Discuss existence with me. - Page 3

On October 06 2008 08:49 Savio wrote:
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes

On October 06 2008 08:56 greatmeh wrote:
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.

On October 06 2008 08:57 ilj.psa wrote:

[atheist] But isn't he all powerful????? [/atheist]

On October 06 2008 08:57 ilj.psa wrote:

[atheist] But isn't he all powerful????? [/atheist]

On October 06 2008 08:56 greatmeh wrote:
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.

On October 06 2008 08:07 stenole wrote:
For some reason or other, you are down in a coal mine together with 9 other people. There has just been an earthquake and the mine threatens to collapse on top of you all. The main elevator is broken. There is only a small one-person elevator that still works and it is very slow. So slow that there is a high likelyhood that the mine will collapse and kill you all before you are all lifted out. The group has for some reason decided that you, travis, will decide the order which you are lifted out of the mine. The people in the mine are as follows:

- Escaped convict (You don't know what he was in for, all you know is that he has the orange jump suit on)
- Cancer patient with 3 more months to live
- Father of 4 kids
- Pregnant lady
- 4 year old girl
- Your best friend
- A lady who suffers from severe claustrophobia and is possibly not able to get up without freaking out (meaning she might end up spending a lot of time getting into the elevator and may be unable to get off the elevator at the top, therefore ending up coming down again. And she will absolutely not be able to get on by herself at the end.)
- Yourself
- Slayers Boxer
- A man with a suit and tie that offers you $100,000 to let him out 1st or $25,000 for the 2nd spot.

What order do they ascend?

On October 06 2008 08:49 Savio wrote:
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes

On October 06 2008 09:13 Jibba wrote:

Mavrodes' argument fails but what you logically come to is the fact that rules do not apply to God, much like a dream.

On October 06 2008 09:17 Jibba wrote:
You too, sweet pea.

On October 06 2008 08:56 greatmeh wrote:
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.

On October 06 2008 10:41 sigma_x wrote:


That's all very nice, but this doesn't explain anything. Let me show you why:
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a good idea to keep your unicorn in the stable"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but unicorns don't exist, therefore I can't keep him in the stable"

RIGHT
"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to keep unicorns in stables, nor do I believe that unicorns should be kept in stables, but thanks for the advice"

Or for that matter, substitute the words unicorn, with just about anything, say santa claus, fairies, leprechauns etc.

On October 06 2008 10:31 rgfdxm wrote:
Hey travis, I get occasional moods where I feel like discussing existence or similar topics and I rarely have anyone with which to indulge this impulse. Do you have msn or something?

On October 06 2008 11:20 travis wrote:

i am very often busy, though