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Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
April 20 2008 13:25 GMT
#1
Official newspost is here

I'll quote our own localhost paragraph

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RoX.Localhost
All 10 games in Ascension, played in February 2008, have 0 clicks, totaling over 80 minutes of game play. All 15 games played in a LAN on Feb 10 have multiple clicks, even averaging over 10 per game. All 9 games played in the Excello Cup, an online tour (Feb 17) using the alias “cruelpoliceman” have 0 clicks, totaling over 2 hours of game play. With a generous estimate of a game having a 10% chance of no clicks (the real value is probably about 1%, but dependent on game length) in any given game played without hack, the chance of these sets having no clicks is 1/10^14, or 1 in one-hundred trillion.

When confronted with the accusation, Localhost provided an FPVOD of one game in one of the Ascension Bo5 series in question. You can download the VOD here. What he didn't realize at the time was how he was caught, or that Oblivion or hacks like it do not record unit selections other than your own, even if it is in the “off” or “lite” state. He probably anticipated being accused of hacking at one point so occasionally makes an FPVOD of one game in a set as proof with hack in off mode, but not closed. In the VOD, he clearly selects a creep colony as well as many other things (zerglings, etc.) yet none of these actions are recorded in the replay.

Additional games with extraneous proof can be found at replayhome.com, a useful site for investigating all players due to its 75,000+ replays in database.


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We at TeamLiquid.net cannot speak for the other sites like WGT or ICCup, but we can speak for TSL. While Localhost was found only to be using a hack in Ascension and Excello Cup #1 but not in WGT CL, ICCup CL or various other tournaments, we cannot make that distinction here. He not only violated our policy of hacking within the past year, but repeatedly lied and attempted to deceive us with an FPVOD. Localhost will be removed from the current TSL.

We respect the wishes of the RoX team and applaud their decisions in the cases of Executor and Killah (more on them later on). We hope that in the future Localhost's name can be cleared and that the measures to ensure his future fair play are effective.

Disciplinary action for events under the jurisdiction of the other sites will be detailed in their respective newsposts. Please note that no other RoX players were found to have "dirty" replays using this method.


Statement from RoX Leadership:
Since a new method of Oblivion maphack detection was found many players were claimed to be "dirty".

As for our new 2x2 pair (Executor and Killah), the probative force of this method is strong. I have seen it my own, and I can’t challenge the efficiency of the method in their case. All WGT CL replays were marked as "dirty." (it's quite clear when you compare them with ICCUP "clean" ones).

But it is polar opposite in Victor's case (localhost). First, he had "dirty" replays only in Ascension tournament and Excello Cup #1. Assuming localhost is a hacker it's very strange for me, that a hacker is loosing hacked games, winning lots of tournaments (e.g. WGT CL, ICCUP CL, LANs and many online ones) without the hack. Thus I don’t think it is fair to claim him. Moreover, pirate version of software is still a problem for Russia, and gamers often download it and just buy CD-Keys. I mean he could have such a StarCraft copy at home, or at the cafe, where he used to play. Yet we do respect Counter Abuse Team work and understand their efforts to make a clean e-Sport.

We have the following decision. We apologize to Executor and Killah for this may be unfair decision, but we have to release them for RoX. As for Victor, to avoid ambiguity he should be in some sort of quarantine zone. From this time forward he is bounded to record FPVod of all official tournaments or leagues, to upload them as a proof at any moment. I would also like to draw admin's attention on a fact that ALL the replays except Ascension and Excello Cup #1 were "clean". None of us want a questionable decision like MistrZZZ’ one to happen again. And TSL once showed how professional they are, apologized to him after wrong decision. Let this professionalism be now. Not only at TSL, but other portals also.

Thanks for understanding.
Very truly yours,
Kirill Rus_Brain Patyrykin,
Here on behalf of RoX team leader.



