So obviously my pro debut in DotA happened yesterday and we lost. We had practiced hard for it and I had a great time playing and I thought I did alright considering how nervous I was. Some back story. I arrived on the 29th with the promise and hopes of winning NSL Season 2. Obviously nothing in this world is guaranteed, but Febby told me we would train hard work together to win etc. The agreement was that I would join the team for a period of around 6 months and extend / shorten my stay depending on how we did as a group. I trusted Febby as I was leaving home for this, having to pay my own way to get there and I spent countless hours convincing my mom of this. I arrived at the house, we had some issues as our personalities sometimes clashed but I felt we had resolved and hashed it at all out. After our match a few hours ago, we all seemed depressed but Febby told me I played well, don't worry about it and throughout the process assured me that no matter what we'd try again and regroup for Season 3.
I was dismayed as it meant I had nothing to do, but obviously we couldn't anticipate Demon coming, and we also didn't play as well as we could have. Things happen, I tried my best to console my team who were utterly crushed at having lost in the first round, while Febby went out with his girlfriend. The rest of us went back to the team house, had dinner as a group and tried to console each other and it seemed like we were finally kind of getting over it. On a side note, as this is the first time I experienced losing as a pro, it's absolutely heartbreaking. Not just because of the fact that I lost on stage and with a lot of people watching and supporting me, that was secondary to the fact that my team was so utterly depressed. It saddened me greatly to see these great young guys who had given up so much be left with so little at the end of the day. Its a risk we all take knowingly, but it still blows and I respect the hell out of anybody that attempts to play this game professionally. Anyways we all get to the house around 1, I talk to my girlfriend, chat with people who sent me messages, read some message boards and go to sleep. I woke up to one of my teammates sobbing, and I was annoyed cuz it was 4am and I was so tired haha. I said don't cry its only a loss, we can bounce back from this I'm the oldest so its best put on a smile at all times. Even though I was upset after our games I put on a big smile so my team could see it was okay, and I asked him what was wrong and he told me Febby no longer believed in us and had quit the team. I was understandably upset as he had been my main point of contact and the main reason I had flown out. I mean we had made so many commitments to each other how we'd hold each other up throughout the process and no matter what we'd play in Season 3 and it would be okay, and here he was gone. This was the guy who was the captain, a point he stressed constantly to me, leaving me with a team I had been on for less then 6 days and expecting me to simply pick up where he left off. The worst part is I was told that he had been feeling like leaving for quite sometime, and had lined up plans with another team, and this was all apparently happening for quite sometime. I was absolutely floored. Not only did I just suffer the worst loss of my career (and even though its my only one its pretty shitty trust me) I had just been told that more or less irregardless of how we did he was going to leave and he had these feelings this entire time.
He stressed that he had issues living with the other teammates and that it wasn't fun for him anymore etc. Why couldn't he have told me this, I had other plans and options christ. Disclaimer: Apparently the reason he left was that he had been feeling like this for a while but he didn't know how to leave and wanted to see how Season 2 would play out. I had obviously come to win money as well, I'm not going to lie, but I also paid my way here on what is now an empty promise and words. My teams in disarray and everyone's upset, first they lose in the 1st round, now they lose their captain and the person that brought us all together. No idea what I'm going to do now, my options are either stay here and try and find a new 5th even though I don't know anyone at all, join another team, or go back home a failure. Either way I'm incredibly embarrassed that this all happened and I'm even more so upset that someone I put so much faith in just kinda left 4 hours after we lost and it had apparently been planned for as soon as we lost. That just affirms to me that he assumed we'd lose this game and was just waiting for his chance to peace?
The main purpose of the blog was because choya was afraid if Febby left and if I decided to leave that there would be drama that the team is bad or in the wrong somehow, or that the issue lied with the players. This is meant to absolve the organization and the remaining players of any guilt etc. IF I decide to leave the team right after Febby did I want most people to know why, as he was my main point of contact and my only friend going into this process. Thanks
Edit: It sucks even more for my team who are all kinda left in disarray not knowing what to do and not knowing if I'll stay or not. I told them I needed some time to consider my options and see what I can do as I don't wanna rush into another situation as blindly as I did in this one. They are all fantastic people who really made me feel at home and made me enjoy my stay here.
I had no idea you'd take the loss like you seem to have, but hey, you did well so chin up regarding that anyway. The actual issue at hand is quite a bit problematic indeed, though I hope you can make a decision you'll be happy with and remember to think things through properly.
EDIT: Maybe there's someone you could find as a replacement, do you think you could lead a team though?
So obviously my pro debut in DotA happened yesterday and we lost. We had practiced hard for it and I had a great time playing and I thought I did alright considering how nervous I was. Some back story.
I arrived on the 29th with the promise and hopes of winning NSL Season 2. Obviously nothing in this world is guaranteed, but Febby told me we would train hard work together to win etc. The agreement was that I would join the team for a period of around 6 months and extend / shorten my stay depending on how we did as a group. I trusted Febby as I was leaving home for this, having to pay my own way to get there and I spent countless hours convincing my mom of this. I arrived at the house, we had some issues as our personalities sometimes clashed but I felt we had resolved and hashed it at all out.
After our match a few hours ago, we all seemed depressed but Febby told me I played well, don't worry about it and throughout the process assured me that no matter what we'd try again and regroup for Season 3. I was dismayed as it meant I had nothing to do, but obviously we couldn't anticipate Demon coming, and we also didn't play as well as we could have. Things happen, I tried my best to console my team who were utterly crushed at having lost in the first round, while Febby went out with his girlfriend. The rest of us went back to the team house, had dinner as a group and tried to console each other and it seemed like we were finally kind of getting over it.
On a side note, as this is the first time I experienced losing as a pro, it's absolutely heartbreaking. Not just because of the fact that I lost on stage and with a lot of people watching and supporting me, that was secondary to the fact that my team was so utterly depressed. It saddened me greatly to see these great young guys who had given up so much be left with so little at the end of the day. Its a risk we all take knowingly, but it still blows and I respect the hell out of anybody that attempts to play this game professionally.
Anyways we all get to the house around 1, I talk to my girlfriend, chat with people who sent me messages, read some message boards and go to sleep. I woke up to one of my teammates sobbing, and I asked him what was wrong and he told me Febby no longer believed in us and had quit the team. I was understandably upset as he had been my main point of contact and the main reason I had flown out. I mean we had made so many commitments to each other how we'd hold each other up throughout the process and no matter what we'd play in Season 3 and it would be okay, and here he was gone. This was the guy who was the captain, a point he stressed constantly to me, leaving me with a team I had been on for less then 6 days and expecting me to simply pick up where he left off.
The worst part is I was told that he had been feeling like leaving for quite sometime, and had lined up plans with another team, and this was all apparently happening for quite sometime. I was absolutely floored. Not only did I just suffer the worst loss of my career (and even though its my only one its pretty shitty trust me) I had just been told that more or less irregardless of how we did he was going to leave and he had these feelings this entire time. He stressed that he had issues living with the other teammates and that it wasn't fun for him anymore etc. Why couldn't he have told me this, I had other plans and options christ.
By now I'm assuming I was brought in for Season 2 to win it for him so he could take his chunk of cash and peace for a better opportunity. (Disclaimer: This assumption is strong and not entirely unfounded) I had obviously come to win money as well, I'm not going to lie, but I also paid my way here on what is now an empty promise and words. My teams in disarray and everyone's upset, first they lose in the 1st round, now they lose there captain and the person that brought us all together. No idea what I'm going to do now, my options are either stay here and try and find a new 5th even though I don't know anyone at all, join another team, or go back home a failure.
Either way I'm incredibly embarrassed that this all happened and I'm even more so upset that someone I put so much faith in just kinda left 4 hours after we lost and it had apparently been planned for as soon as we lost. That just affirms to me that he assumed we'd lose this game and was just waiting for his chance to peace? I don't know this entire blog is a jumbled mess as I still haven't slept and its 8 am. The main purpose of this blog is to vent and be as transparent as possible so if I do leave or change my plans everyone knows why. If someone thinks I'm being petty or I was in the wrong here, sorry I just couldn't really contain it.
Thanks everyone that supported me btw throughout the entire process. Sorry for those who donated and funded my trip to Korea, I felt like I wasted your money and I'll do my best to individually pay you back.
And that absolutely sucks. My vote - for what it's worth - is to try to stick it out. It can't be easy being in your position, but if the team is going to stick together and look for a fifth, I think it'd be worthwhile staying with them.
I made an account to issue my condolences. That's fucking garbage. You're a truly good guy and I hope things work out for you. Chin up, press on, and make him regret his decision.
This osunds like an opportunity to me. Build from the ashes of the past and build yourself a strong team. It sounds to me like this team needs a leader, and you have the opportunity to take that. Obviously finding a fifth will be tough, but if you can show yourself as a strong personality and a leader for the other 3, they'll believe in you and help you find a fifth.
What a fucking cunt, he throws you the second game by dying as anti-mage against heroes that really has no way of stopping his split-push and then leaves the team 4 hours after.
