EPTOn September 23 2013 04:27 UmberBane wrote:
Any quick comparisons to the previous elections?
Any quick comparisons to the previous elections?
70,78% was 2009
Germany (X): German General Election - Page 32
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Dulak
Finland33 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:24 cutler wrote: German Election ended well from my point of view. Only two numbers are alarming. AfD alomst made 5% and only 73% actually voted. That means we have 32% people in Germay that are against democracy and free vote. Thats sad... So people who voted for AfD are against democracy and free vote when they want more referendums on important issues? And also the people who chose not to vote are also against democracy and free vote? Please explain. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:28 BlackCompany wrote: i dont like AfD either, but saying thats against democracy is a little extrem for my taste... agree with the rest though, so many people now voting - most of them will probably still complain how everything is bad and that the gouvernment sucks, even though they didnt even vote for another <.< Slightly more people voted, like 3 % or so A party that has people in leading positions that only want people to vote that have a job is not democratic | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:30 Yoshi- wrote: A party that has people in leading positions that only want people to vote that have a job is not democratic I made a typo, i meant to say "so many people NOT voting". Of course everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they are german. Edit: gah, im readin gthings people dont even write >.<. I didnt really bother to read much from AfD, they really want only people with a job being able to vote? Then im even happier they didnt make it | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:27 Paljas wrote: na, would be fine nobody in the cdu/csu has the courage to say anything against great broodmother Merkel and König Horst I disagree. People who would not say something, might still vote against her, as the elections of the chancellor is alwayssecret to my knowledge. There quite a number of examples in german politics where a party/coalition did in fact have a majority by 1,2,3 seats and they didn't get their candidate elected (at least not in the first round, though ometimes in later rounds). I don't think it will happen, and if it did, I would expect quite a number of votings to not go in favor of the CDU. Be it thanks to sickness of some CDU-mp or hidden grudges or whatever. | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:29 Dulak wrote: So people who voted for AfD are against democracy and free vote when they want more referendums on important issues? And also the people who chose not to vote are also against democracy and free vote? Please explain. One of our older presidents said "beware of the party that´s more to the right then the cdu". That happened. So yeah alarm bells should ring. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:32 BlackCompany wrote: I made a typo, i meant to say "so many people NOT voting". Of course everyone should be allowed to vote as long as they are german. that is not what I meant, Konrad Adam one of the leads of AFD had made several claims that he doesn't want people without a job(including students and people with a disability to vote) And that is not democratic | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:34 Yoshi- wrote: that is not what I meant, Konrad Adam one of the leads of AFD had made several claims that he doesn't want people without a job(including students and people with a disability to vote) And that is not democratic Edited my post, missread what you wanted to say. Sorry | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:29 Dulak wrote: So people who voted for AfD are against democracy and free vote when they want more referendums on important issues? And also the people who chose not to vote are also against democracy and free vote? Please explain. Konrad Adam, AfD, has an article on Welt where he speaks out against certain voting rights. So he kinda has a point. Not defending it, just throwing this in here: http://www.freitag.de/autoren/andreas-kemper/zur-demokratiefeindlichkeit-der-afd | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:33 Nachtwind wrote: One of our older presidents said "beware of the party righter then the cdu". That happened. So yeah alarm bells should ring. except CDU is now basically like SPD, there is a vacany on the conservatice side. There is now also a missing liberal party since FDP got schooled for being corrupt and the Pirates messed up big time by making a lot of leftist redistribution demands and generally being stupid about everything. They could have been a new liberal party with the whole Internet/NSA topics as a push. Like the greens were once just a movement against nuclear enegry, but developed into a (relatively) proper political party. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:29 Dulak wrote: So people who voted for AfD are against democracy and free vote when they want more referendums on important issues? And also the people who chose not to vote are also against democracy and free vote? Please explain. Everyone got the duty to vote in democracy cause that how democracy works. Every single vote counts. I know a lot of people dont believe this but i really believe that my vote and my interest in politcs can change something. If people are frustated with politcs ( and i can understand that) they should make an election and make their vote false. ( in German Wahlschein ungültig machen) i dont really know the correct english term for that. By that act their make an correct vote for democracy without supporting an bad ideology. | ||
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Dulak
