 18:06 LuDwig- wrote: years ago (2004?) i tried a hack on some randome melee game. It was simply to hard playing seeing all the map.. I was looking all the time enemy base and never never produce anything. I am not skilled enough to hack
I cant understand what would possess a person to even 'try' hacking. if you download an exe that gives you an unfair advantage even just once you dont deserve to play starcraft.
On September 01 2009 18:06 LuDwig- wrote: years ago (2004?) i tried a hack on some randome melee game. It was simply to hard playing seeing all the map.. I was looking all the time enemy base and never never produce anything. I am not skilled enough to hack
I cant understand what would possess a person to even 'try' hacking. if you download an exe that gives you an unfair advantage even just once you dont deserve to play starcraft.
On September 01 2009 13:25 LuckyFool wrote: I miss the old days where people played the game simply for fun. I miss the drama free days. I miss the days where people played to improve not for some stupid letter grade or rating number. I miss the carefree days. I miss the innocent days. I miss the days where you could actually trust someone...
... These days never, ever, ever existed.
They did for me, at least I thought so when I was 12 years old and hadn't found tl yet. LOL.
On September 01 2009 13:25 LuckyFool wrote: I miss the old days where people played the game simply for fun. I miss the drama free days. I miss the days where people played to improve not for some stupid letter grade or rating number. I miss the carefree days. I miss the innocent days. I miss the days where you could actually trust someone...
I don't think the old days you're talking about ever existed.
yea there's WAY less hacking/drama/abuse/lameness/whatever now than before.. compare bnet ladder or wgtour with iccup and bnet ladder and wgtour end up looking like track and field during cold war.
On September 01 2009 19:34 araav wrote: So, a dilemma arises.
Some people admit they hacked in past. So we have some "in-the-past" hackers vs "fresh" ones. For the fresh ones TL has no tolerance, even if they apologize and promise never do it again.
There's a difference between actively hacking in order to abuse pretty much the only competitive ladder available to most foreign players and having used a hack once in a totally casual setting.
Actually, no, not a difference, they are not alike in any way whatsoever.
On August 31 2009 14:22 Xeris wrote: NrG and iG hackers are funny, and Vasilisk is REALLY surprising, as is Zarrr... he was such an old player O_O
In defence of NrG, none of us believe that MayKa is guilty of hacking. Especially because his play level had not increased at all, his gameplay had remained consistant and completely unsuspicious, and the fact that I just honestly couldn't imagine a person like him being a hacker.
Also, we don't know who NrG.fLaSh[9] is, he certainly is not a member of our team..
And, what's funny about it anyway, if I may ask Xeris?
On August 31 2009 10:54 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: Why do i feel like the random piss test bus just came through the job site?? Welp Bob been nice working with ya for 20 years.... guess you shouldn't have smoked that doobie last night after all.....
Except most likely Bob has been smoking that doobie every night for the past twenty years.
If bob had been in fact smoking a doobie for every night for the past twenty years, it would only mean that it did not have much impact upon his duties at his job site, otherwise I doubt he would have made it to 20 years to begin with.
Also: lol at these mG. players. Ziph, you're talking? You're worse than any other mG. player, I would not be surprised if your C+ rec this season was given to you by someone else, or if yourself hacked. Insofar mG. only has 5-6 legitimately 'strong' players that I know of. So, finding a bad player/hacker in their midst is not such a big deal.
Arsis: we're not trying to convince you that we're good... we just had a pretty clean and legit record. Yes we all know Ziph's stats aren't his... he doesn't try to hide it. He's not trying to convince anyone he's better than he is... he just thought that he kept losing to stupid stuff at low ranks and wanted to try playing at higher ranks.
if a player needs too much games to get good (like you, but you arent good) and needs to train his ass off he should probably switch to funmaps or quit the game.
On September 02 2009 07:26 jimminy_kriket wrote: haha i love arews idea of flagging users with a "HACKER" symbol or something on TL
And then whenever they post anywhere about anything it instantly changes the topic to "lol, didn't you hack? nothing you say counts".
Ban and then if they were a decent forum member let them try and return with a new identity seems best.
I agree with Kwark, only outstanding or good posters should be allowed back after a period of time, what period of time is the question. I don't think allowing someone like clazziquai back after 1 year would be unreasonable. Of course if he got caught hacking again then a permanent ban with no forgiveness should be the course of action. In CAL-CS we banned cheaters for 1 year, then 2, then permanently with lesser penalties for things like illegal ringers and illegal config changes(similar to abusing a bug you could say, like 16 biting). I don't know if it would be different in StarCraft, but many people who were banned from CAL were constantly repeat offenders and they could obtain new IPs, steamids, whatever, and they would be tracked down. I can only imagine the same would be true here at TL, that somebody who deserved to be banned would remain banned, eventually. Someone like clazz had a reputation built up and it is now shattered but I wouldn't see the problem in allowing him the opportunity to began rebuilding it after 1 year. Although I don't think a new identity is appropriate, the user should continue on the same handle.
On September 02 2009 09:40 Valentine wrote: Also, has anyone released exactly HOW the anti-hack works, and what makes the method so fool-proof?
It checks for a program that allows you to load 3rd party programs while having iccups AH launcher running. Obviously it's not 100% that you were loading a hack while using it, but there really isnt much reason to use it for anything else.
On September 02 2009 09:40 Valentine wrote: Also, has anyone released exactly HOW the anti-hack works, and what makes the method so fool-proof?