Wow, just wow. That's really harsh from Febby, an incredible dick move. I mean, it's not like this is just a random online thing or something. This is the sort of shit that I've seen from people in WoW guilds, but I don't expect it to be done to someone that has travelled all the way across the world for this team! Really sucks to hear your forced in this shitty position. Restarting the team or leaving Korea after such little time is not something you would expect after only a few days . Stay strong Blitz, be sure to know that whatever you decide is completely up to you, totally not your fault in anyway and that there are plenty of people that support you. Blitz fighting! <3
Oh god, that blows! I hope you and the rest of the team will feel better about this soon... I guess... And I always thought Febby sounded like a pretty cool guy... Turns out he's a dick like so many people in eSports /:
As far as future plans go: I don't want to tell you what to do but if I was in your position, I'd stay on fOu for now and try to find a fifth guy or wait for another team to approach you. I guess you could be streaming to get some money as well. I'm pretty sure there are some fans out there who would be willing to help you out if you need anything as well.
Oh and no need to pay me back. I mainly supported you because I like you and your stream and because you had the opportunity to do something I would love to do myself but will most likely never have the chance to. If you'd just stream from time to time it'd be more than enough as a payback, for me at least.
PS: If you need a 5th player really badly, hit me up. I'm fucking terrible but I'm willing to sack all my money to go to Korea and play Dota :DD
EDIT: Oh yeah forgot: Hope everything turns out semi-well in the end. Stay strong Blitz-Oppa <3
Damn I'm sorry Blitz I think you're reacting rationally though. In fact, if I were you I would be wayyy more pissed at Febby for doing that but I don't know all the smaller details so maybe I'd be wrong. Such a bummer that you didn't know his plans on leaving before joining, you probably could have saved a lot of money and time :/
You had mentioned before that you were going to visit your family in addition to joining a team so you still get some use out of this trip even if you decide to come back, don't forget that! And if I were you I would stick it out, find another player, possibly another team even, and give it another few shots. Because an opportunity like this, even a failed one, opens doors. Just give it time!
Honestly I don't think Febby was trying to dick me, I just don't think he saw a future in the team, he just didn't really know how to leave and when he saw his chance he took it. I mean we all go through that phase, 3 days in I contacted someone saying this team isn't working cuz we had such a huge fight, but we resolved our differences and I thought we were cool. Sigh
On a serious note that sucks. Much respect if you stick it out, maybe you should look at cArn; hes an exSC guy who was looking to join MVP before demon did
I'm really sorry Blitz. It seems like Febby never seemed dedicated or like he cared. Like honestly why the hell is he always happy when fOu lost? Just seems to me like he didn't care at all.
That sucks big time. I hope you continue playing as I thought you did well in the games. Febby sounds like an absolute dick for not telling you about any of that and on top of that he fed a lot, you deserve better. Keep fighting!
What a terrible situation After I learned about your stream from Draskyl sub vs sub games I became a fan. Stay strong and remember there is always support for you! Hopefully you can continue the dream of playing professional Dota 2. Plus if Tony has to make a TL account to say something it's serious. Stay in Korea or go you will be supported for your decision!
Blitz your stream right when the dota 2 beta was one of my favorite things to have on, Its what got me excited about the game in the first place. I know you have the skill and the personality to come out on top of this hard time and lead fOu to a better place.
Febby isn't going to have the easiest time finding a new team after last night...you can play poorly and feed and whatnot but you can't just give up like he did.
Best of luck Blitz, hopefully fOu can get back on its feet
Augh holy crap what a situation. It's the most frustrating thing in the world when your path to success involves the dedication of people besides yourself, and when people decide to flake it's basically impossible to stick to the same plan. Bane of dota, I swear to god.
I hope that no matter what you do you go hard and you don't lose heart, you're an awesome person with a lot of courage to be even as far as you are now. hopefully things will get better soon, you've got a lot of people supporting you no matter what (like oh my god they're everywhere). wishing you the best! YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY LOVE YOU
TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
Good players/teams win - bad players lose. Bad players have two options: a) Regroup and train harder to become good players, to become winners. b) Whine and become crybabies.
Wow this sucks. I hope you will make the best out of the situation. Anyway just the fact you were trying to do this deserves a great amount of respect no matter the outcome. I don't know much about feeby, but I can imagine he will have a really difficult situation finding a new team, both because what happened in the games and outside of it. It's great you seem to get understand well with your other teammates, maybe you will be benefit from feeby leaving in the end.
On December 04 2013 08:33 Kraznaya wrote: TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Well, you can do it without Febby. Be strong, like EE got kicked became a nobody willing to play on a tier 3 team at the time Kaipi, look where he is now. Just be strong man. Even if you don't win you tried.
On December 04 2013 08:33 Kraznaya wrote: TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
On December 04 2013 08:33 Kraznaya wrote: TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
i don't think its wrong at all, but it does make me look at it more as an unsuccessful business venture than a dream crushed or something like that
like you said you still have a lot of assets available to you like the team house and a structured environment, as well as a shot at the season 3 prize money, so TBH i think u still have a pretty good hand if u stay on
not many people get to play dota against a diluted scene for tens of thousands of dollars
You know, back at MLG Columbus, I remember watching Pretty Boy Swag get rocked up on the main stage by Alliance (I think it was). I almost felt bad for them, since they were basically about to go out without a win, but then I realized that those dudes fucking love this game and they are up on the mainstage of MLG, playing against the team that won TI3. How many teams can say that?
Losing sucks, and there's no doubt that you'll have to make hard choices in the near future, but there's a lot for you to be proud of. I don't usually watch NSL, but if you're there in season 3, I'll be sure to tune in and cheer for you. <3
Is this Blitz's EE being kicked from Notidehunter?
If anything, this gives you something to reflect on. You're -still- in a scene where you've the capacity to be one of the top players, in a country with a strong work ethic and familiarity with scheduled gaming practice, and still have some of the fantastic english-speaking ambassadors that I'm sure you could get in touch with that know enough about esports to help you find your 5th player.
From a PR and personal development standpoint returning from Korea having lost and been betrayed and emptyhanded seems like the worst move. You lost, but don't be defeated!
On December 04 2013 08:33 Kraznaya wrote: TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
EVERYONE except the players on the WCG Korean Dota team was making a naked money grab in the Korean scene so I'm not sure what your point is.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
I'm gonna be blunt here and say that Febby was the reason they lost both game. Blitz did well considering the position he got in both game. That no buyback death antimage and feeding weaver though, nothing could have save them for that. That being said, things happens and sometimes we have no control over it.
On December 04 2013 08:33 Kraznaya wrote: TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
EVERYONE except the players on the WCG Korean Dota team was making a naked money grab in the Korean scene so I'm not sure what your point is.
who said I liked them
tbh I really think the Korean scene is overhyped and over covered compared to scenes like the Philippines and South America where people are passionate about dota and have been for years, but o well what can u do when nexon offers hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone who can be in the country to take it
I guess finding people from the SEA region to be your fifth could be a good choice. There are many talented players here that are eager to show that they've got what it takes to be a top tier pro.
You guys scrim alot with SEA teams right? Plus most of them speak decent English.
Hope you carry on, don't give up! Stay strong blitzuu <3
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
at least from my perspective, you went to Korea because you thought that, as a player, could make a difference in korean dota, whereas in the west you wouldn't have this opportunity because of how the scene, competition, quality of players, etc is today. That still holds true, especially because you lost to a team with Demon, who really is a pro player (as you said your pro career amounts to one game, his a little more than that), not to a "normal" korean team.
In my opinion you can bring a lot to korean dota. They still need better knowledge in map awareness, rotation, knowing when not to tp alone in front of a QoP, why the meta is the way it is on the West, etc and that's something you can impart on them, at least up to a certain level. You may not be Puppey, but your Dota knowledge is sound, you have pro contacts to throw ideas with (you are a friends with a guy who won the International, the guy that won the game against you today, others), and you've been playing this game for way longer than most koreans.
Also, all the things I mentioned above could be more easily implemented by a captain than by another player, so maybe you should consider taking up the mantle, or at least trying.
Evaluate your play today not counting demon, did you feel any of the other players outplayed you heavily? Because they are the ones you will be playing against usually.
Bring a fifth, test the grounds, even try playing in a new position. Try to make it work.
On December 04 2013 08:34 peidongyang wrote: yeah i dont really see how febby is gonna get on a new team as easily
thats one like cwm strike for febby =D
ya except cwms actually talented unlike febby
so while it matters for cwm since otherwise he would be on a t1 team it really doesnt for febby
not so sure about that. I can see febby doing well in the future as his mechanics are there. Its just that his decision making sucks but that will be fixed afer a player get enough competitive experience. Given the average Korean dota match right now, i would rate febby somewhere in top 10 korean players i have seen.
On December 04 2013 08:34 peidongyang wrote: yeah i dont really see how febby is gonna get on a new team as easily
thats one like cwm strike for febby =D
ya except cwms actually talented unlike febby
so while it matters for cwm since otherwise he would be on a t1 team it really doesnt for febby
not so sure about that. I can see febby doing well in the future as his mechanics are there. Its just that his decision making sucks but that will be fixed afer a player get enough competitive experience. Given the average Korean dota match right now, i would rate febby somewhere in top 10 korean players i have seen.
thats like saying hes the best student on the short bus
febby wasnt even average in ixdl, thats a far cry from a player on a t1 pro team
On December 04 2013 08:33 Kraznaya wrote: TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
EVERYONE except the players on the WCG Korean Dota team was making a naked money grab in the Korean scene so I'm not sure what your point is.
who said I liked them
tbh I really think the Korean scene is overhyped and over covered compared to scenes like the Philippines and South America where people are passionate about dota and have been for years, but o well what can u do when nexon offers hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone who can be in the country to take it
People in the E-sport world expect good things from Korea when it comes to gaming. They have the best LoL and SC2 players in the world, and you could even say that Korea is the Mecca of e-sport with things that they've been doing for years with the games and Kespa and the media coverage. You can't really compared them to SEA or SA scene about these things. If anything, the Korean has better chance to play the game, learn, and improve, with all the support from the sponsors unlike teams from SEA or SA. Never underestimate them when it comes to gaming.