***Special Update***
More "dirty" replays of Localhost have been found in GG.net's "Masters of the Craft" money tournament. Please recognize that the statements above made by RoX managers were before this new information, and they are re-evaluating the situation in light of this new information. We thank the RoX team for supporting and validating this method.

patyrykin.net
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
April 20 2008 13:26 GMT
#2
Whatever happened, Victor never confessed he hacked.
patyrykin.net
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
April 20 2008 13:28 GMT
#3
[image loading]

Poll: Your oppinion. Is Localhost a maphacker?
(Vote): YES, Localhost = dirty MH !!!
(Vote): NO, he's innocent. It's a missunderstanding!
(Vote): Why should I care?

patyrykin.net
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
April 20 2008 13:29 GMT
#4
Just leave your own oppinion. Dont think weather it is offencive or not.
patyrykin.net
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
April 20 2008 13:40 GMT
#5
I don't understand your position here at all. You don't think it's fair to call him a hacker because he lost some games while hacking?
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
April 20 2008 13:43 GMT
#6
if he was playing these dirty games in a cyber-cafe, then its probably because the bw there was "infected".
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
April 20 2008 14:21 GMT
#7
What is it to argue?

They have found a new method that detect hackers and localhost hacked, nothing more to say...
Gör om, gör rätt
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
April 20 2008 14:24 GMT
#8
Always the newschool Protoss players who are "very strong" all of a sudden...
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
April 20 2008 14:29 GMT
#9
Localhost outplayed orky.Ranger at WCG'03 in St.Petersburg qualifications. Though he gave his spot up, as he though he had less chances in Russian final.
patyrykin.net
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
April 20 2008 14:31 GMT
#10
On April 20 2008 23:24 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Always the newschool Protoss players who are "very strong" all of a sudden...


I dont think that Push / TT1 / Tronic are newschool. Dont really know about localhost / Exe / killah and Spades is a terran.
There are way more zerg hackers ( at least in pubs lol thanks to mineral hack ).
You, mister are a racist !
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-20 14:35:55
April 20 2008 14:35 GMT
#11
It seems like it's almost always Protoss hackers among the GOOD players. And players I haven't heard of a few years ago.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
April 20 2008 14:36 GMT
#12
On April 20 2008 23:35 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
It seems like it's almost always Protoss hackers among the GOOD players. And players I haven't heard of a few years ago.

Why do Toss players even need to hack?

All they have to do is shit stuff out of their keyboard, attack, and win.

zzz
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-20 14:45:44
April 20 2008 14:41 GMT
#13
On April 20 2008 23:35 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
It seems like it's almost always Protoss hackers among the GOOD players. And players I haven't heard of a few years ago.


I was obviously kidding my dear beef <3 i know that nobody will be stupid enought to use min hack in tournament or a cw/nw. Yea I agree, most of the hackers at good level are protoss ( you can add Zarrr and SoO to the list ). Nevertheless the number of mineral hackers in public games is really annoying . But thanks to Adv i'm not fooled anymore.

fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 20 2008 15:26 GMT
#14
yes hes a fucking hacker Rus_Brain pull your head out and do what is right. YOur team will forever be tainted if you don't take action. Making him show fpvods of anything is fucking bullshit. He hacked, take a hard line stance or forever know that your clan will be regarded as a soft clan for hackers.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
April 20 2008 16:34 GMT
#15
This makes me sad :[
UNFUCK YOURSELF
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
April 20 2008 16:52 GMT
#16
What a dumbass hacker, he should quit broodwar and live his pathetic life. Seriously, if the only way you can establish fame and recognition is by cheating, it's kind of indicative that you'll do the same again and again as well as in real life as well. Obviously there's exceptions but if you let him go without punishment that will be the gayest thing ever.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-20 18:26:59
April 20 2008 17:38 GMT
#17
What is the most frustrating is that localhost does quite well in offline events. It is really dumb of him to hack.

EDIT: I've posted a translation of localhost's response in the main thread about hackers caught.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
April 20 2008 18:52 GMT
#18
On April 20 2008 23:36 Harem wrote:
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On April 20 2008 23:35 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
It seems like it's almost always Protoss hackers among the GOOD players. And players I haven't heard of a few years ago.

Why do Toss players even need to hack?

