EPTI like the meaning of life discussions, personally I think we have no purpose, we was just a total fluke that happened under the most perfect of conditions. Unfortunately the human mind is very flawed and fragile, it needs a reason for everything.
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inb4RUSH
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I like the meaning of life discussions, personally I think we have no purpose, we was just a total fluke that happened under the most perfect of conditions. Unfortunately the human mind is very flawed and fragile, it needs a reason for everything. | ||
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Ki_Do
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Deleted User 3420
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On October 06 2008 13:07 Ghardo wrote: the only thing about existence i don't understand is where it's heading what's the purpose of some superbrains in 3098928792984798274928924792847 years, which still is not the end to it why does the universe.. or let's say 'this reality', in which we are floating, profit from "our existence", our evolution to who-knows-what-ends? it seems to be natural - if the prerequirements are given - that "life" always strives for something higher, maybe this is only a coincidence in "our" universe, maybe not but if life once has sparked, it seeks to lengthen, to adapt, to improve - are we here to solve a greater riddle? something we cannot grasp at the moment but maybe in x^x years? or is our existence just not as special as we think, a mere and short blossom in a universe that will devour us sooner or later without caring for our meddling? you wanted to discuss existence in a more "worldly" sense i guess but still: that's what came to my mind. it's a different approach but also wants to express how little we know about existence. i mean, you mentioned dreams and we do not even know how to interpret these correctly, why they show us sometimes such seemingly extrasensory pictures that go beyond our normal consciousness . maybe it's not heading anywhere in particular? maybe existence just is, and it tends to(or always does) follow certain rules, and these rules lead to cause and effect. maybe there is no beginning and there is no end. We tend to put beginnings and ends on things because we have a beginning and an end, but there is no reason that existence would. | ||
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On October 06 2008 13:51 XCetron wrote: so youre religious, but not a by-definition Christian. Notice the Christ in Christian. ok, so does that at all change or counter my point? or are you not attempting to? and if not, why not. | ||
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On October 06 2008 15:51 BanZu wrote: Not mere speculation. Often times school and other things draw me away from going to church, reading the bible, etc. Even last year I would often eat with my church friends during lunch at school. I felt, in a way, more sheltered from worldly things during that time than I would with my school friends. When I look back I realize that after I stopped doing that I had more troubles, anxieties, no peace. Just in my spirit I could sense a difference (now whether you believe humans have a spirit or not is your choice). When I say experience I mean going to church, praying, reading the bible, reading books written by other believers, singing, psalming, fellowshipping, etc. not just being there. That's called conditioning. For better or for worse you are conditioning your brain/mind to think in a different way. It certainly isn't magical god-power. (not trying to bash your beliefs, at all. you may also already know this) Also, whereas experience doesn't necessarily do squat, when have arguing and debating ever caused a believer or an atheist to change beliefs? As far as I know all it ever leads to is bashing, yelling, criticizing, and more bashing. You have probably only seen arguing, debating, and discussion between closeminded people. | ||
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On October 06 2008 13:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's funny considering Christianity is the most egocentric and humanistic thing to ever be conceived. Isn't athiesm the ultimate acceptance of the weakness and the unimportance of the human race? Isn't it absurd that the Holy Bible wouldn't contain any account of god's creation of life on other planets, or the other planets? acceptance of what weakness? From what I can tell, compared to other sentient beings we are pretty much at the top. Unimportance? What is more important than us? | ||
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On October 06 2008 23:37 Ki_Do wrote: how can anyone prove anything? I can prove I can walk by walking. | ||
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On October 06 2008 23:32 inb4RUSH wrote: Why hasn't religion been classed as a mental illness yet? Invisible being, talking to him (praying), thinking a book of fiction is real etc. So you think that the majority of the people on earth have a mental illness? I like the meaning of life discussions, personally I think we have no purpose, we was just a total fluke that happened under the most perfect of conditions. The most perfect of what conditions? Scientists don't understand the cause of consciousness, so how can you claim it's a fluke when you don't even know the base that makes up the conditions. | ||
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inb4RUSH
Sweden85 Posts