Ok, Blitz, firs please chill the fuck out. I am no pro-dota player, but believe me I had similar situations and right now, while you have all the reasons to feel like that, you are completely overreacting.
[ wall of bad english text incoming to crush your wall of text, this is an only punishment you deserve for your loss ]
First, let's think about this whole situation sarcastically, sometimes circumstances are so fucked up that later you even laught remembering them. You flew across the globe to start your pro career and following happens:
- Febby, who you should mainly work with, is actually not that nice, and has other plans
- In your first game you get freacking DeMoN, who is actually pretty good and, more importantly, experienced in this kind of situations.
- You get outpicked (mostly because demon gets playmakers and you get semi-carry and higly team-dependent heroes)
- It was a lot easier for Jimmy: he already lost almost everything in his career, just rememer Dignitas before MLG. He got crushed by that.
- Febby abandons the team. Epic punchline. Well, maybe you should also get food poisonig so you will be actually certan that this is all complete absurd.
This whole situation is a joke, but sometimes life likes to joke around. End of story, no need to be frustrated about that. Do not be ashamed of situation that you couldn't change.
You should stop to be depressed and focus on following things in my honest opinion:
- you are the best player on the team, inspire, play matchmaking and scrims and crush opponents so everyone believes in the team. Stream for your fans and be, well, you.
- what went wrong with picks and how you can you maximize game impact of yourself, and minimize teammates mistakes impact.
- Febby is gone? GOOD, one communication and attitude problem solved. You have time to recruit and try new player.
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I'm not your biggest fan, I'm not trying to be smartass or teach you anything, and honestly should've just PM-ed you, but that would be kind of creepy I guess.
I'm just a man who was, is, and probably will have much worse things in his life in about 10 hours; and everything is gonna be fine at the end of the day... or maybe not, in which case everything is gonna be really bad
Don't fret blitz, you still have a lot of opportunities in front of you. From what I saw on the Korean broadcast, I think you have great potential in keeping a team together. It looked like you always wanted to talk and communicate with your team, its probably something that Korean teams lack due to the Asian tendency to keep their feelings & thoughts to themselves after making mistakes (source: I'm Asian). You always learn more from mistakes and I think this can be a good example for you guys to use and improve upon. Your positive attitude is something Febby probably lacked, and that is more valuable in the long run for a team. Best of luck Blitz! Google more pictures of corgis if you're still sad
I'm going to bite the bullet and going to say that Febby seemed like the weakest link after QO left the team (not saying QO is bad. I thought he was the best player in FXOpen/fOu although he seems to have digressed a bit last night), making questionable plays after fOu changed his role to 1 (ES mid against DK in Invitational, feeding as Weaver of all heroes)... Maybe he needs a break, maybe a new team, but I don't think he has his priorities straight. Apparently he thought since fOu placed 2nd on 1st season WITH March (not on team anymore) he thought it would be a breeze but...not the case.
As a devout Korean doto follower, some advice I can give you are apply to be a BJ (broadcast jockey) at Afreeca until you can find replacements or another team (seriously hoping it don't come to that point). Gaming portal websites like inven.co.kr are looking for good streamers that can get viewers - you have the experience, the know-how, the connections (friends with lots of famous DOTA 2 personalities), and good mid plays - you can earn some quick money doing that. I don't think limited Korean knowledge would hurt in this case. And Korean DOTA scene is very hungry for streamers like you right now - lots of Korean DOTA websites rely on contents from sites like joindota, reddit and DotaCinema for content. Another obvious choice would be to teach English in Korea :p
Good luck as a fellow Korean, the opportunity is DEFINITELY there - Nexon is pouring millions of won into this game, every player/team has had to go through shit like this - don't be discouraged and keep on truckin'.
On December 04 2013 09:25 BetterThingsAreComin wrote:
- You get outpicked (mostly because demon gets playmakers and you get semi-carry and higly team-dependent heroes)
This is pretty important.
You are much likely the 2nd best and most experienced player in Korea.
Because of that you should get heroes that allow you to lead the team, and snowball like hell. Storm, QoP, SF, Puck, you should try and always grab an hero that can rotate early and is able to snowball hard, so you can control the tempo of your team and your oponents.
Ofc, eventually the korean scene will become stronger, but for now you should play with snowball/tempo setter heroes. YOU MUST LEAD.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
MVP has significantly more experienced players than fOu. If you switch Demon and Blitz in the different teams, MVP would have still won. Demon did well in one game because all his team did was stack him. In the second when he played QOP he did well because the weaver constantly fed him.
I'm not saying Demon played poorly, but if you think the difference in the win was somehow that one team had Demon and the other had Blitz, then you don't know shit about Dota. The better team won.
Everyone isn't as big of an asshole as you. Just because you think all decisions are made to make a quick buck, doesn't mean that's what everyone does. Blitz's reasons for going to Korea are perfectly justified, and I'm sure if all he wanted was to make a living he'd give up on playing and just go into casting/streaming.
If your team wants to keep trying and fOu wants to keep the team, why not give another season a go? You guys can bond over this experience and make it an awesome comeback story!
From what I've seen, it's not like Febby showed outstanding quality anyway. Though in hindsight that might have had something to do with his state of mind based on what you said about him wanting to leave for a while.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
MVP has significantly more experienced players than fOu. If you switch Demon and Blitz in the different teams, MVP would have still won. Demon did well in one game because all his team did was stack him. In the second when he played QOP he did well because the weaver constantly fed him.
I'm not saying Demon played poorly, but if you think the difference in the win was somehow that one team had Demon and the other had Blitz, then you don't know shit about Dota. The better team won.
If you think being able to win the mid lane heavily doesn't significantly influences the outcome of the game, which was exactly what happened in both games, then I really don't know what to say. I mean, if your mid player lost the lane as viper to shadow fiend, and you say that doesn't really matter...
Also, Tobi's promise of a statement being released by G-League regarding the situation last year was never fulfilled, I wonder that is.
VERY unfortunate Blitz. But that's how it goes with teams who try to establish themselves in the scene. It is almost always a trying matter, and only the most stable groups of people make it through. Even then, everyone is aware of how easily pro teams disband of things like this.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
MVP has significantly more experienced players than fOu. If you switch Demon and Blitz in the different teams, MVP would have still won. Demon did well in one game because all his team did was stack him. In the second when he played QOP he did well because the weaver constantly fed him.
I'm not saying Demon played poorly, but if you think the difference in the win was somehow that one team had Demon and the other had Blitz, then you don't know shit about Dota. The better team won.
If you think being able to win the mid lane heavily doesn't significantly influences the outcome of the game, which was exactly what happened in both games, then I really don't know what to say.
You don't need to say anything to me as you clearly don't understand the game.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
MVP has significantly more experienced players than fOu. If you switch Demon and Blitz in the different teams, MVP would have still won. Demon did well in one game because all his team did was stack him. In the second when he played QOP he did well because the weaver constantly fed him.
I'm not saying Demon played poorly, but if you think the difference in the win was somehow that one team had Demon and the other had Blitz, then you don't know shit about Dota. The better team won.
If you think being able to win the mid lane heavily doesn't significantly influences the outcome of the game, which was exactly what happened in both games, then I really don't know what to say.
You don't need to say anything to me as you clearly don't understand the game.
Ok, I'm just gona go play my low level trench pub as viper and lose my lane to SF every game and hope it works out for the best.
it's okay Blitz. we believe in you, and Choya is a great manager. you can talk to him and see if he can help in anyway maybe and see what can be done? =( Sorry man.
ignore thoughts about failure. what's more pertinent at this moment now is what's the next step. recruit the 5th or return to the US. how do you feel about korea? as you can see the skill difference is terribad. If you want to continue your pro career, does it make sense to be in Korea or back in the US? you do get more exposure being in Korea because you are a bigger fish than them to the international market. what do you feel for the moment now? if you return back, the community still welcomes you back. we all try stuff in life and not everything sticks. welcome to adulthood. take some time to feel the situation. maybe Febby leaving was all part of the plan so that you can take control of the team and bring them up to your standards. take some time to see how it feels... give yourself a time frame and if it works it works. if not, you know you've tried, not everything in life works out because we'll never know why too.
Dude, I was never one to jump in this Blitz will win Korea Dota bandwagon thing, considering how this was all rushed and you took forever to even go to Korea. But please, don't give up. Don't let this turn into ROOT thing. I'm sorry for being cliche, but it's not how you never stumble, but how you get back up from falling.
Blitz, you seem like a good person (based on the one short interaction we had in SF LAN), and I think you have a good head on your shoulders. It's courageous and encouraging just to know that you took this huge step of faith to go out there, trusting Febby and paying your own way. I'm sorry it didn't work out, but don't stop believing in yourself. Although it doesn't really help with whatever decision you make, the truth is, whatever decision you make will be the right one. Keep pursuing your dreams and desires for yourself, and keep treating people around you with love and respect--that will be far more important in your lifetime than whether you succeed or fail (win or lose).
heres my 2cents from someone whos been in close touch with the scene for a very long time. firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all.
blitz (or will), you are one of the best players in korea. you dont have to act as if you are, but know that you are and what you can do with your skills. you are there so you should make the best of it, febby or not. you shouldnt go home unless you are absolutely forced to, because it seems like you still have the motivation and passion to do well. this is only one loss, and nobody hasnt lost in dota, and we all know how many times players can hop from one team to another before they find success.
