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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
Hope you still remember me, it's been years! I was in a very similar situation as you for the last few years so I can relate to this blog a lot. Stay strong and I'm sure you'll be able to make a career out of whatever you choose to do. You are talented enough for that - I don't believe a former progamer can be screwed for life. By the way have you seen Idra? Last I heard he was studying physics at your campus lol | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
I have a degree (computer science), and honestly it hasn't helped my employment situation whatsoever. I'm mostly doing data entry and manual work in my current job, though there are a few perks, so you have my sympathies in that regard. I do hope you find a career path that's just for you, but it will be a difficult process I think. Best of luck in your future endeavours, and your English is amazeballs!  . | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On March 11 2018 21:54 Dingodile wrote: Interesting picture, but I don't care all 3 since I was ~25. Especially the money part, I hate money with passion since I was born. Money factor will never exist in my head. Agreed, never understood why people are so obsessed with money. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 12 2018 05:47 Charoisaur wrote: Agreed, never understood why people are so obsessed with money. I think it's because money is used to buy things. | ||
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NBird
United States24 Posts
A piece of advice I might be able to offer is if you don't have family, i.e. wife and kids, it's easier to commit to getting a degree in what you are pursuing. Also are there further educational opportunities in your upcoming military service? It may be a good way to expand your education and acquire new contacts for the future. Good luck! | ||
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Dingodile
4137 Posts
On March 12 2018 07:20 Ej_ wrote: I think it's because money is used to buy things. Once you are obsessed with money, you want more money, that my experience with my all friends/people around me once they have a job. It's unreal to see how "work" make the behaviour of people worse. I wouldn't buy a ferrari or a 50,000 sq m house even when I were billionaire. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On March 12 2018 17:18 Dingodile wrote: Once you are obsessed with money, you want more money, that my experience with my all friends/people around me once they have a job. It's unreal to see how "work" make the behaviour of people worse. I wouldn't buy a ferrari or a 50,000 sq m house even when I were billionaire. Same I just don't see the purpose of purchasing these things other than to brag with it. My opinion on money is that it's important up to the point where all your basic needs are covered and beyond that it's just a luxury that isn't really needed. And since almost all jobs in 1st world countries cover your basic needs the money factor is completely irrelevant to me. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 12 2018 20:34 Charoisaur wrote: Same I just don't see the purpose of purchasing these things other than to brag with it. My opinion on money is that it's important up to the point where all your basic needs are covered and beyond that it's just a luxury that isn't really needed. And since almost all jobs in 1st world countries cover your basic needs the money factor is completely irrelevant to me. To be fair, this is the european viewpoint. Many US jobs don't cover enough for sufficient helathcare for example. Or maybe you don't consider US first world and then you are completely right But in Europe, I agree, people who have money issues usually ahve problems with just spending too much on useless shit, not getting enough in. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2095 Posts
Same I just don't see the purpose of purchasing these things other than to brag with it. My opinion on money is that it's important up to the point where all your basic needs are covered and beyond that it's just a luxury that isn't really needed. And since almost all jobs in 1st world countries cover your basic needs the money factor is completely irrelevant to me. [/QUOTE] Very very true, especially with all the healthcare and welfare benefits you get from having a job that covers all your basic needs, and the fact that even tho you pay high taxes, the benefits in return are worth it. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
Don't give up! I think it's great that you were a progamer. We're the same age, and I once dreamed of being a progamer, but I went to college instead. You had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and you took it. In the future there won't be chances to become an RTS pro, so it's great that you did it when it was possible, and all of us who were there will remember the scene and tournaments that you contributed to, and that wouldn't have been possible without you having taken the sacrifice to go pro. We're really proud of you for doing the thing we all loved, but didn't dare to do. This is to say, don't worry about comparing yourself to other people. They were not brave enough to skip the normal path in order to follow their dreams like you did. Don't be ashamed that you weren't super super successful either, the mere fact that you lived the progamer life is glory already! Many people in college are older than 20-22. It's easy to recognise young people, because they are more immature and arrogant. But the older ones are more mature so their age is not as obvious. Doing military service can make you tougher and more hard-working (more valuable than being a spoiled college-kid with no work