EPTThis idea doesn't make sense to me if it isn't sarcastic.
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micronesia
United States24769 Posts
This idea doesn't make sense to me if it isn't sarcastic. | ||
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Insane Lane
United States397 Posts
I haven't read this thread yet, but here's a question: What do you define as yourself? Lay your hands out on the table in front of you and look at them. Do you define those fingers you see as yourself? Or just flesh attached to yourself? So what constitutes your being? Your body as a whole? Your consciousness/brain? | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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a 1.5 hour period is "all the time" ? | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
therefore follow God, read the Holy Bible | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
On October 06 2008 10:41 sigma_x wrote: That's all very nice, but this doesn't explain anything. Let me show you why: "Excuse me sir, but next time, it would be a good idea to keep your unicorn in the stable" WRONG "Oh, I'm sorry, but unicorns don't exist, therefore I can't keep him in the stable" RIGHT "Oh, well, I'm not very accustomed to keep unicorns in stables, nor do I believe that unicorns should be kept in stables, but thanks for the advice" Or for that matter, substitute the words unicorn, with just about anything, say santa claus, fairies, leprechauns etc. Well, first of all, the Holy Bible is the most popular book of all time by far Second of all, you're being ignorant, perhaps thousands of years ago or somewhere on another planet (the more than 50,000 planets that might contain life in this galaxy) there is such thing as unicorns or leprechauns, you're acting like human beings are the all knowing creature, which is exactly how one should not act. although in this age it's hard not to | ||
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
On October 06 2008 11:40 micronesia wrote: This idea doesn't make sense to me if it isn't sarcastic. It's pretty clear from the responses that sarcasm and exaggeration fail horribly on the internets. | ||
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micronesia
United States24769 Posts
On October 06 2008 12:27 Mooga wrote: It's pretty clear from the responses that sarcasm and exaggeration fail horribly on the internets. Which is why you have to use a different approach most of the time. Also, to be fair I was prepared for it to be sarcasm :p However, I don't think everyone would agree with the stance that we seem to share. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On October 06 2008 12:19 greatmeh wrote: I'm saying God exist just as much as a chair exist therefore follow God, read the Holy Bible god being a figment of one's mind would not meet the definition of god in most religions. | ||
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sigma_x
Australia285 Posts
On October 06 2008 12:27 greatmeh wrote: Well, first of all, the Holy Bible is the most popular book of all time by far Second of all, you're being ignorant, perhaps thousands of years ago or somewhere on another planet (the more than 50,000 planets that might contain life in this galaxy) there is such thing as unicorns or leprechauns, you're acting like human beings are the all knowing creature, which is exactly how one should not act. although in this age it's hard not to The point that is being made is that if your argument is correct, then you apparently verify the existence of everything. This is a very standard counter to certain religious ontological arguments. But regardless, i think travis says it better than i can. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
what's the purpose of some superbrains in 3098928792984798274928924792847 years, which still is not the end to it why does the universe.. or let's say 'this reality', in which we are floating, profit from "our existence", our evolution to who-knows-what-ends? it seems to be natural - if the prerequirements are given - that "life" always strives for something higher, maybe this is only a coincidence in "our" universe, maybe not but if life once has sparked, it seeks to lengthen, to adapt, to improve - are we here to solve a greater riddle? something we cannot grasp at the moment but maybe in x^x years? or is our existence just not as special as we think, a mere and short blossom in a universe that will devour us sooner or later without caring for our meddling? you wanted to discuss existence in a more "worldly" sense i guess but still: that's what came to my mind. it's a different approach but also wants to express how little we know about existence. i mean, you mentioned dreams and we do not even know how to interpret these correctly, why they show us sometimes such seemingly extrasensory pictures that go beyond our normal consciousness . | ||
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XCetron
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why? Its like saying if you're a real TLnetter you must have an account on here and visit the site, thats just by definition. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On October 06 2008 13:08 XCetron wrote: why? Its like saying if you're a real TLnetter you must have an account on here and visit the site, thats just by definition. Because it's too arbitrary. It should be required that I have faith in an idea, not a man. Having faith in a dead man means absolutely nothing. I didn't know jesus, I don't know if he really existed. The only things I even know about him comes 2nd-hand, the bible wasn't written by Jesus. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 06 2008 12:27 greatmeh wrote: Well, first of all, the Holy Bible is the most popular book of all time by far Second of all, you're being ignorant, perhaps thousands of years ago or somewhere on another planet (the more than 50,000 planets that might contain life in this galaxy) there is such thing as unicorns or leprechauns, you're acting like human beings are the all knowing creature, which is exactly how one should not act. although in this age it's hard not to That's funny considering Christianity is the most egocentric and humanistic thing to ever be conceived. Isn't athiesm the ultimate acceptance of the weakness and the unimportance of the human race? Isn't it absurd that the Holy Bible wouldn't contain any account of god's creation of life on other planets, or the other planets? | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
On October 06 2008 13:22 travis wrote: Because it's too arbitrary. It should be required that I have faith in an idea, not a man. Having faith in a dead man means absolutely nothing. I didn't know jesus, I don't know if he really existed. The only things I even know about him comes 2nd-hand, the bible wasn't written by Jesus. so youre religious, but not a by-definition Christian. Notice the Christ in Christian. | ||
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
will mahnini still be angrily debating monetary theory here on TL? | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
MOTHERFUCKER | ||
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micronesia
United States24769 Posts
On October 06 2008 14:37 BanZu wrote: Honestly, without my belief in God, I would be such a different person. I would also feel more empty and purposeless. Who knows, but atheists might realize what they lack if they became believers. That's why I always encourage people to go to a church, which is where arguments/debating/facts all fall short, experience. How do you know you would feel empty and purposeless? That is mere speculation... the same way you acknowledge that there's merely a chance that atheists would feel better from being believers. Also, experience in religion doesn't necessarily do squat :-/ edit: I became rather knowledgeable and experienced in my religion before I allowed myself to draw the conclusions that I had been thinking for many years. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On October 06 2008 14:54 micronesia wrote: How do you know you would feel empty and purposeless? That is mere speculation... the same way you acknowledge that there's merely a chance that atheists would feel better from being believers. Also, experience in religion doesn't necessarily do squat :-/ edit: I became rather knowledgeable and experienced in my religion before I allowed myself to draw the conclusions that I had been thinking for many years. Not mere speculation. Often times school and other things draw me away from going to church, reading the bible, etc. Even last year I would often eat with my church friends during lunch at school. I felt, in a way, more sheltered from worldly things during that time than I would with my school friends. When I look back I realize that after I stopped doing that I had more troubles, anxieties, no peace. Just in my spirit I could sense a difference (now whether you believe humans have a spirit or not is your choice). When I say experience I mean going to church, praying, reading the bible, reading books written by other believers, singing, psalming, fellowshipping, etc. not just being there. Also, whereas experience doesn't necessarily do squat, when have arguing and debating ever caused a believer or an atheist to change beliefs? As far as I know all it ever leads to is bashing, yelling, criticizing, and more bashing. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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