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On December 22 2007 02:31 JensOfSweden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2007 02:26 jtan wrote:On December 22 2007 02:07 JensOfSweden wrote:
Sweden is so secularized compared to the rest of the world, it's quite astonishing really.
I don't care, I like churches and while that may not be a good argument to not leave the church I really don't give a fuck.
I didn't do my confirmation either, cuz I didn't believe in it 100% and it didn't feel right to do it for gifts only.
Also, I'm an agnostic and don't rule out either that god exists or that he doesn't. However this new generation of Richard Dawkins fans annoy me alot.
Are you also a member of those ridiculous Humanisterna, jtan? No I'm not a member of "humanisterna" but I would much rather be with them than with any church. Luckily you don't have to belong to any organization to have an opinion. Also, I'm calling myself an atheist, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of some kind of creator. I just think it's very improbable. Techincally every atheist should be called an agnostic, I've never heard of anybody that claims to be 100% sure there is no God. And that makes the term "agnostic" pretty useless. Humanisterna is almost like a church of their own with fanatic followers. Yea, I guess. Since you really can't prove nor disprove god scientifically, everyone is more or less the same thing regardless if you call yourself agnostic or atheist.
you are right but claiming just agnosticism and nothing else generally means you are giving God a special kind of acknowledgment over santa claus, zues, extc. If you honestly would answer "I do not claim to know if zues is real or not" ( replace zues with any fairy tale creature ) then there is no problem calling yourself an agnostic:D
@ jtan: I had NO CLUE there was some kind of nationwide church tax in Sweden. It also surprises me that you are just now leaving after reading most of your threads. o well, congrats i guess.
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I'm saying Richard Dawkins is one annoying human being.
He is convinced that science is right about everything and his arrogance concerning peoples different beliefs is not very nice.
And I know of course it's "impossible" to prove gods existance, so in fact every atheist is really an agnostic.
The thing that annoys me about Dawkins is how he thinks he is superior and knows everything and looks down on people with different beliefs, fucking clown.
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hmm, I guess it is a matter of perspective then:O Not gonna lie....I see him as a pretty charming person...someone that would be hard to get mad at.
Probably just because he is British and they sound so polite by nature lol.
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On December 22 2007 02:41 OverTheUnder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2007 02:31 JensOfSweden wrote:On December 22 2007 02:26 jtan wrote:On December 22 2007 02:07 JensOfSweden wrote:
Sweden is so secularized compared to the rest of the world, it's quite astonishing really.
I don't care, I like churches and while that may not be a good argument to not leave the church I really don't give a fuck.
I didn't do my confirmation either, cuz I didn't believe in it 100% and it didn't feel right to do it for gifts only.
Also, I'm an agnostic and don't rule out either that god exists or that he doesn't. However this new generation of Richard Dawkins fans annoy me alot.
Are you also a member of those ridiculous Humanisterna, jtan? No I'm not a member of "humanisterna" but I would much rather be with them than with any church. Luckily you don't have to belong to any organization to have an opinion. Also, I'm calling myself an atheist, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of some kind of creator. I just think it's very improbable. Techincally every atheist should be called an agnostic, I've never heard of anybody that claims to be 100% sure there is no God. And that makes the term "agnostic" pretty useless. Humanisterna is almost like a church of their own with fanatic followers. Yea, I guess. Since you really can't prove nor disprove god scientifically, everyone is more or less the same thing regardless if you call yourself agnostic or atheist. you are right but claiming just agnosticism and nothing else generally means you are giving God a special kind of acknowledgment over santa claus, zues, extc. If you honestly would answer "I do not claim to know if zues is real or not" ( replace zues with any fairy tale creature ) then there is no problem calling yourself an agnostic:D @ jtan: I had NO CLUE there was some kind of nationwide church tax in Sweden. It also surprises me that you are just now leaving after reading most of your threads. o well, congrats i guess.
Yea I give god more acknowledgement than Santa claus, I won't even bother to elaborate on this.
Lol, I guess you did give god special acknowledgement too, since you wrote his name with a big first letter, "God". :p
Btw, it's "Zeus", if you're referring to the greek god.
Man I think you're getting too much into semantics now, I'm saying I can't prove or disprove gods existence and really don't know what to believe so until anything else comes up I will let the question be open for me personally.
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On December 22 2007 02:47 OverTheUnder wrote:
hmm, I guess it is a matter of perspective then:O Not gonna lie....I see him as a pretty charming person...someone that would be hard to get mad at.
Probably just because he is British and they sound so polite by nature lol.
Lol, it's partly his "britishness" which annoys me because he sounds so intelligent and RATHER nice like all english people :p
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Weird how there's a church tax and you're a member by default. I'll leave it at that. :>
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On December 22 2007 02:46 JensOfSweden wrote:
I'm saying Richard Dawkins is one annoying human being.
He is convinced that science is right about everything and his arrogance concerning peoples different beliefs is not very nice.
And I know of course it's "impossible" to prove gods existance, so in fact every atheist is really an agnostic.
The thing that annoys me about Dawkins is how he thinks he is superior and knows everything and looks down on people with different beliefs, fucking clown.