experience), and it pays a bit. In my experience, doing a Chemistry degree can suck if you're not into it. But don't be worried, it opens many opportunities! Please go book a meeting with your College careers adviser, they can show you all sorts of opportunities of careers that are interesting and rewarding, but don't force you to stay in the lab or learn picky useless things. It can help build confidence, and open your eyes to what opportunities are out there, if you can work to write a CV and list all your strengths. You may not realise it, but you having been a progamer, and doing Chemistry, give skills that are really valuable. You'll be be good at learning to use new software interfaces. A lot of technical jobs (think, being the person who runs the command center that controls the cryogenics and power infrastructure for a big factory/chemical plant) require you to learn how to use multiple pieces of proprietary software. Having been a progamer, you'll be really good at learning new hotkeys, how to perform repetitive computer tasks quickly and efficiently, and how to make quick decisions with little effort. Studying Chemistry is pretty lame, but actually doing Chemistry research (not so much Organic, but certainly Physical and Materials) consists entirely of using the computer to collect and analyse data. It's just like a game! You enter commands, and get results, then you analyse your results the way you'd analyse a replay - review and try to understand patterns so that you can improve. Studying a new topic is like learning build orders and timings for a new matchup. Chemistry is nice because the topics don't branch too much, if you learn all the things and how they connect, you'll be quite able to make good predictions. American institutions in particular really respect anyone who was 'competitive', typically for sports, but you could also argue that because your sport was digital, you are good at using computers. Also, when trying to use 'plays computer games' to get a job, be sure to emphasise that it wasn't you alone in a basement, but constantly interacting with other team-mates and discussing strategy in a team. Being able to weigh the options, and make quick strategy decisions quickly, is super valuable. For example, imagine you're playing a game, and you're dropping their expansion, but they come in and attack your natural. You have to make a quick decision. 1. Stay completely focused on the drop micro, but don't defend. 2. Queue up the attack moves as a suicide attack, abandon the drop and bring the medivac back, and defend the natural. 3. Bring the drop's units back to help defend the natural. You have to use the information available to you, to make that decision REALLY quickly. If there's a good chance for a base-trade, you'd do 1, if the drop could get back to help defend in time, you'd do 3. These are exactly the same ways of thinking, when working on management or strategy tasks. Imagine you're running a party for 100people, and considering buying some hats/glowsticks to sell at the event. You don't have a guarantee that the event will have anyone coming. 1. Buy $200-worth of stuff, hoping to sell it all. 2. Buy $50-worth of stuff, hoping to sell it all. 3. Buy $10-worth of stuff, and direct $40 towards promoting the event (pay some ppl to go and get other ppl to come). In a meeting, that decision needs to be made fast, and you need to have good reasons for your answer. If you think of it like a game, it's much easier. The overall goal is to make the most money (win the battle), don't invest all your money tied-into a super-lategame tech victory (similar to building a Wonder in Age of Empires) which has no guarantee of paying-off. Keep your strategy more flexible. Prioritise publicity, because once they're at the party people can give you money in other ways, but no one will give you money if they don't even come to the party. Even if this party flops, the fact that you did publicity gives your Brand some market awareness, which you can build-upon to convince more people to come next time. Therefore the best strategy is 3. Plus, going and doing market-research is like scouting - it tells you ahead-of-time if you're gonna lose and might as well GG early to not waste your time. That was an example to show that strategy decision-making is not something everyone can do, therefore its valuable, so you can get a job doing it. Careers like this include marketing, analytics, consulting, and sales. Chemistry (and math) teaches you to be comfortable using computers to make models, find trends, and process data. This is SUPER valuable! 80% of people with humanities degrees are useless at doing that! Those skills also open options towards business, management, and accountancy. Lastly, a lot of the specific things you study in college end up not being used. But you will benefit from the strength and determination required to complete those tasks, the skills you learn from throwing yourself into a new topic that you totally don't understand (like, the meta to a completely new game) and learning to figure-out how the system works. Check out this website, it really really helps UNDERSTAND calculus: betterexplained.com/cheatsheet The nice thing about doing calculus problems is that they're super safe and repetitive. They always have one right answer, and the mechanics of how to approach them is consistent between each problem. Think of it like macro. People don't have fun doing macro, and to improve you just have to grind and grind doing exactly the same moves over and over again, gradually getting faster. But then when you step away, applying your macro and MENTAL-APM to new jobs is easy. Rain hwaiting! | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On March 12 2018 21:10 opisska wrote: To be fair, this is the european viewpoint. Many US