Hahaha, good luck on getting the public to agree to 10 points they want change on.
For starters the economic system is basically a ponzi scheme reliant on very high immigration to grow the economy (mostly through increased debt) but any talk of reducing immigration is seen as far right.Even though The Greens had a net zero migration policy until 1998 https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/greens-change-their-immigration-policy
The Greens state that immigration policy should be considered within the broader population policy. Their 1996 population policy had the goal of "stabilising" population numbers (hence the call for a reduction in immigration).
The Greens' new policy has a different goal: "An Australian population policy should consider the distribution of human settlements rather than just concentrate upon population size at the national level."
The changes are a significant shift to the left. The idea that population growth, in and of itself, causes environmental destruction has been dominant in Australia's environment movement. This led to the Greens', the Australian Conservation Foundation and parties such as the Australian Democrats lending their support to "a zero net migration policy" (where the numbers of people entering Australia can be no more than the number of those who leave) as propounded by Australians for an Ecologically Sustainable Population (AESP).
The problems of congestion, high house prices and huge competition for jobs are due in large part to the high immigration figures.
For one particular point, Australia if anything is over-dependent on Foreign investment, not disincentivising it like he says. We have a construction industry still building new apartment complexes to be bought by overseas investors, huge natural resources as our selling point (to be mined by overseas mining companies), etc. etc.
If succeeding in business is hard, it's because rent and property prices are high (which is a result of foreign investment + negative gearing to favour investors AKA the rich).
It's exceedingly hard to buy a first home. Not just for those on the supposedly exorbitant minimum wages (if you believe fatshit, but actually especially taking into account the cost of living here also, not that crazy), but for people making decent $$ too.
EDIT: Now reading page 2, you can kind of link foreign investment to immigration but not much, a lot of properties are bought simply to move money into Australia and out of other countries, for example I heard many Chinese investors buy property in Australia predominantly to get that money out of China (but still in their hands). There are large numbers of properties that sit empty.
On July 10 2019 12:38 Turbovolver wrote: As an Australian, evilfatshit is an idiot.
For one particular point, Australia if anything is over-dependent on Foreign investment, not disincentivising it like he says. We have a construction industry still building new apartment complexes to be bought by overseas investors, huge natural resources as our selling point (to be mined by overseas mining companies), etc. etc.
If succeeding in business is hard, it's because rent and property prices are high (which is a result of foreign investment + negative gearing to favour investors AKA the rich).
It's exceedingly hard to buy a first home. Not just for those on the supposedly exorbitant minimum wages (if you believe fatshit, but actually especially taking into account the cost of living here also, not that crazy), but for people making decent $$ too.
EDIT: Now reading page 2, you can kind of link foreign investment to immigration but not much, a lot of properties are bought simply to move money into Australia and out of other countries, for example I heard many Chinese investors buy property in Australia predominantly to get that money out of China (but still in their hands). There are large numbers of properties that sit empty.
? you call me an idiot but your post doesnt actually challenge anything i said so. most of your post also focuses mainly on the property market as if thats the sole reason why this country is going through such hardship in recent times. australia is indeed highly dependent on foreign investment, but foreign investment being disincentivised is a fact and they are not mutually exclusive. the property market is one of the very few markets that actually sees a lot of foreign investment (particularly by the chinese for reasons youve already stated), but unfortunately this money doesnt actually increase economic activity or growth. the areas that desperately need advancement by any means arent getting the support or investments they require. the country is not competitive globally in any single industry (excluding exports, which takes advantage of natural resources rather than particular skills) because we do not have the resources or skills required locally and yet the government hasnt put in much of an effort to bring in the necessary skills from foreign countries aside from immigration programs like the 457/TSS visas, which honestly do jack shit because bringing in single individuals isnt going to do anything. you say we have "huge natural resources", but our biggest export is coal which countries are trying to move away from due to clean energy movements. unlike in the past, china is no longer bailing us out with massive coal revenue because theyre also cutting back imports. our overdependency on a resource that is falling under increasing scrutiny because of its emissions is impacting the country too much. businesses are failing because of a lot of factors, not just because of rent. i think the last financial year there was a 12% increase in business closures compared to the year before? we have high employment costs, utility costs, low consumer spending etc. all of this is the result of a whole lot of shit that has gone wrong. the housing market crisis alone is not the entire problem. this country is lagging behind in almost every other industry compared to global leaders and its pretty evident that the government either doesnt have plans moving forward to rectify these problems or theyre just too slow and indecisive in the way they go about their work. i mean for fucks sake the progression of the sydney light rail construction is an absolute joke. the newcastle cbd construction was also a disaster and the state government is being sued for both projects for their complete incompetence. the country has been crying out for high speed rail to connect the east coast so that population density in sydney could be reduced and development can occur in the neighbouring towns. yet the government is yet to announce a definitive plan for high speed rail construction, or any sort of major infrastructure project that could actually make an impact. most of the shit the government is dumping money on as part of "infrastructure works" is meaningless crap like a light rail system that is pretty much obsolete and random motorway roadworks. we have problems literally fucking everywhere that need sorting out desperately and as ive already said in previous posts, our government squandered their chances to act on these issues when they had the time and resources to do it. and by government id like to point out that this isnt a liberal vs labour problem. this is just our politicians being completely shit at their job as public servants
1.Half of the coal exports by value are coking coal, used to make steel.770 kg of coking coal is needed for one ton of steel.Countries will still need steel in future.
