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Azera
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 29 2013 12:35 lichter wrote: If I put more rainbows and unicorns and sprinkles in the LR OPs will it make positive vibes Rainbow letters and sparkles make everything better, no reason they can't help save SC2. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On October 29 2013 09:58 BisuDagger wrote: Sweet, thanks! I didn't know it was on reddit  I must also say that I appreciate your post on caster-bashing. Because the alternative really isn't that much better: Shutting off the stream and providing absolutely no stream for a tournament. I'm obviously not the best caster, but at the same time, I have to be realistic and quote Nathanias in saying that even he couldn't find a way to do this as a full-time job. And adding to that realism, OSL has been very quiet about who they will be hiring as next season's English casters for SC2. And something else that bothers me is that the regions I am accommodating / specializing in. I won't give any names, but bigger name casters for SC2 in China told me that if I want to be a caster on this side of the planet, then I will have to switch to other games. There hasn't been a single offline event in China for Starcraft 2 since IEM Shanghai and CPL Shenyang (happened about one week after IEM Shanghai, no English stream was available). | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On October 29 2013 09:42 BisuDagger wrote: Do you really think BW fans sit around hoping SC2 will die because it hurt SC1? The answer is no. The SC1 community just wants to watch good games and encourage each other. There isn't a secret conclave discussing how to kill SC2. What's mostly really going on.. Gogobisu: imagine missle turrets can lift off Shinrei123: lol » yeah you should be able to lift turrets » ^_^ Horangnabi: you shouold be able to burrow Horangnabi: hatchery » and ultras Gogobisu: lol Shinrei123: burrow sunkens » and spores Stratosj: burrow turrets, lure in muta, unburrrooooooooooooooow Horangnabi: burrow overlords Gogobisu: turret should be also able to attack groupd unit Shinrei123: burrow mutas Gogobisu: haha Horangnabi: you burrow overlord Gogobisu: lawl Horangnabi: then when marine walks over » you unborrow » and they get tossed into the air Jilju: lol Stratosj: rofl Shinrei123: perfect idea Horangnabi: marine is like "wheeee" Stratosj: that's what sc2 should've been all about Horangnabi: tossing marines in the air?? Gogobisu: should have.... » T_T + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Nore
New Zealand128 Posts
I cant force myself to like something because i feel sorry for it, its harsh but its the truth. Now i dont say that the game is becoming less popular but i dont seem to watch as much as i used to. ( i have every monthly season of gsl on gom tv bought and i watched every matchand interview and loved it. ) | ||
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ftm
Australia47 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland1978 Posts
Real boats rock and nothing runs perfect, but it's no big deal as long as people genuinely care about the game. A healthy community has people who whine and debate about stuff and they still love the game despite the flaws. Yesterday in an interview Loda listed a dozen things he doesn't like in the new Dota 2 patch and yet the interview still left an impression he was quite happy and optimistic with the patch and how games were going. A healthy community usually goes "Ok, that had some really nice stuff in it, some other stuff I didn't like. How are we going to make the good stuff better and work around the bad stuff next time?" It doesn't feel forced or need anyone asking for passion with promises of future glory. What I like about the OP is that there's actually some parts looking for ways to make to make SC2 an actually more interesting place. Have your already passionate people analyse the games and have them point out the good AND the bad stuff and the stuff they're unsure. Help people to actually understand the awesome stuff rather than just blurting out "OMG SO GOOD, PERFECT THIS PERFECT THAT!". On October 29 2013 14:32 Shellshock wrote: LR thread was a lot of fun this weekend except a few times where people got a little mad but that's pretty much expected. Hopefully Blizzcon can be even better, especially when Prime gets a higher placing than anyone from Startale. This is what a healthy community sounds to me. Obviously it takes more than a paragraph to do considerable contributions, but the tone is right and doesn't feel awfully forced. I guess the long story short is that you can't tell people to love a game or community. Meanwhile you can help them to learn to love it by highlighting, explaining and generating more of the things you love in it. I don't care about Bisu retiring half as much if you can somehow make me love Dear or Maru or something. | ||
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CreationSoul
Romania231 Posts
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
But believe me, I enjoyed playing SC2 during WoL days simply because it was much easier to play mechanically (I barely played actual BW). I ask myself, do I enjoy watching e-sports because of the mechanical factor? What was the actual fuel that fed my inner fire? The answer lied in one simple word: Micro. I just love watching epic micro, that was it. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
As for casters, their job may be hard but it's a lot more stable than that of a progamer. Progamers work hard and might get kicked out of a tournament when they have a shitty day or get unlucky, casters have it a bit easier there. Again, your last sentence in that part if pretentious. The whole SC2 community takes itself too serious. ESPORTS 4 LAIF yo! Do this, do that, like this, do all kinds of crap for us so that a few "pillars" can earn shitloads of money. Yeah.. um.. thanks but no thanks. Somehow the Dota2 community is more relaxed and weirdly also growing rapidly.. how come? Could that have anything to do with what I said before? In the whole SC2 community I have the utmost respect for very few people. The likes of TB or 2GD (though he isn't that much involved with SC2 anymore) because they don't just keep taking from the community or act like we should be thankful to them all the time for them doing their job. They give back. TB is running a team and 2GD is giving much of his money away to support others. Those are the people who deserve respect. Not the Day9s or Tastosis. | ||
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MateShade
Australia736 Posts
