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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 05 2008 23:49 GMT
#41
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 05 2008 23:55 GMT
#42
I don't even understand what they are, like the definition of them. I was just confused. But I didnt try very hard, TBH.

There are more than one of them? But they are all called i? Is that the case?
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
October 05 2008 23:56 GMT
#43
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
October 05 2008 23:57 GMT
#44
On October 06 2008 08:49 Savio wrote:
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes

[atheist] But isn't he all powerful????? [/atheist]
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 05 2008 23:59 GMT
#45
On October 06 2008 08:56 greatmeh wrote:
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.



So, what are you trying to say? There are multiple meanings I could take from your post.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-06 00:01:59
October 06 2008 00:01 GMT
#46
On October 06 2008 08:57 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2008 08:49 Savio wrote:
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes

[atheist] But isn't he all powerful????? [/atheist]


that's precisely why he can make it.

The question is asking for a contradiction with our silly ways of looking at the world.

Our definitions of words do not perfectly fit all meanings, because there are some situations that we don't have to deal with in everyday life.

Plenty of paradoxes exist in what we know as "the real world", so I see no reason why this paradox couldn't really exist either.
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 06 2008 00:04 GMT
#47
On October 06 2008 08:57 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2008 08:49 Savio wrote:
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes

[atheist] But isn't he all powerful????? [/atheist]


He obeys his own rules and can't break them. If he makes this rule, then he can't break it. There are lots of things he can't do...like save us in our sins (rather than from our sins).

He can't sin or lie either.

He is all powerful in that he can accomplish his purposes. Not that he can do anything.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 06 2008 00:04 GMT
#48
On October 06 2008 08:56 greatmeh wrote:
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.



This is Plato right?
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
October 06 2008 00:07 GMT
#49
On October 06 2008 08:07 stenole wrote:
For some reason or other, you are down in a coal mine together with 9 other people. There has just been an earthquake and the mine threatens to collapse on top of you all. The main elevator is broken. There is only a small one-person elevator that still works and it is very slow. So slow that there is a high likelyhood that the mine will collapse and kill you all before you are all lifted out. The group has for some reason decided that you, travis, will decide the order which you are lifted out of the mine. The people in the mine are as follows:

- Escaped convict (You don't know what he was in for, all you know is that he has the orange jump suit on)
- Cancer patient with 3 more months to live
- Father of 4 kids
- Pregnant lady
- 4 year old girl
- Your best friend
- A lady who suffers from severe claustrophobia and is possibly not able to get up without freaking out (meaning she might end up spending a lot of time getting into the elevator and may be unable to get off the elevator at the top, therefore ending up coming down again. And she will absolutely not be able to get on by herself at the end.)
- Yourself
- Slayers Boxer
- A man with a suit and tie that offers you $100,000 to let him out 1st or $25,000 for the 2nd spot.

What order do they ascend?


-Best friend
-Boxer
-Me (life would be very depressing without either of the above)

The rest can fight for their turns.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 06 2008 00:13 GMT
#50
On October 06 2008 08:49 Savio wrote:
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes

Mavrodes' argument fails but what you logically come to is the fact that rules do not apply to God, much like a dream.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 06 2008 00:15 GMT
#51
On October 06 2008 09:13 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2008 08:49 Savio wrote:
Q: Can God make a rock so big that even he can't move it?

A: Yes

Mavrodes' argument fails but what you logically come to is the fact that rules do not apply to God, much like a dream.


Jibba, nice to see you in a another thread.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 06 2008 00:17 GMT
#52
You too, sweet pea.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
October 06 2008 00:44 GMT
#53
On October 06 2008 09:17 Jibba wrote:
You too, sweet pea.

fun.
Hi.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24784 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-06 01:09:57
October 06 2008 01:06 GMT
#54
Jeez Travis your level of boredom seems to exceed anything I have ever experienced for you to make this thread.

conCentrate9 I assume it goes without saying that you can add 'according to my religion' to your statement.

edit: oh it's interesting how people explain that God's supposed all-powerful nature doesn't actually mean that he can do anything, but rather that he can't do everything... which is not unreasonable imo.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
October 06 2008 01:31 GMT
#55
Hey travis, I get occasional moods where I feel like discussing existence or similar topics and I rarely have anyone with which to indulge this impulse. Do you have msn or something?
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
October 06 2008 01:41 GMT
#56
On October 06 2008 08:56 greatmeh wrote:
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.


That's all very nice, but this doesn't explain anything. Let me show you why:
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a good idea to keep your unicorn in the stable"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but unicorns don't exist, therefore I can't keep him in the stable"

RIGHT
"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to keep unicorns in stables, nor do I believe that unicorns should be kept in stables, but thanks for the advice"

Or for that matter, substitute the words unicorn, with just about anything, say santa claus, fairies, leprechauns etc.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 06 2008 02:02 GMT
#57
On October 06 2008 10:41 sigma_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2008 08:56 greatmeh wrote:
God exist because the idea of god exist, just like anything else, its the idea that counts

for example: "Excuse me kind sir, but may you please move that chair out of the way"

Now, we all have a common idea on what a chair is, how it looks like and what is its purpose (for sitting), it's the idea that is the chair, without the common idea of what a chair is people would have no clue
"But, sir, there is no chair there, there is nothing at all that is in the way!"

Even if there is no chair there, he/her knew exactly what he/her was supposed to be looking for and moving, therefore chairs exist, we sit on chairs, and chairs come in handy for everyday life.

The same can be done for god now
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a great idea to pray to god before going all in with pocket fives"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but god doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have helped me win the pot"

RIGHT

"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to pray to god, nor do I believe god would of helped me, but thanks for the advice"

Therefore God exist, we use God everyday, and God comes in handy in everyday life.


That's all very nice, but this doesn't explain anything. Let me show you why:
"Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a good idea to keep your unicorn in the stable"

WRONG
"Oh, I'm sorry, but unicorns don't exist, therefore I can't keep him in the stable"

RIGHT
"Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to keep unicorns in stables, nor do I believe that unicorns should be kept in stables, but thanks for the advice"

Or for that matter, substitute the words unicorn, with just about anything, say santa claus, fairies, leprechauns etc.
I think he meant to prove God's existence in linguistic terms, not in actuality.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 06 2008 02:20 GMT
#58
On October 06 2008 10:31 rgfdxm wrote:
Hey travis, I get occasional moods where I feel like discussing existence or similar topics and I rarely have anyone with which to indulge this impulse. Do you have msn or something?


yes, it's asdf2100asd at hotmail dot com

i am very often busy, though
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 06 2008 02:33 GMT
#59
travis is so hot
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Mooga
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States575 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-06 02:35:44
October 06 2008 02:35 GMT
#60
On October 06 2008 11:20 travis wrote:

i am very often busy, though


Which is why you are so bored all the time.
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