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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 06:37:01
February 18 2009 06:33 GMT
#201
die in a pit
make a rational argument or get out

btw burden of proof is on you for spaghetti monster reasons. its unlikely god exists until you demonstrate otherwise.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 18 2009 06:38 GMT
#202
On February 18 2009 14:45 Jerebread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 13:31 travis wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:17 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On February 18 2009 13:16 travis wrote:
did jesus ever say that people went to hell for eternity, or did he just say that hell existed eternally ?


p.s: why isn't the bible centered around the teachings of jesus if jesus was god ?

the new testament completely is


well, I never studied the bible much, as is probably evident from the last question I asked... but...

how did the teachings of such a simple man end up to be hundreds of pages and written by.. how many different authors? I guess it makes sense in a way, it's just that. does no one see how backwards that is?

just from personal experience of studying buddhism, i'd rather a one page lesson from buddha than an encyclopedia written by his disciples.


Hi travis, if I may answer, correct me if I am wrong, but you didn't really ask a question? Is the backwardsness in regard to how simple teachings can be made into what we have as the Bible today?

If so, I hope this answers some of your questions.
-the new testament can be divided into 'two sections':
1, The 4 Gospels (biographies of Jesus' life)
2. Letters written by apostles, mainly concerning Christian living (this addresses a whole variety of issues, take your pick)

As for reading a one page lesson from buddha, Jesus 'one-up's' this by encompassing all of God's commandments into two. (Which I'm sure you have heard of in some form or another.)


Taken from Matthew 22:37-40
1. 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
2. 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'



Thank you for the reply. I took the liberty of bolding some of your post (in my quote).

I guess my question is basically, "why is this not the focus of christianity?"
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
February 18 2009 06:39 GMT
#203
On February 18 2009 15:33 IdrA wrote:
die in a pit
make a rational argument or get out

btw burden of proof is on you for spaghetti monster reasons. its unlikely god exists until you demonstrate otherwise.

Personal experience trumps physical evidence
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 18 2009 06:41 GMT
#204
for you maybe
dont expect anyone else to buy your bullshit cuz you had a hallucination
and this is a forum, we're having a discussion, so until you have something that holds weight in a discussion kindly fuck off.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 18 2009 06:41 GMT
#205
On February 18 2009 15:39 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 15:33 IdrA wrote:
die in a pit
make a rational argument or get out

btw burden of proof is on you for spaghetti monster reasons. its unlikely god exists until you demonstrate otherwise.

Personal experience trumps physical evidence


even though Idra made great posts imo - I definitely have to agree with this.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 06:44:23
February 18 2009 06:42 GMT
#206
On February 18 2009 15:41 IdrA wrote:
for you maybe
dont expect anyone else to buy your bullshit cuz you had a hallucination
and this is a forum, we're having a discussion, so until you have something that holds weight in a discussion kindly fuck off.


for you as well. if and when

im not saying you're wrong and im not saying that personal experience constitutes objective evidence for or against anything

but it really doesn't matter when we are each our own universe. the entirety of our lives comes down to our own individual experiences. it doesn't even have to make sense
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 18 2009 06:42 GMT
#207
i, personally, have not experienced anything supernatural and therefore nothing you can say will convince me that i am wrong.

there, logical discourse just died. why are you posting here?
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 18 2009 06:44 GMT
#208
On February 18 2009 15:42 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 15:41 IdrA wrote:
for you maybe
dont expect anyone else to buy your bullshit cuz you had a hallucination
and this is a forum, we're having a discussion, so until you have something that holds weight in a discussion kindly fuck off.


for you as well. if and when

unless he makes me stupid in the process, if god shows up in my head i wont expect that to make anyone ELSE believe in him.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
February 18 2009 06:47 GMT
#209
maybe, but you'll probably think it's more likely that god could show up in another person's head as well.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 18 2009 06:49 GMT
#210
indeed i would
it still wouldnt affect other people in the slightest.
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
February 18 2009 06:55 GMT
#211
1: if god allowed us free will so we could chose to love him rather than programming our love for him into our creation isnt that really selfish? we stood to lose nothing from never having the option of rejecting god. god stood to lose the feeling of have others love him of their own will. he chose the option which was better for him at the expense of mankind.

2: why is faith universally considered virtuous in religious circles? if we know we can only sanely 'choose' to love god therefore we arent making a choice at all? the very idea choosing to believe in the uncertain...just 'cause...makes no sense. man tells me to believe in god and yet man is a liar and a sinner, how can i have faith in him? god tells me to believe in him and then i know, how can i have faith, how can i choose to love and accept him if i know i have to. faith does not function.