 I think apart of this is the negativity on sc2 forums when I do check in from time to time. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 30 2013 00:08 zdfgucker wrote: I hate that everyone has to leave positive comments, be constructive, support this or that or else.. else what? I don't see football, basketball or whatnot doing that. This kind of crap gets annoying, very fast. IF something is good, people will talk positively about it. If not, they won't. Stop enforcing something, that goes out to casters, too. As for casters, their job may be hard but it's a lot more stable than that of a progamer. Progamers work hard and might get kicked out of a tournament when they have a shitty day or get unlucky, casters have it a bit easier there. Again, your last sentence in that part if pretentious. The whole SC2 community takes itself too serious. ESPORTS 4 LAIF yo! Do this, do that, like this, do all kinds of crap for us so that a few "pillars" can earn shitloads of money. Yeah.. um.. thanks but no thanks. Somehow the Dota2 community is more relaxed and weirdly also growing rapidly.. how come? Could that have anything to do with what I said before? In the whole SC2 community I have the utmost respect for very few people. The likes of TB or 2GD (though he isn't that much involved with SC2 anymore) because they don't just keep taking from the community or act like we should be thankful to them all the time for them doing their job. They give back. TB is running a team and 2GD is giving much of his money away to support others. Those are the people who deserve respect. Not the Day9s or Tastosis. TB has a professional team, how much more involved does he need to be? He has not stepped away at all. And sorry that people want to encourage positive support of SC2. But this is a site for fans of SC2, you can't expect everyone to be really pumped that you don't want to respect community figures or are just negative because you want to be. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 30 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote: TB has a professional team, how much more involved does he need to be? He has not stepped away at all. He meant 2GD not TB | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I hope I'm not the only guy saying this but you can't have a constructive discussion regarding the SC2 scene while being positive. If the game is good enough, then there would be hardly any complaint from anyone except for newbies as people would be too busy enjoying playing the game instead. The community, instead of forcing being positive regarding the scene should be more realistic in their posts. If you don't like what you are seeing, don't be like "Oh welp, I guess I have to close my eyes and be positive about it!" No you should actually go out there and write a cogent and constructive criticism on the subject. However, you can't avoid being negative in a critics so being negative is absolutely necessary for the growth any industry. You should never "be positive" for the sake positivity. That's how major mistakes occurs in real life such as not taking exigent action toward wrongdoings. Call things the way you see it. Don't be afraid to voice your opinion because it will "hurt" the scene. Personally even though Sonic is the messiah for BW scene atm, I'm not afraid to judge his team dynamics in the next upcoming SPL. Its tough love and that's the reality. Think about it like this, this electronic sport scene is like a child and the driving force behind the child is the community and developer. Now there will be some child who are willing hard to admit their mistakes and work hard toward improvement while others would spend the majority of their time enjoying their leisure time while being spoiled with rainbows and compliments. Eventually the former one would become incredible successful while the latter end up underachieving. Same thing applied in SC2 as the community/developer should be HARSH toward the game so that it may succeed in LONG run. If you see your kid smoking/drinking incessantly, it is your DUTY to chastise it so that it may grow up healthy. Fake positivism is the absolutely worst one can perform in attempt to improve. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19295 Posts
On October 30 2013 00:08 zdfgucker wrote: I hate that everyone has to leave positive comments, be constructive, support this or that or else.. else what? I don't see football, basketball or whatnot doing that. This kind of crap gets annoying, very fast. IF something is good, people will talk positively about it. If not, they won't. Stop enforcing something, that goes out to casters, too. As for casters, their job may be hard but it's a lot more stable than that of a progamer. Progamers work hard and might get kicked out of a tournament when they have a shitty day or get unlucky, casters have it a bit easier there. Again, your last sentence in that part if pretentious. The whole SC2 community takes itself too serious. ESPORTS 4 LAIF yo! Do this, do that, like this, do all kinds of crap for us so that a few "pillars" can earn shitloads of money. Yeah.. um.. thanks but no thanks. Somehow the Dota2 community is more relaxed and weirdly also growing rapidly.. how come? Could that have anything to do with what I said before? In the whole SC2 community I have the utmost respect for very few people. The likes of TB or 2GD (though he isn't that much involved with SC2 anymore) because they don't just keep taking from the community or act like we should be thankful to them all the time for them doing their job. They give back. TB is running a team and 2GD is giving much of his money away to support others. Those are the people who deserve respect. Not the Day9s or Tastosis. No one here can convince you to change your attitude and nor should we try. The point is, if you are angry about something SC2 related try being proactive about it. Using the example that people are negatively elsewhere as an excuse to act negatively yourself isn’t something that I live by. I believe our actions are our own and should be influenced from within and what we believe is right. I don’t believe everyone is required to be angels in the forums. But I believe we are capable of eliminating a lot of the unnecessary anger that rubs off on everyone else. I enjoy watching soccer. But if my friend came over to watch with me every day and talked about how miserable the game was while I was watching it, I would not want to watch it all together because he is making how I experience the game worse. So in this time more and more friends start to come over and watch the games. But I still have this one guy in the room saying how awful soccer is to watch. Now he’s bothering everyone at once and no one wants to come over because someone keeps telling them that they shouldn’t be enjoying what they watch. Let me re-emphasize this is what I believe. I respect your opinion even if I disagree with it. But I won’t waste energy trying to change your mind. My only hope is that you took the time to understand my feelings too. | ||
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