Finland33 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:38 KeksX wrote: Konrad Adam, AfD, has an article on Welt where he speaks out against certain voting rights. So he kinda has a point. Not defending it, just throwing this in here: http://www.freitag.de/autoren/andreas-kemper/zur-demokratiefeindlichkeit-der-afd One guy does not a party line make. There are always bad apples in any party. As long as AfD is not putting this forward as their party agenda I'm completely willing to tolerate one man's opinion and disregard it as the nonsense it is. There are much more important issues at stake. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Sad fdp didnt make it, guess this will be a turn towards the left. Rising minimum wages and rising taxes for higher incomes in germany. Saw on cnn that france government was verry pleased with the outcome of the election, wich isnt a good sign. Well guess its good for europe, dont think its that good for germany, Merkels last term annyway? Nach uns die sintflut. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:43 Rassy wrote: Cdu with spd now for the government? Sad fdp didnt make it, guess this will be a turn towards the left. Rising minimum wages and rising taxes for higher incomes in germany. Saw on cnn that france government was verry pleased with the outcome of the election, wich isnt a good sign. Well guess its good for europe, dont think its that good for germany, Merkels last term annyway? Nach uns die sintflut. it will be difficult, noone wants to partner up with merkel i am sure. And the others also cant unite themselves against merkel. They might fail getting together a working government. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:43 Dulak wrote: One guy does not a party line make. There are always bad apples in any party. As long as AfD is not putting this forward as their party agenda I'm completely willing to tolerate one man's opinion and disregard it as the nonsense it is. There are much more important issues at stake. Beatrix von Storch another very important member of the AFD https://lobbypedia.de/wiki/Beatrix_von_Storch http://www.beatrixvonstorch.de/offener-brief-an-erzbischof-dr-robert-zollitsch/ http://www.welt.de/politik/wahl/bundestagswahl/article120097351/Beatrix-von-Storch-war-jetzt-beim-Notar.html Also quite intressting this Article: http://popcornparteien.org/2013/06/18/100-tage-afd-ein-insiderbericht/ | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:41 cutler wrote: Everyone got the duty to vote in democracy cause that how democracy works. Every single vote counts. I know a lot of people dont believe this but i really believe that my vote and my interest in politcs can change something. If people are frustated with politcs ( and i can understand that) they should make an election and make their vote false. ( in German Wahlschein ungültig machen) i dont really know the correct english term for that. By that act their make an correct vote for democracy without supporting an bad ideology. AfD is supported by well known germans who have an bad reputation. I know i am narrow minded in this issue but for me AfD is the new name of NPD since NPD lawyers support them. Against Europe and against the Euro is no option for me. we live in a society which systematically excludes whole parts of the population from proper education, proper conditions of living and information. and then you complain that these people dont want to vote or are not able to do so. | ||
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Dulak
Finland33 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:41 cutler wrote: Everyone got the duty to vote in democracy cause that how democracy works. Every single vote counts. I know a lot of people dont believe this but i really believe that my vote and my interest in politcs can change something. If people are frustated with politcs ( and i can understand that) they should make an election and make their vote false. ( in German Wahlschein ungültig machen) i dont really know the correct english term for that. By that act their make an correct vote for democracy without supporting an bad ideology. Being free means you are also free to not vote. It simply means you accept the outcome of other people's votes. I do believe though that if you don't vote you also better not complain too much about how things are going  | ||
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:43 Dulak wrote: One guy does not a party line make. There are always bad apples in any party. As long as AfD is not putting this forward as their party agenda I'm completely willing to tolerate one man's opinion and disregard it as the nonsense it is. There are much more important issues at stake. You seem to clearly not understand the ideology of the AfD and the problem with this party in the german political enviroment. They are ultra-conservative with ideology from 18. century. They´re market fundamentalist. They say you should be able to sell your organs if you don´t have work. They want to withdraw the right to vote for the "under class". They are absurd and dangerous if they seize any political might. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:47 Paljas wrote: we live in a society which systematically excludes whole parts of the population from proper education, proper conditions of living and information. and then you complain that these people dont want to vote or are not able to do so. Who is excluded in Germany? Please give me an example... | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
And its also their right to vote in a way that their vote doesnt count, but also doesnt get distributed. First means they accept the majorities opinion. Second means they dont agree with any party and dont want to support them. | ||
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