So you think that the majority of the people on earth have a mental illness? Yes. The most perfect of what conditions? Scientists don't understand the cause of consciousness, so how can you claim it's a fluke when you don't even know the base that makes up the conditions. Err, I mean as in, life exists completely by the fact that by luck our planet was so and so long away from the sun giving the right chemistry for life. I'm no scientist or anything so I can't explain consciousness and so I won't ,but I don't think it means that we have a purpose in this universe because of it though. The meaning of life is just a flaw in the human psyche, IMO. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On October 07 2008 02:07 inb4RUSH wrote: Yes. Err, I mean as in, life exists completely by the fact that by luck our planet was so and so long away from the sun giving the right chemistry for life. I'm no scientist or anything so I can't explain consciousness and so I won't ,but I don't think it means that we have a purpose in this universe because of it though. The meaning of life is just a flaw in the human psyche, IMO. should i repeat myself? Scientists don't understand the cause of consciousness, so how can you claim it's a fluke when you don't even know the base that makes up the conditions. what is your life without consciousness ? | ||
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Ghardo
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On October 06 2008 23:50 travis wrote: maybe it's not heading anywhere in particular? maybe existence just is, and it tends to(or always does) follow certain rules, and these rules lead to cause and effect. maybe there is no beginning and there is no end. We tend to put beginnings and ends on things because we have a beginning and an end, but there is no reason that existence would. good point. i'm not quite satisfied with the reply i wrote so i put it in spoilers.. it's all a bit wishy-washy + Show Spoiler + so for you existence is "the whole" and not necessarily human existence. a state; which is precious at the moment and will be precious at another moment somewhen else. this leaves time to be debatable.. maybe it is just ... is is is is is is is is is is is ... and it doesn't matter where on the arrow of time you are atm, it's all the same. one big package of existence with no clear end and no clear beginning. scientifically it looks a bit different. there seems to be a physical start of the universe and a direction where it's heading - as it expands and collapses again somewhen in the future. even tho this might be only significant for our universe. if we can comprehend and express with our set of vocabularies what existence really means and if there isn't much much more to it we can't grasp with our tiny brains, i do not know. to conclude. i don't see the end of existence apart from the scientifically announced collaps of our universe. there seems to be a beginning and if what was before it can also be called existence i cannot tell. so my major question is still not answered: why do we (why does life) become more complex? why is it there in the first place, why isn't there only planets, dead materia, an expanding universe and a collaps (and all this again or whatev). the only answer i know is: things just happen. | ||
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On October 07 2008 02:22 Ghardo wrote: so for you existence is "the whole" and not necessarily human existence. a state; which is precious at the moment and will be precious at another moment somewhen else. this leaves time to be debatable.. maybe it is just ... is is is is is is is is is is is ... and it doesn't matter where on the arrow of time you are atm, it's all the same. one big package of existence with no clear end and no clear beginning. scientifically it looks a bit different. there seems to be a physical start of the universe and a direction where it's heading - as it expands and collapses again somewhen in the future. even tho this might be only significant for our universe. Science doesn't do much to speculate what happened pre-Big Bang. The big bang could be the result of something else that just is. also what evidence is there of a collapse in the future? last I heard the universe looked as though it was expanding more rapidly each moment. it doesn't mean much to me either way though  if we can comprehend and express with our set of vocabularies what existence really means and if there isn't much much more to it we can't grasp with our tiny brains, i do not know. I am a buddhist, and I believe that things can only be understood through one's own experience. I believe that vernacular can be used to help guide one to this understanding, but it is up for them to have the "revelation". Our brains are pretty huge btw It's a common theme for intellectuals to underestimate the ability of mankind in the face of the vast scope of the universe, but really our brains are more complex than anything we know. to conclude. i don't see the end of existence apart from the scientifically announced collaps of our universe. there seems to be a beginning and if what was before it can also be called existence i cannot tell. do not fall nto the trap of science's labels and rules. science is good at analyzing cause and effects over various scales, scales which can be tested. However, when it comes to ultimate understandings, science fails miserably. It really does. so my major question is still not answered: why do we (why does life) become more complex? A scientific answer would be that certain requisites were met, and as a result a chain of chemical reactions occurred that led to a wider and wider array of other chemical reactions, and this chain is now referred to as Evolution and so we are here. But silly scientists just assume this somehow explains consciousness. (most)Silly scientists also define this "evolution" to be a biological process, which is laughable since it clearly began from non-biological processes - it began at the beginning. But I believe all of that is irrelevant. This universe is just a vessel and we are here filling it for the time being. why is it there in the first place, why isn't there only planets, dead materia, an expanding universe and a collaps (and all this again or whatev). the only answer i know is: things just happen. The places that are like that, nothing is experiencing. I hope I don't come off as condescending. These are just my beliefs and I enjoyed responding to your post. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
nothing really left to say. my post wasn't about arguing but rather exchanging thoughts. so yeah, now we know what the other thinks ; ) cheers | ||
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