On December 04 2013 08:33 Kraznaya wrote: TBH I have a very hard time feeling sorry for you when you started your pro career with a naked money grab at the Korean sponsorship league (which IMO was done very poorly for what its goals were and Demon's team is going to be proof of that). If you truly wanted to be a pro for the sake of being a dota pro, why didn't you build a real team up in the West, where you actually live and have contacts? You would have a much better choice of teammates, have much better scrim partners, etc.
EVERYONE except the players on the WCG Korean Dota team was making a naked money grab in the Korean scene so I'm not sure what your point is.
who said I liked them
tbh I really think the Korean scene is overhyped and over covered compared to scenes like the Philippines and South America where people are passionate about dota and have been for years, but o well what can u do when nexon offers hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone who can be in the country to take it
It actually has a lot of strategic importance.
LoL is huge in Korea not to mention eSports in general, any eSport that makes it big in Korea gets massive exposure and often ends up big around the world. LoL's eSport success around the world can be heavily attributed to the Korean scene.
If we can somehow get a foothold in Korea, Dota will become twice as big as it is now. Same can't be said of any other region right now. We can never be sure that Dota will be THE world game of eSports (like Football of sports), but there would be 0 debate about it if it ever took over LoL in the home of eSports.
For many, Dota has already succeeded, but for me I wouldn't consider Dota successful till it has surpassed LoL. There isn't much left of HoN now and every minor moba is being engulfed by Dota and LoL, eventually one of these will take over as the primary moba which people will flock to for their eSports fix. If we don't we also risk getting overtaken by a genre which has a single unified community.
Its a trend that doesn't seem to change, most people don't want to follow multiple games of the same genre. There were multiple RTS's trying to get a foothold in the eSports scene, there was a lot of competition, but eventually only one made it to the end. A good example is the Fighting game scene, Street Fighter is considered THE esports fighter, even though there is a ton of competition (guilty gear/blazblue, MVC, smash) and hardcore fanbases in the lesser known games.
Sucks that this is happening. Febby really didn't seem like he was playing as well as he has in the past, particularly that Weaver game, so it may have been playing on his mind even then. But best of luck, hopefully you find a way to make this all work and do well in Season 3.
Yeah this sucks but it is also a huge opportunity for you as well, is how one should look at it. You paid for the flight you might as well make the most of it..
You can try to set up and be the captain of this team (including drafting). You still have a team house right? Find a 5th and try to make it work. You should practice non-stop until the next NSL. You still have a great shot at winning it. You should teach your team these strats in addition to the regular protect the carry:
Pugna push strat Wisp + Tiny (other carries as well) Doombringer
This would also mean they wouldn't be able to ban SS (not sure if you care), And would open up much more space for you to out-draft the other team.
Febby played horrible, not sure how he did in scrims, so his loss is a net gain. The enigma player suffered from indecision, you can't wait for the perfect black hole you just have to use it (not his fault entirely with Rubick on the enemy team but still).
Summary: Febby is an asshole. The situation has not changed dramatically, you still have nothing to lose and one more chance. I hope you do not give up.
tbh, Febby was playing awful dota of late. You didn't go into detail about your team argument/fight, but if he had any part in that, I can only think that his leaving is a major positive for the team going forward. You don't really want someone who isn't committed to your team anyway.
I'm sure it sucks right now and you're really sad, but do step back and reassess where your team stands. I think you still have a much better team environment over there in Korea than you could have in the west, even if the current skill level might be lower. You went to Korea with a goal of becoming a professional player -- are you sure you can give that up now?
Whatever you decide, I wish you good luck. I've been a fan of yours for a while, so I look forward to seeing you in whatever it is you do next.
I missed the games! But Blitz, you must consult the waifu. Let Purge embrace you. Guide you. You must become stronger than you've ever been. It is your destiny. Rise up! And become who you are meant to be. A true Purge gamer...
On December 04 2013 08:34 peidongyang wrote: yeah i dont really see how febby is gonna get on a new team as easily
thats one like cwm strike for febby =D
ya except cwms actually talented unlike febby
so while it matters for cwm since otherwise he would be on a t1 team it really doesnt for febby
not so sure about that. I can see febby doing well in the future as his mechanics are there. Its just that his decision making sucks but that will be fixed afer a player get enough competitive experience. Given the average Korean dota match right now, i would rate febby somewhere in top 10 korean players i have seen.
Yeah except febby has been playing at "pro" level since WC3 dota (dota 1 such a crude term amirite?). Out of all the players in the scene, I don't think the lack of competitive experience is a valid excuse that can apply to febby.
Yeah but you spent so much money getting there. If he had cold feet, he should have told you immediately, its the morally correct thing to do. Bring your team down with you, but not somebody who has invested so much to come to Korea- its completely inconsiderate/rude to dick you like that, regardless if it was intentional.
I'll just say that in addition to sticking it out, practicing with your team-mates and sifting for a proper fifth player; you should go for practice w/ DeMoN and MVP as much as possible even with stand-ins locally, as Demon's the only guy there who has more professional-level experience than you. This will also keep your team in shape and give them experience against the team who's IMO the favorite now to win Season 2. This will give you a good indication of how strong your team is as a whole in Korea.
However, don't limit yourself to just Korea in training. Scrim as much as possible with SEA teams and players as well, as these guys have a boatload of pro-level experience and can show you a drafting style that gets elements from China and Europe playstyles. You can leverage your contacts for that (like Winter and GoDz), and it gives them a glimpse on how Korea will stack up with them once the whole scene gets going there. It will give you a better handle on drafting and map control, which is where most Korean teams have issues vs each other or more importantly, more experienced non-Korean teams.
Finally, DON'T BE AFRAID to experiment. Even if your exposure might mean you'll probably end up doing a SyndereN with your team (captaining from the solo mid slot) for the meantime, you have to eventually leverage your knowledge to drafting and map control. So if you think that using a 4 slot playmaker (Rubick, Windrunner etc.) as your position along with captainship will enable you to control the tempo better as a whole for the team, then GO FOR IT. You might be a great mid, but if the team grows to the point where the individual mechanics are less important (i.e. everyone's on a similar level) and your shot-calling is where the games will end up getting won or lost, do it.
This is some shitty news indeed Blitz. I think if you decide to stay the search for your 5th will be a big bonding experience for you and the rest of your team. I also agree with asdinni that people who helped you get to Korea did so because they believed in the cause, not to gain some future compensation. Should you decide to stick around, you could always host global scouting try-outs for any pub-stompers that can pay their own way to Korea, should they be selected. I know I'd try and compete and the whole process could be a really fun thing to stream or incorporate through your Twitch following.
Shitty ideas aside, remember that you will have fans no matter you decide to do. I mean, I made this account and this was the lowest number left!
On December 04 2013 11:28 BombaySensei wrote: tbh, Febby was playing awful dota of late. You didn't go into detail about your team argument/fight, but if he had any part in that, I can only think that his leaving is a major positive for the team going forward. You don't really want someone who isn't committed to your team anyway.
I'm sure it sucks right now and you're really sad, but do step back and reassess where your team stands. I think you still have a much better team environment over there in Korea than you could have in the west, even if the current skill level might be lower. You went to Korea with a goal of becoming a professional player -- are you sure you can give that up now?
Whatever you decide, I wish you good luck. I've been a fan of yours for a while, so I look forward to seeing you in whatever it is you do next.
basically every fight in a korean dota team happens because an NA korean player yells at his teammates in frustration because of how bad his teammates are
and then they do the typical average dota player thing where they try to defend themselves and it causes the NA player to get even more frustrated
and then there's frustration from feeling powerless to help your teammates get better because a lot of this shit just takes a lot of time to learn
I've been looking for a team to root for in DotA and now i have one. Go FoU! seriously though. Stick with it if it makes you happy. You won't regret it.
On December 04 2013 09:02 BAMK wrote: lol @ the wannabe contrarians. I thought we had flame rules for that shit. Or is it non-blogs only?
free speech, the line between honest opinion and what you consider "flame" can be very thin, obviously mods are trying to stay fair I feel very conflicted, Blitz. It's quite obvious that this whole situation sucks for you and that you're not really at fault here, but at the same time a part of me has lost some respect for you as a player. I know I'm being unreasonable here, you're a person first and a player second, but I can't escape this notion of the ideal professional who encounters bad situations but stays silent and manages to pull through. It's quite understandable that you'd want to vent your frustrations and show the world that nothing is your fault - and it isn't, so I don't blame you - but a part of me still feels this way. Good luck, anyway.
On December 04 2013 10:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: heres my 2cents from someone whos been in close touch with the scene for a very long time. firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all.
