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On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger!
"Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough."
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On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough."
And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so.
To quit Naz'Gul:
If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here.
TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place.
Anyway my turn for useless quotes!
"I like lemons you like oranges"
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On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges"
I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll.
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On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll.
Although that was not the point of the quote...
Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter.
There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good.
You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion.
Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics.
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On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics.
That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote.
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On October 31 2013 01:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics. That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote.
Yet that quote was the spark that fueled it all. Guessing that some people just never truly grasp the causality of events. You just have to be careful with the sensitive ones.
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Great wonderful blog post. Pleasure to read and I agree with your points.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 31 2013 06:40 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 01:25 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics. That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote. Yet that quote was the spark that fueled it all. Guessing that some people just never truly grasp the causality of events. You just have to be careful with the sensitive ones.
My post started it all though so all you noobs are just subject to my genius
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On October 31 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 06:40 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 01:25 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics. That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote. Yet that quote was the spark that fueled it all. Guessing that some people just never truly grasp the causality of events. You just have to be careful with the sensitive ones. My post started it all though so all you noobs are just subject to my genius
Or the one that philosophically contradicted your post and thus flip the position of the keyword "noobs" and "genius" from the above statement.
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On October 31 2013 12:45 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:On October 31 2013 06:40 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 01:25 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:
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True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it.
There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too.
Great OP, BisuDagger!
"Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics. That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote. Yet that quote was the spark that fueled it all. Guessing that some people just never truly grasp the causality of events. You just have to be careful with the sensitive ones. My post started it all though so all you noobs are just subject to my genius Or the one that philosophically contradicted your post and thus flip the position of the keyword "noobs" and "genius" from the above statement.
Naw, I am pretty sure we are noobs and Lictor is the genius. Best to learn you place in the world quickly.
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On October 31 2013 12:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 12:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:On October 31 2013 06:40 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 01:25 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:
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"Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics. That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote. Yet that quote was the spark that fueled it all. Guessing that some people just never truly grasp the causality of events. You just have to be careful with the sensitive ones. My post started it all though so all you noobs are just subject to my genius Or the one that philosophically contradicted your post and thus flip the position of the keyword "noobs" and "genius" from the above statement. Naw, I am pretty sure we are noobs and Lictor is the genius. Best to learn you place in the world quickly.
If being a noob is all you aspire to be, then carry on.
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On October 31 2013 13:17 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 12:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 12:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:On October 31 2013 06:40 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 01:25 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:
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And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so.
To quit Naz'Gul:
If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics. That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote. Yet that quote was the spark that fueled it all. Guessing that some people just never truly grasp the causality of events. You just have to be careful with the sensitive ones. My post started it all though so all you noobs are just subject to my genius Or the one that philosophically contradicted your post and thus flip the position of the keyword "noobs" and "genius" from the above statement. Naw, I am pretty sure we are noobs and Lictor is the genius. Best to learn you place in the world quickly. If being a noob is all you aspire to be, then carry on.
Look son, you just need to accept Lictor's greatness and move on. Acceptance is the first part of learning.
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On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:On October 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On October 30 2013 20:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 30 2013 16:03 aZealot wrote:On October 30 2013 08:51 lichter wrote:
I don't think people really understand the OP
There is a big difference between mindless positivism and what he espouses. There is also a big difference between constructive criticism and unproductive negativism.
Sometimes I feel like NovstOrm and I are the only people almost entirely happy with SC2 True, there is also flogging the skeleton of a dead horse over and over again - see design threads. How often do we really need to know about deathballs and warpgate and protoss etc? Ad infinitum ad nauseum about begins to describe it. There is also the mistake of confusing SC2 positivity with mindless positivity. I don't believe this is often the case. It is quite possible to recognise the faults of the game and either accept them and/or not believe these to be crippling faults while still appreciative of the game. It is also possible to believe that SC2 is just a fantastic game, and that is fine too. Great OP, BisuDagger! "Some aspires greatness, other are merely satisfied with being decent enough." And some people cite meaningless quotes to be negatitive for the sake of doing so. To quit Naz'Gul: If you don't like SC2, just leave. No one is forcing you to be here. TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place. Anyway my turn for useless quotes! "I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion.