2.Australia is a small market a long way from larger markets.Business taxes are high, employees have entitlements like long service leave and leave loading.Government has a zero tariff policy (Why the car industry collapsed)To expect Australia to compete in manufacturing is naive unless the dollar falls to 40c US.
Anyway I am expecting the govt to throw everything at the housing market to keep it up.I wouldn’t even rule out them allowing easier access to super for home purchases.
Fascinating - the unifying thread among these posts is that there is a rot gaining ground in this'n here land and that a downturn on a huge scale is incoming... Agreed?
yes but isn't that true of almost all major world economies?
the lifestyle in australia is great. i spoke to my boss about taking 2 months of leave next year and he was "yeah that's alright". Imagine saying that in the U.S. lol...
On July 11 2019 15:49 BookTwo wrote: yes but isn't that true of almost all major world economies?
the lifestyle in australia is great. i spoke to my boss about taking 2 months of leave next year and he was "yeah that's alright". Imagine saying that in the U.S. lol...
Yes you are correct, Australia is not to be highlighted as a unique duckling. I do not believe we are past our use by date, but I think the curdling has begun, and in a few decades we will be utterly rancid.
Usually comes from people with absolutely no real life experience who think they have figured out how things should work but all the people are too stupid to listen to them.
My questions are : 1. Do you think the prime minister of AU or someone in his entourage browses TL and he might see it ? 2. You reported some minor , first world problems , as proof that things are bad in AU. The way i know it , if you have a job (any legal job) you have access to one of the highest top 10 living styles available in modern world ? Is that incorrect ? 3. You don't have a TL + membership but you spend enough time on TL to post on it. Does that mean you can't afford the membership or that you don't think it is worth it ?
I know the beginning seams insulting but I have been trying to profile this community for a while now and I would appreciate an honest answer to any of these questions.
On July 11 2019 15:49 BookTwo wrote: yes but isn't that true of almost all major world economies?
the lifestyle in australia is great. i spoke to my boss about taking 2 months of leave next year and he was "yeah that's alright". Imagine saying that in the U.S. lol...
i think thats just your boss lol. i doubt youd find many other bosses even in australia who would be so nonchalant about that. and the lifestyle in australia is/was indeed great. the problem is that in my opinion, that lifestyle is unsustainable and has contributed heavily to the start of a big downfall here
well yeah he is a good boss and highly intelligent, recognising a year worth of notice for 2 months leave is reasonable.
but what I'm getting at is you can't even get 2 weeks leave in some jobs in America, let alone 2 months of leave. our lifestyle is great from that point of view.
On July 11 2019 20:04 baiesradu wrote: I found the original post incredibly juvenile .
Usually comes from people with absolutely no real life experience who think they have figured out how things should work but all the people are too stupid to listen to them.
My questions are : 1. Do you think the prime minister of AU or someone in his entourage browses TL and he might see it ? 2. You reported some minor , first world problems , as proof that things are bad in AU. The way i know it , if you have a job (any legal job) you have access to one of the highest top 10 living styles available in modern world ? Is that incorrect ? 3. You don't have a TL + membership but you spend enough time on TL to post on it. Does that mean you can't afford the membership or that you don't think it is worth it ?