It checks for a program that allows you to load 3rd party programs while having iccups AH launcher running. Obviously it's not 100% that you were loading a hack while using it, but there really isnt much reason to use it for anything else.
Actually, I was wrong. Refer to the Python_Max posts in this thread if you want more information.
The reason why it's still no argument is that you would've have had to start using these programs right when the logging started, and only then have realized that it discs you.
Most people hack on smurf accounts which kind of sucks and its rather funny some got caught on there main accounts. But it would of still been nice if iccup could of dug harder into accounts and match up IP addresses before they announced that they have busted people. and people saying they don't hack, but are on the list maybe you should think about what type of programs you have on your computer.
On September 02 2009 15:37 scrapperdog wrote: I am in full support of lifetime bans, no excuses.
I thought the same way at first but now I think that hackers should be ban for a certain amount of time. Like someone cought hacking gets banned for like 6 month. After 6 month he can play again and if he hacks again -> lifetime ban. Everyone deserves a second chance for everything (exept murder or something but we are talking about computergames here) especially since many gamers are very young. Banning them for a period could make them think about what they did and when they grow older they can easily change and never hack again.. Maybe
On September 02 2009 15:37 scrapperdog wrote: I am in full support of lifetime bans, no excuses.
I thought the same way at first but now I think that hackers should be ban for a certain amount of time. Like someone cought hacking gets banned for like 6 month. After 6 month he can play again and if he hacks again -> lifetime ban. Everyone deserves a second chance for everything (exept murder or something but we are talking about computergames here) especially since many gamers are very young. Banning them for a period could make them think about what they did and when they grow older they can easily change and never hack again.. Maybe
Your much better off doing nothing than banning for 6 months. A six month ban tells people they can use hacks and get caught and have minimal consequences. In fact, this will encourage even more people to hack knowing in the very very rare situation they do get caught, they will infact get a slap on the wrist. At least if nothing is done they might fear some kind of iron hammer coming down in the future. Not knowing what is going to happen is often worse than knowing. So if your plan is to encourage more hackers and people using hacks on the only safe haven available to players then it is a great plan.
When you look at the absurd number of people caught over and over again through the years, it is naive to think hackers want to be reformed by do gooders.
On September 02 2009 15:37 scrapperdog wrote: I am in full support of lifetime bans, no excuses.
I thought the same way at first but now I think that hackers should be ban for a certain amount of time. Like someone cought hacking gets banned for like 6 month. After 6 month he can play again and if he hacks again -> lifetime ban. Everyone deserves a second chance for everything (exept murder or something but we are talking about computergames here) especially since many gamers are very young. Banning them for a period could make them think about what they did and when they grow older they can easily change and never hack again.. Maybe
Your much better off doing nothing than banning for 6 months. A six month ban tells people they can use hacks and get caught and have minimal consequences. In fact, this will encourage even more people to hack knowing in the very very rare situation they do get caught, they will infact get a slap on the wrist. At least if nothing is done they might fear some kind of iron hammer coming down in the future. Not knowing what is going to happen is often worse than knowing. So if your plan is to encourage more hackers and people using hacks on the only safe haven available to players then it is a great plan.
When you look at the absurd number of people caught over and over again through the years, it is naive to think hackers want to be reformed by do gooders.
I agree in some points but many people who hack are very young people without experience. These people would be extremely fucked if they cant play iccup for 6 month... its a long time!
But on the other hand I would agree with you when it comes to professional gaming. When people hack in toruraments played for money or something like this. they should be maybe banned from all other tournaments or something.
Hi, im FuRax-ScT- aka MethodMan[sL]/FuRax[sL], i just want to add an information about Muck aka Kousin aka Alizee, that is french community already caught him for hack.
On August 31 2009 09:50 Kennigit wrote: Gonna try get ips to compare vs tl accounts. Die hackers.
How's that going? any Positives ? other than the one who made an account trying to deny the crime of course. What's the punishment for these TL accounts? would you IP ban them so they can't even open up Teamliquid? or a regular ban that made them not able to post but still able to click on the live streams and brows teamliquid?
On August 31 2009 09:50 Kennigit wrote: Gonna try get ips to compare vs tl accounts. Die hackers.
How's that going? any Positives ? other than the one who made an account trying to deny the crime of course. What's the punishment for these TL accounts? would you IP ban them so they can't even open up Teamliquid? or a regular ban that made them not able to post but still able to click on the live streams and brows teamliquid?
I wonder that too, what is going to happen to them >_<
For someone to connect to a server that has been set up with the intention of offering a competitive legitimate starcraft ladder and cheat for whatever reason, really makes me wonder what goes through their heads.
"I wanted to hit xx rank so I cheated just for a few games" <--- Screw you "I wanted to see if this hack works" <--- Screw you too
Fuck the slaps on the wrist, give them bans from ICCUP starting with 1 year and increasing based on how man games they abused. Of course, this is all based on proper investigation into what they actually used which I suppose this makes it tricky... But still, the people lame enough to cheat don't deserve to play ICCUP at all imo.
I feel quite scared about this, cos ok ofc there are some real hackers which are being banned, but, I believe there are quite some "false positives" that might not have even the right to defend themselves from the community rage. It´s just they are "tagged" by a method I believe it´s not 100% secure
It´s horrible as nobody in here has tried to walk into the "false positive"´s shoes: your a regular/decent player and suddenly get your name in that list = you got community blaming on you.
It could happen to me .. it could happen to anyone who´s flaming some people in the list today
EPT
thanks. Thant was fast btw, I literally only just published this :x
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gosh Rekrul :D