The main problem with so many design threads is that they are often a personal vision for the game that sets an implausibly high standard (a near utopian vision of SC2) and then projects it on to everybody else (by this last I mean that agreement is assumed as to where "the problems" lie, and after that agreement as to the solution to these problems). If people do not agree, it is because they need to be "saved" or are misguided. Neither are necessarily true.
When it comes to purported design changes, the key factor to keep in mind is that generally no-one really knows the effect of many design changes to the game. This is because SC2 is a complex and intricate game where even minor changes have far reaching impact. Therefore, caution is advised when it comes to substantive design changes as is often proposed. This is not even to factor in the implementation of said ideas and if these are even possible either in terms of the root capabilities of SC2 or the resources that may need to be expended even if the changes are possible.
(When you also take into account the public face of SC2 as an E-sport and where people's livelihoods are at stake, you become aware of the fact that caution is the better part of valour when it comes to substantive changes to the game.)
The issue then is what changes are possible given the sunk costs of SC2, not just in terms of its status as a game, but in terms of its path development in terms of design. Given these constraints, innumerable design threads that paint a picture of SC2 as achieving its "true" potential only if just these suggestions were taken on board bore me to tears. I am far more interested in ideas that are realistically possible and implementable. These are usually minor design tweaks that are possible while also probably having a deep effect on the game, and cosmetic/UI changes.
I think SC2 is a very good game. Players may make the game even better if left alone to develop the game as far as it can be developed. As someone who has been part of the community since late 2010/early 2011, I think that point is still quite a way away. The game has grown so much since the early days (despite its limitations and despite the mistakes Blizzard made along the way) Will it be a great game? I don't know. I hope so. But, I do believe that should this happen, it is more likely to be a matter of time and from within the embedded framework of SC2 as it is, rather than the implementation of sweeping design changes as proposed by random members of a contradictory community all chasing their own personal vision of the "perfect" game. As the saying goes, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
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On October 31 2013 13:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 13:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 12:56 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 12:45 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 11:41 lichter wrote:On October 31 2013 06:40 Xiphos wrote:On October 31 2013 01:25 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 01:11 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:On October 31 2013 00:41 Plansix wrote:On October 31 2013 00:14 lichter wrote:
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TL still covers BW yo. And blogs is supposed to be a neutral place.
Anyway my turn for useless quotes!
"I like lemons you like oranges" I know Lictor and I wasn't addressing BW fans. I think they are great and it's awesome thy still love the game. It's the people taking cheap shots like "some people are happy with substandard games". It's weak shit and just made to troll. Although that was not the point of the quote... Some people are happy with SC2 as it is now, but some people want more from the game. Either because they don't like some aspects of it, or because they see potential in it - or both for that matter. There are a lot of things about SC2 that I don't like. There are also a lot of things I like a lot. If I focus solely on the things I like and ignore the things I don't like, I may enjoy the game more, but I also wont bring anything worthwile to discussions. If I focus solely on the things I don't like, I will have a lot to discuss, and possibly good suggestions for change, but I will also be overly negative towards the things that are actually good. You need to see both sides of the game to be constructive and contribute to a good discussion. Example: I think SC2 works really well as a competetive game, but its not very interesting to spectate. I would like it if the game rewarded different playstyles that I would like to see more. This is a topic for another thread, but the point is that I need to not ignore the things I think are good - the competetive and skill rewarding aspects - nor the things I think should change - skill and strategy being obscured from spectating by game mechanics. That is great l, but you notice that you took two to three paragraphs to flesh out your ideas and did so in a thoughtful manner. That is far superior to a passive aggressive one sentence quote. Yet that quote was the spark that fueled it all. Guessing that some people just never truly grasp the causality of events. You just have to be careful with the sensitive ones. My post started it all though so all you noobs are just subject to my genius Or the one that philosophically contradicted your post and thus flip the position of the keyword "noobs" and "genius" from the above statement. Naw, I am pretty sure we are noobs and Lictor is the genius. Best to learn you place in the world quickly. If being a noob is all you aspire to be, then carry on. Look son, you just need to accept Lictor's greatness and move on. Acceptance is the first part of learning.
First part of learning is yearning to improve yourself not accepting complacency. No wonder "mum" left ya for that lawyer, "dad".
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Apologies for rezzing an old thread, but I just wanted to give this a shoutout/say thanks to BisuDagger.
This is exactly the type of discussion we need with gstl possibly closing and fou shutting down.
I'm really happy with sc2 
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