jobs don't cover enough for sufficient helathcare for example. Or maybe you don't consider US first world and then you are completely right But in Europe, I agree, people who have money issues usually ahve problems with just spending too much on useless shit, not getting enough in.Not sure how it works in Europe, but in the US your taxes are basically considered dead weight if you're 25 middle/upper middle class. There are next to zero social programs that benefit you, and zero public services that benefit you other than road maintenance and other relatively minor investments on the municipality's part. Public transit is hardly subsidized if at all, so people just own cars instead if you can afford it (ie gas, car payments, maintenance, insurance, safety inspections, etc). Healthcare is usually covered by any large company unless you have major surgeries/issues, then it becomes exceedingly expensive for the patient since your deductible doesn't cover most of it. Also, cost of living is high in the US and jobs aren't plentiful, meaning that you're often more or less forced to live in a high cost city while competing for low wage jobs. On top of that, most fresh graduates have a ton of student loan debt which takes a material amount of cashflow to safely handle. As a result, I think it's pretty easy to see why a lot of people care about money in the US, it is the lifeblood of your life. Without money you might be "free," but you can't travel and you certainly can't have an apartment, a gf, a car, an education, or a job. Like consider being a fresh graduate from UCLA and you want to work for google or twitter or something, large companies that pay better than their contemporaries/offer better benefits. If we assume that you're making like 55k out of school, then we can start budgeting on a monthly basis: Income 3200 - post tax job income Expenses 2200 - rent (this one is tricky. i googled average rent in SF, 1br came out at around 3.3k, 2br around 4.4k, so let's assume you get a roommate and call it even at 2.2k) 100 - internet/phone 300 - student loan costs, i just googled this one and rounded up for simplicity, it said "The monthly payment on a $25,000 student loan is approximately $280 " 300 - food 50 - gym 300 - car/gas/maint/insurance 50 - rental insurance Net Cashflow -200 - including only essentials for living in SF. this doesn't include having a gf, going out at all, buying entertainment, saving for the future, etc. all of that costs extra in the city too btw, so good luck. The budget also doesn't include any emergency costs/travel to see your parents/anything else.. You can also say "well what about cost of living adjustment!" In my experience, it's a myth outside of high end bankers in Manhattan. I have known a lot of people that live in LA/SF/NYC that just get paid 55k at entry level and are told the compensation will come as they advance. You can also say "just find a job in a cheaper place to live," but I think that the job markets are shrinking a lot faster than people know. Anecdotally, I knew and still know a lot of good students out of school that just can't find work (with good degrees, normally double majors, internship experience, good gpas, generally just strong undergraduate resumes). | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
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Cauld
United States350 Posts
I went back to school in my 30s, and most ppl were younger than me. But, I had a lot of experiences that helped. Some things taught in classes I understood because I had work experience in those subjects. Also, I was just better at school than I was 15 years earlier. Much more mature, much less procrastination, etc. One thing though: Are you sure Chemistry is for you? My understanding is that an BS/BA in Chemistry doesn't really do much for you. I could be wrong, but I was also a Chemistry major at one point about 15 yrs ago... I ended up switching out because I didn't want to go to grad school and I thought the only jobs it qualified me for was "lab tech". Anyway, if you ever come to NYC msg me and I'll buy you some beers  | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
you should invite your friends to germany... literally anyone with a decent qualification and fluent german gets a job here equal to your little math example. except rent is quite a lot less. infact spending more then a 1/3 of your net income on rent is rather rare for anyone with a normal income. soo if they dont mind putting up with a bunch of burocracy and learning german i think its a pretty decent idea. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
On March 13 2018 20:40 alpenrahm wrote: @ endymion you should invite your friends to germany... literally anyone with a decent qualification and fluent german gets a job here equal to your little math example. except rent is quite a lot less. infact spending more then a 1/3 of your net income on rent is rather rare for anyone with a normal income. soo if they dont mind putting up with a bunch of burocracy and learning german i think its a pretty decent idea. it really is a good idea, it's not super uncommon for people to just straight up uproot and leave to work elsewhere. I actually have a friend with a mechanical engineering undergrad that is thinking about moving to berlin to work. It just takes a very special kind of person to be willing to uproot from your home country and move to another continent, even more so if you have family/friends/gf in the states. it's a difficult situation all around for young people here, which explains a bit of the political anger that undertones a lot of domestic discussion. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
Best of luck. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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