All they have to do is shit stuff out of their keyboard, attack, and win.

zzz

LOL, try playing toss then. Become known, c'mon, just shit stuff out of your keyboard attack and win.
Liquid | SKT
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-20 19:56:46
April 20 2008 19:55 GMT
#19
On April 20 2008 23:36 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2008 23:35 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
It seems like it's almost always Protoss hackers among the GOOD players. And players I haven't heard of a few years ago.

Why do Toss players even need to hack?

All they have to do is shit stuff out of their keyboard, attack, and win.

zzz


Hehe. They play P to easily achieve "almost famous foreign gamer" status, and then because they lack experience/intelligence/game sense/etc. to beat the real gosus they use hacks to try to step up to "famous foreign gamer"... :>
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
April 20 2008 20:00 GMT
#20
On April 21 2008 03:52 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2008 23:36 Harem wrote:
On April 20 2008 23:35 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
It seems like it's almost always Protoss hackers among the GOOD players. And players I haven't heard of a few years ago.

Why do Toss players even need to hack?

All they have to do is shit stuff out of their keyboard, attack, and win.

zzz

LOL, try playing toss then. Become known, c'mon, just shit stuff out of your keyboard attack and win.


BACKHO
oh wait, win?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
April 21 2008 08:53 GMT
#21
Hello all.I am NOT a hacker. I haven't used any maphack in any official game. When we were training during our IN-TEAM practice hours, we sometimes used maphack instead of giving vision (and of course the opponent knows about that). This is for smoothing up the timing skills of every player of our team. Giving vision is not as convenient, because you see obs, darks etc. It could happen so I, without relaunching BroodWar played some tourney games in off mode right after our IN-TEAM practice hours.


I think that the method of revealing the hackers is logical, but is not 100%. The admins wrote that not all people select their opponents' buildings and units. Sometimes you don't have time for that. I recorded some test VODs from Ascension games (for which I am accused), but not all were successfully written. About a week ago, HoT_Bid contacted me and asked about those games and about the maphack. I helped him as much as I could and even sent him a VOD which proved me clear. He was very amazed by the things he saw in the VOD.


I am clear. Please don't ban me from leagues and don't reverse my games. Why should my team suffer from accusation of one player.


Even the organizers of TSL in their official statement confirmed that their decision is only about TSL.

"We at TeamLiquid.net cannot speak for the other sites like WGT or ICCup, but we can speak for TSL. While Localhost was found only to be using a hack in Ascension and Excello Cup but not in WGT CL, ICCup CL or various other tournaments, we cannot make that distinction here. He violated our policy of hacking within the past year and will be removed from the current TSL".





by RoX.localhost



_________
Thus he did hack
patyrykin.net
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
April 21 2008 14:45 GMT
#22
no wonder he won vs strelok in ascension?!
Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
April 21 2008 15:12 GMT
#23
why would you encourage team members to hack {even though it was only during practice} how lazy do you gotta be to give your opponent vision if you wanna work out the timing.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 21 2008 17:58 GMT
#24
coming from SPADES? uh wat
Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
April 21 2008 18:40 GMT
#25
lol im not spades -_-
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 21 2008 18:46 GMT
#26
bad choice for a name then o-O
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
April 22 2008 12:19 GMT
#27
Localhost left RoX:


I salute you, my dear enemies fans!

As I have already said, I had never been a maphacker as I am accused. Nevertheless, I had Oblivion installed (only for training purposes, but still it's a hack); I let down my team, I made admins waste their time to reveal the maphack and not do more important things... I admit that I must take punishment...

I know how hard it is for the team to just throw me out. I always considered myself a manner player, and in this case I have to gather my courage and leave the team myself instead of hiding behind friends' backs. I am not going to quit SC. You will see me again on LANs (Yeah, right! So many hackers in offlines, it is just scary, right?). Until then I am gone. I hope that one day you will forgive me. I am indeed very sorry that this has happened :'(

Farewell,
Victor Lopatin,
Ex-player of RoX - localhost.
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
April 22 2008 12:48 GMT
#28
http://teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?currentpage=2&topic_id=70013
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