I know the beginning seams insulting but I have been trying to profile this community for a while now and I would appreciate an honest answer to any of these questions.
All the best to the people down under !
Juvenile hey? I think you missed the point. My OP whilst stating facts relating to certain situations in Australia, was principally written as a kind of realist satire - aiming to promulgate said facts under the guise of an interesting read. Of course the PM of Aus does not read TL, of course 'We the People' is just myself. Over 100 thousand homeless in a population of 26 million in a country that stands at 13th on the OECD list, is a minor problem? Mental illness rates in the top 5 in the world per unit population is a minor 1st world problem? 1 in 5 Aboriginal people under the age of 13 commit suicide, another minor 1st world problem? Come visit the Northern Queensland, or Territory, there is no 1st world there.
I do not have TL + membership, so what?
I also do not have many answers, but at least I try to discuss the issues.
The TL+ question is one of the most random things I have ever seen. Sometimes, people are doing stuff like "lol I am so random", but this is a completely another league, it is so aetheraly absurd, yet obviously meant seriously.
australian lifestyle? lifestyle? i always wonder when people use vernacular like that what they mean? .. a lifestyle implies a life no?
Back on topic:
bouhou guy wrote his opinion on tl and he didn't even buy tl+ it will never amount to anything
Sir? have you checked out france recently? french people on roundabouts ring any bell? they got the shady government to stop their drinks and canapes and acknowledge some hardcore stuff, no..?!
Saying he's amounting to nothing is reeee dick you lost my man... Speaking out loud is always a good thing, no?
Back to my off topic:
take france.. what would be the answer to my lifestyle question there (but this would apply worldwide even if differently)?
Well, .. a certain number of those lifestyle impaired people took the roman roads back.. and while no good has come from the government .. the wheels are turning again in france.. we are .. we exists as denizens! So don't say "blablabla never anything blablabla" .. please, just admit that YOU will never amount to anything politically if you retain your current attitude.. not everyone needs to make your false assumptions?
lifestyle lol
We live in an unfair world and everyone wants it to remain so.. EVERYONE that has a "lifestyle" (you me your granny my baby sitter.. anyone that has a life ...)
.. the point the 1% makes is that there are 99 other % .. so really u are kids discussing who gets shotgun in the car. and nothing more...
How about the 30 to 40 % that are not ALLOWED to live? the people who work 16 hours a day for 50 bucks ? the people that go from job to job because their employers pay em less that way.. the old people that get their pension diminished every year/month, the people that are too old to be employed by law but don't have a pension? .. etc all the really needing people?
Can you please tell the 40% rich (but not so rich) people that need all their luxuries.. that they can't and shouldn't have these luxuries anymore?
Isn't that what being poor is?.. not being given a chance, not be allowed to live... being a slave forever!
Or at least that is how i see it.. so lil me would just like to chime in and add this :
the rich f ck the poor.. that the rich would not give 1% of what they steal/earn to the poor for the poor to survive (and accept the situation! as a given) is something i have never understood.. the poor will end up cutting down the rich's heads.. guaranteed! But possibly they don't see that? they don't see that YOU are the hand that feeds and YOU let the 1% dictate what that feed accounts to .. YOU decide how much the poor get!
i am greedy when i play an rts or an fps but never .. ever .. ever am i greedy in real life..
in a game winning is the goal
in real life you don't need to kill your opponent do you?
ps: dying from hunger and fear is way up there when it comes to punishment if that s how the rich punish the poor for doing what they are told.. i wonder what the poor have in store for the rich?
I am not sure to whom your points were directed, yet I read them all.
Yes I agree with you, we come from a violent past and to a violent future we journey faster everyday (do not listen to Steve Pinker etc...). The very governmental/social/market system outputs enormous violence, internationally and domestically (Listen to Zizek here, his analysis of widespread socially normalized violence is hard to refute).
The majority (all?) of the hyper-rich amount to biological parasites, the damage they inflict on other life to furnish their own is world wide, often unjustifiable and not in 'Greater Humanity's long term interests.
I always like the sand analogy; the world only has X kilograms of sand, heap it up in 1 or 2 or 5 places in the world, and naturally there is less sand everywhere else.
There is a strange hope: The damage to flora and fauna (humans included) in Australia this coming summer from extreme weather will be catastrophic and cost the country dearly - it may well be a turning point for the nation.
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