~
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
February 18 2009 06:57 GMT
#212
seek no more my friends, I have the perfect religion for you, it harms no one, and worships no god, but it is in fact a religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism



May the force be with you, young padawan.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 07:08:55
February 18 2009 06:59 GMT
#213
To add a counter against the fine-tuning principle, which is one of the cruxes of I.D., the fact that the 20 fundamental constants needed for matter to hold together like this so well may not be a coincidence. The inflationary period proposed by Alan Guth (which is generally accepted now, with different flavors existing because we don't have enough observational data to rule some versions out) awhile back may have been a vacuum nucleation event, in which the fundamental constants were changing while the entirety of the universe was moving to a lower potential energy state. The constants that exist such that matter can exist on mass scales as they do today may very well have been settled upon due to their low potential energy states (matter has more potential energy than pure energy), so in order to fall into the lowest potential energy states, the constants would have tuned themselves to the values such that the most matter could exist (while still not violating the second law of thermodynamics). So that explains why the constants are so good towards the end of matter existing, and the anthropic principle IdrA mentions explains why we feel so special that we exist here. If we existed on the other side of the universe, we'd feel just as special, cuz over there, it wouldn't be "the other side of the universe" to itself. By the way, scientists have been able to reproduce the reactions that change carbon/nitrogen compounds -> amino acids and amino acids -> peptide compounds (by a process imitating an asteroid hitting earth). Just a few more steps and we have self-replicating RNA. (otherwise known as rudimentary life)

Again, just like TechniQ, don't pretend to know physics to advance your argument. His BS about the big bang was wrong and your BS about the 20 constants could be very wrong as well.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
February 18 2009 07:01 GMT
#214
Slayerism should be a religion

*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
February 18 2009 07:12 GMT
#215
On February 18 2009 15:41 IdrA wrote:
for you maybe
dont expect anyone else to buy your bullshit cuz you had a hallucination
and this is a forum, we're having a discussion, so until you have something that holds weight in a discussion kindly fuck off.

I never said you had to buy into it, nor am I trying to convince you.

Lmao @ "hallucination"

No need to be a prick, IdrA.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 07:22:44
February 18 2009 07:19 GMT
#216
?
you were being condescending because i dont believe in a big invisible man in the sky
rofl
of course im gonna be a prick.

if you arent trying to convince anyone why are you posting

if someone says vishnu talks to them in their head, or appears to them, what are you gonna think? either its a hallucination, or fabrication of their mind in some way, or vishnu is really communicating with them. if you think its a hallucination, what makes it different from your experience? if you think its real, how can both gods coexist given that yours says there arent any others?
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
February 18 2009 07:30 GMT
#217
On February 18 2009 16:19 IdrA wrote:
?
you were being condescending because i dont believe in a big invisible man in the sky
rofl
of course im gonna be a prick.

if you arent trying to convince anyone why are you posting

if someone says vishnu talks to them in their head, or appears to them, what are you gonna think? either its a hallucination, or fabrication of their mind in some way, or vishnu is really communicating with them. if you think its a hallucination, what makes it different from your experience? if you think its real, how can both gods coexist given that yours says there arent any others?

I don't know how in the world you interpreted what I said as being condescending but I didn't mean it that way at all.

I'm not trying to convince anyone because I know that discussing religion doesn't work at all, much less on the internet. I'm just inserting my input, as are you. Just because I believe in God doesn't mean I'm a narrow-minded individual who think that he's better than everyone else and yells out "you're going to hell for your sins!!!" whenever someone disagrees with me. I know from a non-believer's perspective that it's hard to buy into what a Christian says and that arguments and yelling won't change anything.

Plus, I never said anything about a hallucination. I've never had one before and no one I know has had one either. As to your example, I honestly don't know.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 18 2009 07:36 GMT
#218
Just because you can't understand God and the matters related to Him doesn't mean it's unlikely He exists.

certainly sounds condescending to me

except you dont have any input, whereas my input is something that can be held to logic analysis and so can be discussed. so you are worthless here, i am not.

you did not say hallucination, i did. you said 'personal experience' which generally means you have had 'personal contact' with god, which means you have had a hallucination or something similar in which you believe you have seen or spoken to god or jesus. if 'personal experience' meant something else im curious as to what it meant.
if it did indeed mean contact with god then the point i posed about vishnu still stands, and understandably you have no response. that often happens when you hold an illogical stance.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
February 18 2009 07:39 GMT
#219
Do you have to count to ten and think of calm, flowing streams whenever you meet a fundementalist Protoss IdrA?
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 18 2009 07:41 GMT
#220
On February 18 2009 16:39 3clipse wrote:
Do you have to count to ten and think of calm, flowing streams whenever you meet a fundementalist Protoss IdrA?

rofl

"that dt drop was god acting through my very fingers, please don't call me a faggot"
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