You're so stupid that reading this made me more physically ill then Febby actually leaving. I came to the scene because I thought it would be a fun experience and it was the only team offer I had. I assumed we would be favorites because fOu got second only to Startale and hadn't dropped a game in NSL up until the finals. I never said I was going to be an automatic star player, and by the way the only we reason we had last that game was due to DeMoN. Not the Korean scene, DeMoN. I didn't 'underestimate' the Korean scene, I was well aware of where it was skill wise you fuckwit. I even made a tweet saying the individual skill was quite high but the teamwork aspect was lacking. As far as 'how volatile the korean scene is' I wasn't aware of that part considering I wasn't told that there was any issues in the first place with the team. Last night Febby telling me he had issues was the first I had ever known that he had issues at all. The only person not showing proper respect here is you o.o
On December 04 2013 09:02 BAMK wrote: lol @ the wannabe contrarians. I thought we had flame rules for that shit. Or is it non-blogs only?
free speech, the line between honest opinion and what you consider "flame" can be very thin, obviously mods are trying to stay fair I feel very conflicted, Blitz. It's quite obvious that this whole situation sucks for you and that you're not really at fault here, but at the same time a part of me has lost some respect for you as a player. I know I'm being unreasonable here, you're a person first and a player second, but I can't escape this notion of the ideal professional who encounters bad situations but stays silent and manages to pull through. It's quite understandable that you'd want to vent your frustrations and show the world that nothing is your fault - and it isn't, so I don't blame you - but a part of me still feels this way. Good luck, anyway.
You were going to find out that Febby had left the team shortly, and if you heard that I had left the team shortly after it would've seemed as if we mutually abandoned the team or that something was wrong with fOu. I wanted people to clearly know that the organization or that the existing members were not at fault here. If that meant throwing Febby under the bus he made his bed.
this story sucks and i feel sorry for you blitz. but welcome to the real life! life sucks and at the end you die! just dont give up! its not a failure yet, it becomes one when you give up and leave korea. a wise man once said:"if you are going through hell, keep going!" you are in the middle of korea which means you are in the best place to dive deeper into the scene. it may take a while, it also could be a risk. but you should be able to find talent there you could recruit. the rest of you team just needs to stay strong and together. its not like "oh in korea are only 20 good players and they are in teams. there is no player 21 and 22" . if you keep looking you will find this player 21 and 22(numbers were picked randomly :D ) who are promising enough to join a team. just dont fucking give up, you hear me? keep going, you can do it!
ill prolly keep playing the quit option wasnt really mine i just asked tenbird for advice and he said those were my three most probable routes. I like the people and stuff I'm just in shock that I'm left with the responsibility of a team just moments after we lost lol
On December 04 2013 10:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: heres my 2cents from someone whos been in close touch with the scene for a very long time. firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all.
You're so stupid that reading this made me more physically ill then Febby actually leaving. I came to the scene because I thought it would be a fun experience and it was the only team offer I had. I assumed we would be favorites because fOu got second only to Startale and hadn't dropped a game in NSL up until the finals. I never said I was going to be an automatic star player, and by the way the only we reason we had last that game was due to DeMoN. Not the Korean scene, DeMoN. I didn't 'underestimate' the Korean scene, I was well aware of where it was skill wise you fuckwit. I even made a tweet saying the individual skill was quite high but the teamwork aspect was lacking. As far as 'how volatile the korean scene is' I wasn't aware of that part considering I wasn't told that there was any issues in the first place with the team. Last night Febby telling me he had issues was the first I had ever known that he had issues at all. The only person not showing proper respect here is you o.o
You should know to ignore the trolls.
3/4 of the posts are telling you to stick with the team, of the remaining most of them are telling you to make your own choice but still keep competing in korea, stop replying to the 5% of posts which are trolls.
I want to be honest this time, I'm really glad we got to hear what's being going on, but now is the time to grow a fucking pair and make a decision and stick with it.
You are acting like a kid, you don't need us to console you, you need to be mature and stand up for your team and you know it. You don't have your mummy and daddy to run to anymore, be prepared to put the weight of the team on your shoulders.
If you can do that, everyone will love you and support you to the best of their ability, if you can't, people will think you're a coward. To me the decision is obvious, this is a make or break moment for your career, its actually a great opportunity, to show everyone that you are one that can make a star team, not a team of stars.
After all these posts, the least you could do is write a post saying thankyou and man up and tell everyone that you are going to lead this team to victory (or maybe I missed it). To me and I'm sure most of the others, the decision is clear. You came all the way to korea to compete with fOu, the team is DEPENDING ON YOU, if you had any heart you wouldn't even consider leaving them behind because it would destroy those poor souls.
But I'm not you, and I'm not super tilted, and we don't completely understand your situation.
After being a coach for 5 years I've learned a lot, and trust me, at least you don't have to manage a team of rebellious teenagers who are only a few years younger and have psychotic parents. I lost my voice almost every week. Sorry for acting like a hater, your posts just really annoyed me for some reason, I know I'm a nobody to you.
Glad to see you edited out the line about paying people back. Don't even let that cross your mind. People didn't support you because they expected a return or even that they expected you to win it all. People supported you because they wanted you to have a chance to chase your dream because you seem like a genuine dude. Regardless of the tournament results, you're there, you played a match on a pro team. That's what the support was for.
On December 04 2013 10:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: heres my 2cents from someone whos been in close touch with the scene for a very long time. firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all.
You're so stupid that reading this made me more physically ill then Febby actually leaving. I came to the scene because I thought it would be a fun experience and it was the only team offer I had. I assumed we would be favorites because fOu got second only to Startale and hadn't dropped a game in NSL up until the finals. I never said I was going to be an automatic star player, and by the way the only we reason we had last that game was due to DeMoN. Not the Korean scene, DeMoN. I didn't 'underestimate' the Korean scene, I was well aware of where it was skill wise you fuckwit. I even made a tweet saying the individual skill was quite high but the teamwork aspect was lacking. As far as 'how volatile the korean scene is' I wasn't aware of that part considering I wasn't told that there was any issues in the first place with the team. Last night Febby telling me he had issues was the first I had ever known that he had issues at all. The only person not showing proper respect here is you o.o
for someone who claims to have come here to "have fun" you seem to be crying about your current position quite a bit. you obviously wanted more out of this experience than just to have fun otherwise you wouldnt have made a post on tl the morning after to whine about your predicament and earn some sympathy points from your fans. again, you making a joke (or maybe you were being serious) about how you were going to get 15 kills or whatever shows that you thought this tournament would be a cakewalk. demon isnt the sole reason you were knocked out so early, and tbh the amount of disrespect youre showing to the other players of team mvp phoenix is astounding. even without demon they were more likely to win than you. in case you havent noticed march left fou a while ago, meaning you werent playing for the same team that came 2nd in the first season of nsl. again, this was your mistake by not taking this seriously enough. also, from my sources febby has been in contact with other team members from a long time ago, so that he can find a new team after his apparent falling out with march. him not telling you this is bad luck on your part, and you have been victimised but again, lack of awareness/cautiousness has put you in your current situation. i wasnt trying to be disrespectful, but i couldnt just ignore this either. febby may be the dickhead in this scenario, but i didnt want people to only think febby was the cause for this mess. we havent heard his story and the sad truth is you could have avoided this all if you had got off your high horse and accepted the very real possibility that you would not win nsl2
On December 04 2013 10:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: heres my 2cents from someone whos been in close touch with the scene for a very long time. firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all.
You're so stupid that reading this made me more physically ill then Febby actually leaving. I came to the scene because I thought it would be a fun experience and it was the only team offer I had. I assumed we would be favorites because fOu got second only to Startale and hadn't dropped a game in NSL up until the finals. I never said I was going to be an automatic star player, and by the way the only we reason we had last that game was due to DeMoN. Not the Korean scene, DeMoN. I didn't 'underestimate' the Korean scene, I was well aware of where it was skill wise you fuckwit. I even made a tweet saying the individual skill was quite high but the teamwork aspect was lacking. As far as 'how volatile the korean scene is' I wasn't aware of that part considering I wasn't told that there was any issues in the first place with the team. Last night Febby telling me he had issues was the first I had ever known that he had issues at all. The only person not showing proper respect here is you o.o
for someone who claims to have come here to "have fun" you seem to be crying about your current position quite a bit. you obviously wanted more out of this experience than just to have fun otherwise you wouldnt have made a post on tl the morning after to whine about your predicament and earn some sympathy points from your fans. again, you making a joke (or maybe you were being serious) about how you were going to get 15 kills or whatever shows that you thought this tournament would be a cakewalk. demon isnt the sole reason you were knocked out so early, and tbh the amount of disrespect youre showing to the other players of team mvp phoenix is astounding. even without demon they were more likely to win than you. in case you havent noticed march left fou a while ago, meaning you werent playing for the same team that came 2nd in the first season of nsl. again, this was your mistake by not taking this seriously enough. also, from my sources febby has been in contact with other team members from a long time ago, so that he can find a new team after his apparent falling out with march. him not telling you this is bad luck on your part, and you have been victimised but again, lack of awareness/cautiousness has put you in your current situation. i wasnt trying to be disrespectful, but i couldnt just ignore this either. febby may be the dickhead in this scenario, but i didnt want people to only think febby was the cause for this mess. we havent heard his story and the sad truth is you could have avoided this all if you had got off your high horse and accepted the very real possibility that you would not win nsl2
I DONT GIVE A FUCK THAT I LOST NSL 2. What part of that dont you understand. I fully accept that it was a risk. I'm upset that the guy who was my main point of contact left me w/o giving indication that anything was amiss. How could I have avoided it, Febby never hinted that anything was wrong and none of my teammates also had no idea that anything was amiss. How is it 'bad luck'.
i never said you were only upset about losing nsl. my point is that you obviously came with expectations to win because you were sacrificing so much of your own time and money. if you had researched beforehand you would have known that your chances were slim and that would have affected your whole decision on moving to korea. as you said, febby having those thoughts for a while now only meant that he wasnt expecting to win in the first place. you could have figured this out for yourself if you were more aware. all im trying to make clear is that febby isnt the only one at fault here
The only real team I knew you playing in was root. and that was even a t2/3 team in the NA scene. Not sure why this comes as a big suprise. Just have fun in Korea and try to actually build something.