I don't like Dawkins much either but are you suggesting he shouldn't look down on people with different beliefs in some cases? You seem to be suggesting this.
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-Don't have to pay any tax to the church. That means ~1% lower tax.
LOL WUT
why is your dad still in then. does the church do charity work or whatnot
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sweden also gives 1.12% of everyones income to charity if i remember correctly
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On December 22 2007 04:16 oneofthem wrote:
-Don't have to pay any tax to the church. That means ~1% lower tax.
LOL WUT
why is your dad still in then. does the church do charity work or whatnot
He doesn't care too much, but he told me he also would have left had they not lived so close to the church, had our neighboors not been so hardcore christians etc etc etc
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Richard Dawings IS an annoying human being. He's just as bad as the theocrats he opposes. Subscribing to the beliefs of Dawkins only intensifies the polarization of the Religion/Atheism divide.
I agree with a lot of things he says, especially his belief that children shouldn't be labeled by their parents beliefs, and I despise any form of religious fundamentalism as much as he does. However, he fails to see that his Atheistic fundamentalism in the end is just as harmful as the Christian/Muslim/etc fundamentalism he opposes. Make no mistake, Dawkins believes %100 that there is no God.
I'm also bothered by Dawkins insistence of logical equivalence between science and religion. He's perfectly right to insist that scientific claims made by religion need be verifible and logical (namely Creationism is a shallow farce). However, his attempt to focus the metaphysical aspect of religion into a matter of logic is really missing the point. While it's possible that human religion is the result of genetic makeup (a hypothesis Dawkins himself proposed), it is the same that Music Art Language and the very root of Human ingenuity are rooted in the same set of evolutions as Religion. It is not a rational act, and to attempt to impose logic on religious claims is as absurd as attempting to impose a logical/objective rigor to art.
So basically, he's a fundamentalist bigot who I only happen to agree that where science meets relgion, science wins.
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church can be boring, many times 
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On December 22 2007 08:48 Rev0lution wrote:
Your in Sweden FFS!
Even though 86% Swedes doesn't believe in a personal god according to one poll, 75% are still members of the church. Sneaky church makes us members from birth and then you have to activly leave it, and few cares enough.
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it seems cute, until you see the amount of hours wasted on these silly activities. religion will pass away fairly quickly as long as the religious communities do not mold aggressive fundamentalist children. it is like a pimple. dont agitate it
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LOL@ people who call Dawkins a bigot or an arrogant person.
Grow up.
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On December 22 2007 03:44 lugggy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2007 02:46 JensOfSweden wrote:
I'm saying Richard Dawkins is one annoying human being.
He is convinced that science is right about everything and his arrogance concerning peoples different beliefs is not very nice.
And I know of course it's "impossible" to prove gods existance, so in fact every atheist is really an agnostic.
The thing that annoys me about Dawkins is how he thinks he is superior and knows everything and looks down on people with different beliefs, fucking clown. I don't like Dawkins much either but are you suggesting he shouldn't look down on people with different beliefs in some cases? You seem to be suggesting this.
That sir, is exactly what I am suggesting.
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On December 22 2007 06:11 GeneralStan wrote:
Richard Dawings IS an annoying human being. He's just as bad as the theocrats he opposes. Subscribing to the beliefs of Dawkins only intensifies the polarization of the Religion/Atheism divide.
I agree with a lot of things he says, especially his belief that children shouldn't be labeled by their parents beliefs, and I despise any form of religious fundamentalism as much as he does. However, he fails to see that his Atheistic fundamentalism in the end is just as harmful as the Christian/Muslim/etc fundamentalism he opposes. Make no mistake, Dawkins believes %100 that there is no God.
I'm also bothered by Dawkins insistence of logical equivalence between science and religion. He's perfectly right to insist that scientific claims made by religion need be verifible and logical (namely Creationism is a shallow farce). However, his attempt to focus the metaphysical aspect of religion into a matter of logic is really missing the point. While it's possible that human religion is the result of genetic makeup (a hypothesis Dawkins himself proposed), it is the same that Music Art Language and the very root of Human ingenuity are rooted in the same set of evolutions as Religion. It is not a rational act, and to attempt to impose logic on religious claims is as absurd as attempting to impose a logical/objective rigor to art.
So basically, he's a fundamentalist bigot who I only happen to agree that where science meets relgion, science wins.
Many good points right there, couldn't agree more
Dawkins is the real fundamentalist here but in a non-religious way lol
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On December 22 2007 19:13 JensOfSweden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2007 03:44 lugggy wrote:On December 22 2007 02:46 JensOfSweden wrote:
I'm saying Richard Dawkins is one annoying human being.
He is convinced that science is right about everything and his arrogance concerning peoples different beliefs is not very nice.
And I know of course it's "impossible" to prove gods existance, so in fact every atheist is really an agnostic.
The thing that annoys me about Dawkins is how he thinks he is superior and knows everything and looks down on people with different beliefs, fucking clown. I don't like Dawkins much either but are you suggesting he shouldn't look down on people with different beliefs in some cases? You seem to be suggesting this. That sir, is exactly what I am suggesting.
Well I think that sounds incredibly stupid to me, moreso than anything Dawkins has ever said.
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i wish i could leave my church
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