Blitz! Stay strong man, I've always loved watching your stream and I hope you can work everything out. If you need someone to take you out to dinner in Seoul, send me a PM, no joke.
You kept mentioning "team offer" etc. But have you considered that none of the team offers you a spot because of your skill? Also if you want to find a team, #hardwork #dedication etc, you can't just lazily wait for an offer (same goes for applying for jobs, everyone knows this if you have ever tried to find jobs)
Sad that your main point of contact has left you. If you have no communication problems with your team(language-wise), i recommend you should just sit down and have a discussion(including the coach/manager/choya). Having fly all the way to korea just to lose 2 games to get knocked out of a tournament is not a very enjoyable feeling. We all get that.
My advice is just to CALM YO TITS and map out your future. Of course, a few days of raging and disbelief is natural. Just get yourself back and think logically instead of blaming Febby(doesn't means he doesnt deserve to get blamed).
Febby is like 17 years old or something. It's weird to listen to a kid and go half way around the world. I thought you get in FoU from legit contact like Choya or something.
Get a better carry and assign someone else as captain. Considering how AWFUL Febby played (that embarassing weaver with lvl 1 ulti? what?), it's probably a good thing in the long run.
Though I kind of find it funny he thinks the team is bad, when korean dota is pretty bad in general. Not really classic korean 'no giving up' mentality there.
Hi guys, to add to the most drama fueled day of my life, it looks like I'm leaving fOu. With Febby gone this leaves one remaining english speaker on the team, and another member just quit and the rest aren't sure whether or not the will continue. I urge you to not flame Febby, he made a huge mistake, but he is genuinely sorry and came back to make amends with us all individually. As far as the team goes, I had a blast for the 6 days I was here and every single person I met was super helpful. The teammates and coaches made me feel super at home and when I gave them my decision to leave they were super excited for me and said they were sorry I was in such an unfortunate situation. They kept apologizing to me even though they literally did nothing wrong what a buncha great people. My decision to leave is mainly centered around the fact that the team basically consisted of 3 of us left and we had absolutely no idea who the other two players would be and when I expressed the desire to maybe bring two of my own in they were iffy. My korean as is isn't very good so making a team where I could only communicate with one other person fluently seemed like it wouldn't be best for the team. We talked it out and we honestly both agreed that this would be for the best. As for my own plans, I'll be temporarily staying at the VTG House I think? This was all very last minute and I wasn't really sure what to do, but everyone honestly seems to have moved on and my teammates expressed there regrets that we weren't able to continue on as a group. As for the rest of the team, they seem unsure of what to do but I wish them the best and I hope you guys continue to cheer for them no matter what they do. They treated me absolutely fantastically during my stay and I want to give a shoutout to everyone at the fOu house. Now onto the good news. I'm in the process of trying to create a team in Korea and the news should blow you all the fuck away and I'm guaranteed none of you will be able to guess what it is. Itll be fun and big and funny lets say that. Thanks everyone for the kind messages and support throughout all this I'm sorry this has been such a headache for everyone that has had to keep up with the drama, I promise I'll try and just stick to playing. If any sponsors are reading this and need a team I've got one.
Dude, I don't wanna sound like a dick, but I am kind of one so I don't really care. I was kind of excited when you hinted you were going to Korea. But we waited and waited and it took you forever to go to Korea. Maybe you did practice, but I never saw you participate in any kind of competition, amateur even. Did you try a team with MLG? They you started talking shit about how you'll own Korea and all that chest pumping yourself like a gorilla. I got really annoyed at you man. I mean this guy Blitz, never proven himself, ROOT failing, never saw him playing seriously and taking too long to go to Korea. Yeah, so I don't think this assembling a team out of the ordinary will work out. But that's the point, I'm just some random no name loser on some loser forum, so I shouldn't matter. Mostly anyone shouldn't. Do what you believe what's best. Be smart. Fuck what we think.Prove us wrong, that you can be successful at Dota. Don't give up.
On December 05 2013 00:44 lilopuppy wrote: Dude, I don't wanna sound like a dick, but I am kind of one so I don't really care. I was kind of excited when you hinted you were going to Korea. But we waited and waited and it took you forever to go to Korea. Maybe you did practice, but I never saw you participate in any kind of competition, amateur even. Did you try a team with MLG? They you started talking shit about how you'll own Korea and all that chest pumping yourself like a gorilla. I got really annoyed at you man. I mean this guy Blitz, never proven himself, ROOT failing, never saw him playing seriously and taking too long to go to Korea. Yeah, so I don't think this assembling a team out of the ordinary will work out. But that's the point, I'm just some random no name loser on some loser forum, so I shouldn't matter. Mostly anyone shouldn't. Do what you believe what's best. Be smart. Fuck what we think.Prove us wrong, that you can be successful at Dota. Don't give up.
Thanks i think? I didn't chest pump myself and say how I'll own Korea. Hotbid pointedly asked me a question and I gave an honest response and to be honest I wasn't too far off. I obviously didn't expect to meet Demon. I couldn't to get to Korea as soon as I wanted as a) I had an eye problem I had to stay home for and get sorted and b) I had visa issues. I announced my move to Korea because I dont like keeping secrets.
This sounds like a pretty annoying story for you man. Sorry for going to off-topic very heavily, but I'm just wondering. Were you the OoE-Blitz (or something) from C&C3? Originally a Generals player?
I wonder what happened, that you landed in pro-Dota
On December 05 2013 01:30 TanGeng wrote: Blitz, that was the worst, most disorganized, flow of consciousness, "prepared statement" i've ever seen. WOW.
it was more like i havent slept since i found out febby was leaving so i just kinda wrote a buncha stuff since it was gunna get out anyways sorry Tangeng
more then anything its taught me to try and treat my personal relationships more carefully and i wouldnt trade coming here for anything. playing on the stage was a really special experience for me
Blitz, you've been dealt a shitty hand here but you've still got a lot to offer the Korean scene and a lot you owe yourself. If your issues are just with Febby and not the rest of the team, give them direction! If the other guys are upset as you are, this crappy experience might make you guys closer. You said the other guys are younger, they might look to you in this situation for guidance. You've said in the past that you like making calls ingame. Now's your chance.
If it helps you, get mad! Nothing is more motivating than thinking you're the underdog (esp. considering you'd be at an advantage going into Korea) because your team is falling apart. Going to Korea is something you've been excited about for a long time now and you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you gave up so easily. You've got a lot of people supporting you, people who want to see you happy and do well. It's easy to focus on people thinking you're a failure, but it's not fair to do that to yourself. You're a good player, you're a good dude, and you'll get through this!
e: just read your latest post, hope everything works out.
On December 05 2013 01:30 TanGeng wrote: Blitz, that was the worst, most disorganized, flow of consciousness, "prepared statement" i've ever seen. WOW.
So what should we call your post then, smart guy? The dude is venting his frustration, not making some tactically prepared statement. This is Team Liquid, not CNN. Grow up
On December 05 2013 01:30 TanGeng wrote: Blitz, that was the worst, most disorganized, flow of consciousness, "prepared statement" i've ever seen. WOW.
So what should we call your post then, smart guy? The dude is venting his frustration, not making some tactically prepared statement. This is Team Liquid, not CNN. Grow up
i think he knows a lot more about teamliquid than you do
Really sucks you got matched against Demon first Blitz, I felt like your DK game was really good and your team would have beat anyone other than MVP phoenix. Hope you get to play in more games.
What's this talk "Oh poor you, you got to face DeMoN first round ". Man you are supposed to be pro, what kind of talk is that? You shouldn't cry even if you had to face Mushi. Like really, who are YOU? You went to korea after casting a few games and now you're supposed to be a top player and savior of esports in korea going 15-0 or something? Get a grip, really.
Wow, there's a lot of hate here for a great player who is trying his best and working his hardest. Good luck Blitz, I'm really excited to hear about what's on the horizon! Keep in touch!
On December 05 2013 03:33 w.s wrote: What's this talk "Oh poor you, you got to face DeMoN first round ". Man you are supposed to be pro, what kind of talk is that? You shouldn't cry even if you had to face Mushi. Like really, who are YOU? You went to korea after casting a few games and now you're supposed to be a top player and savior of esports in korea going 15-0 or something? Get a grip, really.
Well, he played a lot of WC3 DotA in teams though.
On December 05 2013 03:33 w.s wrote: What's this talk "Oh poor you, you got to face DeMoN first round ". Man you are supposed to be pro, what kind of talk is that? You shouldn't cry even if you had to face Mushi. Like really, who are YOU? You went to korea after casting a few games and now you're supposed to be a top player and savior of esports in korea going 15-0 or something? Get a grip, really.
Not sure if serious considering the amount of misinformation contained within.
On September 03 2013 13:40 Blitz wrote: Um I'll clear some stuff up. I originally talked to FXO at TI3, just being friendly with FeBBy, and asked if they had a spot. Kinda like 'I'm korean febby get me out there' it was mainly a joke as I was on my way to the restroom in between games but we had a serious chat and that got me thinking about the entire process. I was originally slated to join FXO, but couldn't make it out to the first league, as my mothers birthday was on the 8th of September, and the league starts on the 7th. I've missed my mom's last 7 birthdays and FXO originally told me I could come later then that so I scheduled myself to come after the first league. They then told me it would be too late etc, that it wouldn't work. So I contacted some other teams, and I've found myself a team, (which I can't announce till I formally get in Korea till the second league starts, so sometime late October) and they were excited to have me. I specifically asked if I could stream and they said as long as it didn't interfere with practice it would be fine. In fact the sponsor and the team seemed excited about the publicity etc. I'm fine with the rigors of practice, a lot of people don't know this but I originally made a team with several good players, Inphinity, Mikey (old quantic), Lust, and EGM (alliance). I was the one that formed this team, nobody on it ever doubted my commitment or skill, and I was always awake at 7am my time to practice. Me and EGM were the only ones who were never late to a single scrim or tournament. We were practice partners to EG, aL, and several notable TI2 teams. I even streamed several of these, and we won a large portion of these games with me going mid. Before that I rang for PULSE/Infused or whatever you wanna call it all the time, we even played against iG when they were the best team in the world and won. After that, I played in the Defense 3 with people I had never played before, we practiced maybe 4 times, and we even had a guy with a 51% pub win rate (he was the guy pretending to be Hailo but ended up not being Hailo, short story he was awful skilled liquid fire level 1 etc.) and still did fairly well. A lot of people here can talk about my skill and whether or not I'm cut out to do it, but I personally believe I can. My stream image, someone who pubs with viewers, and lower skilled friends, and constantly reads the chat while playing is different from the person I am competitively. People don't realize how much it takes to constantly read the chat while trying to play the game. Its part of my appeal so I don't mind doing it, but games I stream aren't accurate reflections of my skill. Talk to any of my former teammates, or any of the people that played with me competitively, and they'll tell you this is something I can do. I don't think I'm a top tier pro, or even mid level, but I think I can with time and effort get there. Korea might be easier, but I'm not going there to earn money, it's just to gain some new experiences, see some family I haven't seen in over 12 years, and travel the world a bit before I go into something more serious. This was something I wrote while playing in game so if I missed something or something needs clarifying post below, thanks.
I also remember you saying on stream that you weren't going to FXO (now fOu). I'm guessing at some point plans changed and you went ahead with joining fOu. Does that mean you'll now join the other team you were planning on joining originally or something completely different?
Love watching Blitz play but the lack of flaming in this thread is fucking disgusting this guy goes bum hunting in Korea only to get stomped by a reg now he is talking about how he didnt expect demon blah blah blah. I have been following the esports scene since quakeworld and the way this community is treating blitz is bad for esports.
On December 05 2013 04:54 stevefromthenet wrote: Love watching Blitz play but the lack of flaming in this thread is fucking disgusting this guy goes bum hunting in Korea only to get stomped by a reg now he is talking about how he didnt expect demon blah blah blah. I have been following the esports scene since quakeworld and the way this community is treating blitz is bad for esports.
On December 05 2013 05:01 YourGoodFriend wrote: Not sure if flame or troll...
Please do better then 6 words.
Your are flaming about the lack of flame on a site that has strict moderation, thus not sure if you are saying it sarcastically or being serious (also you only have 2 posts and both of them are in this thread)
plus you said its bad for esports to treat someone nicely...
Ouch. My advice would be to stay a bit and try to work things through, it can only be a fantastic life experience and even full of hardships and whatever the end, it can only make you stronger in the end. You will regret it someday if you don't try this out anyway. Good luck o/
You should be proud of yourself Blitz, that you have the guts to try something so wild. The situation sucks but that is not your fault. This adventure is going to be a learning experience for life, which ever way it will turn out Good luck on "part 2", so to speak.
Also, thanks for writing. It is always interesting to hear real world experience straight from the horse's mouth.
Because I tried making several teams from the ground up in the west and found little to no success with it. With no offers looming on the horizon from any decent teams, the Korean scene seemed attractive. I know we should all 'play for the love of the game' but is it wrong of me to also be attracted to the money? Or should I blatantly ignore that aspect altogether. This opportunity seemed a lot easier as if you live in a team house you can't quit and I'd be living in a structured environment with an already developed team.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
I share the exam same thoughts with this guy about your approach to Korea.
I do have sympathy for you though. I understand that right now the issue isn't about the loss, but on how Febby fucked you up. Febby is acting as a total dick. His actions are immature and short-sighted. He just wants the quick easy results, rather than striving towards them. His departure has left you in an awkward situation. I'm surprised that he can just leave fOu so easily, as though there isn't any contract that binds him.
Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
Not only is the above guy correct but you trusted the words of a random 17 year old to fly half way around the world. Anyway, either make a new team and try hard or go back to murica for casting.
Hey Blitz, I don't watch or play DotA all that much, but I just read what you wrote, and I'm sorry. That sucks man. I just wanted to say that when going through a rough time, keep pushing through. You seem like a genuinely good guy, and that's rare in this biz. You've got one more random rooting for you to win .
On December 05 2013 06:26 jntkflow wrote: Blitz, no offense, but you are not a very good player, at least, not good enough to be a professional player as of right now. Going to Korea just so that you can take advantage of their less developed scene, and try and make a quick bucks was a decision you made.
If your ass wasn't so high up your ass as to believe you could literally just fly to Korea and win your first tournament, with no prior professional Dota 2 experience, with a team that you never played with before, then you would've at least had a more reasonable reaction to your loss.
From your interview with Hotbid, you clearly stated your belief that the Korean scene was so behind in terms of skills compared to the rest of the world, that even you, could become a star player in it. Trying to be a big fish in a small pond, and failing to do so because of competition, does not warrant any sympathy.
Demon being in Korea was clearly not something that you anticipated. The games that you played against him today, it was clear that Demon was able to pub carry his team, due to the low skills of his team and his opponents. It is my belief that you imagined yourself doing the same thing Demon was doing today before you came to Korea.
On December 05 2013 10:04 Blitz wrote: What quick buck. If you mean play in Season 2 and try and win it and leave thats what... Demon did. I'm here for the long haul?
Carefull with what u say or Erasme is gonna be angry with you
Blitz, I think people in general will support you no matter what you do. I'd say just do what you think is best, and put that first. You can put others first in this situation, but consider the long run is I guess all I'm saying. And I'm sure you'll do good, your smart and you'll figure it out! =]
On December 05 2013 10:04 Blitz wrote: What quick buck. If you mean play in Season 2 and try and win it and leave thats what... Demon did. I'm here for the long haul?
Well we'll never know what happened if you would have won since you know... :-p
If I was in your position, Febby would be on my shitlist. I understand he acted out of his own best interest; the manner in which he did it wouldn't sit well with me. That's just how I would feel though.
Be relentless in the pursuit of your dream. Don't let this incident be an excuse to let yourself down. The last thing you want to do is look back on everything and regret that you didn't do everything in your power to keep your dream alive. Don't baby yourself, and don't make excuses. Understand the situation you're in, and find the best path to move forward. I've been there at one point, so I sympathize with you.
Success is a process. Don't let the goal winning blind you.
eSports is a tough life; you're going to have to fight to succeed. Good luck.
On December 05 2013 00:20 Blitz wrote: Hi guys, to add to the most drama fueled day of my life, it looks like I'm leaving fOu. With Febby gone this leaves one remaining english speaker on the team, and another member just quit and the rest aren't sure whether or not the will continue. I urge you to not flame Febby, he made a huge mistake, but he is genuinely sorry and came back to make amends with us all individually. As far as the team goes, I had a blast for the 6 days I was here and every single person I met was super helpful. The teammates and coaches made me feel super at home and when I gave them my decision to leave they were super excited for me and said they were sorry I was in such an unfortunate situation. They kept apologizing to me even though they literally did nothing wrong what a buncha great people. My decision to leave is mainly centered around the fact that the team basically consisted of 3 of us left and we had absolutely no idea who the other two players would be and when I expressed the desire to maybe bring two of my own in they were iffy. My korean as is isn't very good so making a team where I could only communicate with one other person fluently seemed like it wouldn't be best for the team. We talked it out and we honestly both agreed that this would be for the best. As for my own plans, I'll be temporarily staying at the VTG House I think? This was all very last minute and I wasn't really sure what to do, but everyone honestly seems to have moved on and my teammates expressed there regrets that we weren't able to continue on as a group. As for the rest of the team, they seem unsure of what to do but I wish them the best and I hope you guys continue to cheer for them no matter what they do. They treated me absolutely fantastically during my stay and I want to give a shoutout to everyone at the fOu house. Now onto the good news. I'm in the process of trying to create a team in Korea and the news should blow you all the fuck away and I'm guaranteed none of you will be able to guess what it is. Itll be fun and big and funny lets say that. Thanks everyone for the kind messages and support throughout all this I'm sorry this has been such a headache for everyone that has had to keep up with the drama, I promise I'll try and just stick to playing. If any sponsors are reading this and need a team I've got one.
Fuck yeah man. Looking forward to the new of your new team. Gonna take Korea by storm. GLGL!
Although we should sympathize with your situation of being left hanging by Febby, you should've mentally prepared yourself for literally anything before flying to Korea. For you not to consider every single possibility after entering Korea, including this scenario, was short-thinking on your part. If you think in Febby's shoes, he may have thought you were a decent player, but also probably considered the fact that it is your first LAN game ever, and doubt you.
Furthermore, I hate to repeat it, but it's true what the posts above say, you shouldn't use Demon as an excuse. As a pro-gamer, your goal should be to win, no matter if it's some random Korean noob or Dendi. Having your mentality shatter by simply the name of the enemy isn't what a pro-gamer should be. In fact, you'd want to carve your name the way you said in the interview with Hotbid by winning those games.
It takes a lot of guts to fly all the way out to Korea and make a go at pro-gaming. I feel like this unfortunate situation with fOu will be the catalyst for something greater. I support ya!
Sorry to hear that Blitz, but at least you have an alternative plan, I hope your new team sweeps the scene. Went through a couple of the first pages, these people are quite harsh.
Don't mind all the people flaming your dota skills, none of them have played at the competitive level or laned against you lol. When I heard you were going to Korea, I had no doubt you were going to win something over there, and I still think that way. Good Luck in the future, and hopefully the next time you make headlines, It'll be for a tourney win!
I hope you give it a shot. That's only 6 months afterall, and if it fails, so be it. I don't think you can go wrong trying your best and living abroad. It's a great experience outside of the gaming aspect.
On December 04 2013 10:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: heres my 2cents from someone whos been in close touch with the scene for a very long time. firstly i think its pretty obvious that it was a mistake to come to korea based on a promise by one individual. especially since that individual isnt the one who has the power to take care of you with things such as food, expenses etc. no one could have seen this dick move coming, but you should have been more cautious anyway, seeing as how volatile the korean scene is atm. secondly, and this goes for pretty much 90 percent of people watching korean dota, you shouldnt have underestimated korean players. people watch korean pro games which are still in its infancy and compare it to games displayed by navi vs alliance or something and dismiss the korean scene entirely. no shit koreas going to be worse, however that doesnt mean korean players are all shit at dota, they just lack experience. i know from personal experience that a good number of korean players are easily capable of playing with other pros in less competitive settings. this i think was your biggest problem, you flew into korea and from what i can tell it seems like you considered your team to be favourites prior to demons arrival. you were not favourites. and no offense, despite what some people are saying in this thread also, you werent going to be an automatic star player. i heard somewhere that you had promised 15kills or something in your first game. regardless of whether it was a joke, it comes off as cocky and naive. had you come fully prepared to for the worst, maybe your team wouldnt be taking the loss this badly. obviously it wouldnt change the current situation, but the way your team approached the situation may be different. or maybe if you werent underestimating the korean scene so much, regardless of what febby might have said to convince you to come, you may have chose to not come at all.
You're so stupid that reading this made me more physically ill then Febby actually leaving. I came to the scene because I thought it would be a fun experience and it was the only team offer I had. I assumed we would be favorites because fOu got second only to Startale and hadn't dropped a game in NSL up until the finals. I never said I was going to be an automatic star player, and by the way the only we reason we had last that game was due to DeMoN. Not the Korean scene, DeMoN. I didn't 'underestimate' the Korean scene, I was well aware of where it was skill wise you fuckwit. I even made a tweet saying the individual skill was quite high but the teamwork aspect was lacking. As far as 'how volatile the korean scene is' I wasn't aware of that part considering I wasn't told that there was any issues in the first place with the team. Last night Febby telling me he had issues was the first I had ever known that he had issues at all. The only person not showing proper respect here is you o.o
You wont make it in the NA/EU scene and you wont make it in Korea. You lost mid to SF with your Viper. GG WP
Blitz, please stop responding; it just makes everything worse - you should've just left it at the blogpost. The more you read random people's flames and start replying makes people think you're mentally weak and sensitive, which isn't a good thing right now. Obviously it's a difficult situation and you're probably feeling down, however, it's not the past but how you overcome these obstacles that defines your character.
I hope you stop replying to the ignorant people that flame you and try to reduce to a loser; this hardship is the chance to prove that you're better than what they say and who knows - it might be the turning point in your career. Make the best of it and stay strong Will. Good luck.
This is honestly for the better. Febby seems like a good guy and has the actual balls to tell you that you're not gonna make it. He probably realized your lack of potential and left to make it easier for you to stop trying.
On December 05 2013 14:52 wc93671 wrote: Although we should sympathize with your situation of being left hanging by Febby, you should've mentally prepared yourself for literally anything before flying to Korea. For you not to consider every single possibility after entering Korea, including this scenario, was short-thinking on your part. If you think in Febby's shoes, he may have thought you were a decent player, but also probably considered the fact that it is your first LAN game ever, and doubt you.
Furthermore, I hate to repeat it, but it's true what the posts above say, you shouldn't use Demon as an excuse. As a pro-gamer, your goal should be to win, no matter if it's some random Korean noob or Dendi. Having your mentality shatter by simply the name of the enemy isn't what a pro-gamer should be. In fact, you'd want to carve your name the way you said in the interview with Hotbid by winning those games.
Good luck on whatever path you choose though!
This is true. What if his team met some other teams other than Demon's team, and they still lost? Shit would still be the same, Febby ran away, fOu disbanded. You can't just say as if that as long as you don't meet Demon's team, you'll win every other teams.
On December 05 2013 03:33 w.s wrote: What's this talk "Oh poor you, you got to face DeMoN first round ". Man you are supposed to be pro, what kind of talk is that? You shouldn't cry even if you had to face Mushi. Like really, who are YOU? You went to korea after casting a few games and now you're supposed to be a top player and savior of esports in korea going 15-0 or something? Get a grip, really.
On December 05 2013 00:44 lilopuppy wrote: Dude, I don't wanna sound like a dick, but I am kind of one so I don't really care. I was kind of excited when you hinted you were going to Korea. But we waited and waited and it took you forever to go to Korea. Maybe you did practice, but I never saw you participate in any kind of competition, amateur even. Did you try a team with MLG? They you started talking shit about how you'll own Korea and all that chest pumping yourself like a gorilla. I got really annoyed at you man. I mean this guy Blitz, never proven himself, ROOT failing, never saw him playing seriously and taking too long to go to Korea. Yeah, so I don't think this assembling a team out of the ordinary will work out. But that's the point, I'm just some random no name loser on some loser forum, so I shouldn't matter. Mostly anyone shouldn't. Do what you believe what's best. Be smart. Fuck what we think.Prove us wrong, that you can be successful at Dota. Don't give up.
eSport is like a huge kindergarten, of youngsters who are like 5 year olds-quitters-whiners-path-of-least-resistance-grass-is-always-greener-on-the-other-side-glory-hunters-who-just-want-the-pot-at-the-end-of-the-rainbow-but-cannot-be-arsed-with-the-patience-hardwork-and-dedication-needed.
Let me cut this short. If you cannot fight adversity, you have no business in any competitive environment. If you cannot survive losses, you are simply not cut out for the competitive. Being good at a game, is simply just not enough, and is really the easy part. In order to make or break, is a matter of mental prowess. So at least this Febby guy will not go anywhere, till he learns some lessons. But being depressed after a loss after 6 days of being in a team, really makes no sense to me. You are taking your first baby steps on the road to succeed, where you should know there is a big chance you will be stomped.
In team sport, you need to work as a group. Not quit. Not whine. Constructively figure out what you can do better, and be prepared that others do their "homework" as well, and take losses on the chin(roll with punches), and grow stronger, do better, help your fellow man. Finding people that fits this description is what matters. Being in a group is also about trust, and you already had some clashes beforehand, and that doesn't bode well.
You need to put effort and bunch of heavy losses accounted. People that will quit, if there isn't dividends immediately, point fingers, basically cry like small kids, and not go anywhere. And above all - patience, hardwork, teamwork. If these things are not learned, do not try turning pro, until you are mature enough.
I haven't posted in this forum for a long time but reading these comments has made me pretty angry. What business do all of you have calling Blitz a shit player? I watch his stream pretty avidly and it's clear to me that he's a pretty high caliber player. All of you are acting like playing pro Dota is something that he requires your approval to do; like you're the gatekeepers of some coveted prize that none of you even earned. That's some kind of entitlement guys. It's a testament to Blitz's skill and great networking within the community that he even made it to Korea. I know from Blitz's stream that any cockiness/chest pounding what have you was just him being humorous, although it's pretty clear from these comments that it flew right over your heads. How would you feel if after your every failure you had a crowd of people standing there, berating you and telling you to quit? As far as I have seen, there has been no crying or whining from Blitz - just his consistently good attitude shining through once again. Look guys, I'm going to sum it up for you: butt out, stop speaking from a perspective (pro player) you don't even have, and quit acting like anyone needs TL community approval to try to strike out in the pro community.
amat victoria curam Blitz, get your act together and really be prepared for this kind of stuff. If you're diving headlong into a foreign country, misfortune like this is unlucky but it does happen. It'd be a shame to have your pro-career get derailed by the slightest hiccup.
Wow. Sometimes you can see things like this coming. This apparently wasn't one of those times. Sorry to hear what had happened. That guy is a total douchebag and if your side of the story is true, nobody else will want to team with him again. My advice is to find a new fifth and get right back at what you were trying to accomplish!
You don't want to deal with people like that man. Yeah you lost, but you learn from that and get better. Yeah you got screwed over by a friend, but you saw his true colors.
You'll find better people to team with and you will get better.
Feel bad about this but once you've decided to let it go. Do that 100%.
EPT
Don't give up! Maybe you can pick up the captain's role? Febby sucked anyway. Byebye Burden!
