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On September 23 2013 05:44 Maxhster wrote:
ggrrg, although i dislike the left as much as the next guy (me being a social democrat) they are nowhere near as bad as anything you might have experienced in eastern europe. People should be warned about their SED and stasi past, but their party program isnt completely delusional like the one from the AfD for example.
Alot of the left members actually came from the most left wing of the SPD, and therefore cannot be counted as communists, even though there are some communist tendencies on the far left of that party.
I'm not comparing the Left with any communist regime. People should be aware of the past of some of their members, though, and consider how much they could possibly care abour people as they claim to do.
I disagree about the Left's party agenda. It's about as delusional as it gets...
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So, how probable is Black / Green? Even though the Greens are pretty left-wing, their core priorities should still be environmental topics, right?
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black green isnt going to happen
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On September 23 2013 05:44 Maxhster wrote:
ggrrg, although i dislike the left as much as the next guy (me being a social democrat) they are nowhere near as bad as anything you might have experienced in eastern europe. People should be warned about their SED and stasi past, but their party program isnt completely delusional like the one from the AfD for example.
Alot of the left members actually came from the most left wing of the SPD, and therefore cannot be counted as communists, even though there are some communist tendencies on the far left of that party.
Aren't there quite some people complaining about parties being too similar? Aren't those similarities the result of adapting your political program to the expectations of your demographic?
It would have been good for the political dicussion if the AfD entered the Bundestag, just to have another voice regarding the euro-crisis. A big coalition or red-red-green would sadly end in hilarity, when inflation finally hits (noticeably) and more people read up on the crisis.
But the crisis did not even seem to be a relevant point this election. Some people seem to care more about foreigners paying for using motorways.
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On September 23 2013 05:51 Daumen wrote:Damn, the CDU can vote down any new propositions to change the Constitution again... I foresee no Gay Equality for the next 4 years ... :X
Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 05:48 Serinox wrote:
So probably no CDU only government. There is a majority left of the CDU with SPD, Greens and The Left. I wish they could get it together to overtake Merkel and change the chancellor. But they probably won't, which is a shame.
In the Chancellor-Duel, Steinbrück said he would never coalition with Die Linke.
He also said he would never go into another Große Koalition. My favorite quote is still from Adenauer: "Was interessiert mich mein Geschwätz von gestern?"
I know it's highly unlikely, but I still have not given up hope for an other chancellor instead of Merkel.
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On September 23 2013 05:43 Mafe wrote:
On sidenote, I would so love it if it was possible to make a list of journalist question in main political talkshows/news sorted by questions about
-polticians
-possible coalitions
-actual politics ("Inhalte").
All those journalists always complaining about lack of politics, but I don't think they ever really ask questions about it.
Why would they start now, they didn't ask questions about politics during the majority of the campaign...
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Am I the only one who things that an absolute majority for the CDU would be more problematic for the CDU than a coalition with either SPD or Grüne, considering they hold the majority in the Bundesrat.
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On September 23 2013 05:56 Voyage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 05:44 Maxhster wrote:
ggrrg, although i dislike the left as much as the next guy (me being a social democrat) they are nowhere near as bad as anything you might have experienced in eastern europe. People should be warned about their SED and stasi past, but their party program isnt completely delusional like the one from the AfD for example.
Alot of the left members actually came from the most left wing of the SPD, and therefore cannot be counted as communists, even though there are some communist tendencies on the far left of that party. Aren't there quite some people complaining about parties being too similar? Aren't those similarities the result of adapting your political program to the expectations of your demographic? It would have been good for the political dicussion if the AfD entered the Bundestag, just to have another voice regarding the euro-crisis. A big coalition or red-red-green would sadly end in hilarity, when inflation finally hits (noticeably) and more people read up on the crisis. But the crisis did not even seem to be a relevant point this election. Some people seem to care more about foreigners paying for using motorways.
Want to read a article about what the AfD really is?
http://www.taz.de/!115108/
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So let's see if or should i say when and how the SPD bites the bullet and goes in a coalition with the CDU under Merkel again . ( Which last time in the end only benefited the CDU ) or not . The others are very unlikely.
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On September 23 2013 05:56 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 05:51 Daumen wrote:Damn, the CDU can vote down any new propositions to change the Constitution again... I foresee no Gay Equality for the next 4 years ... :X
On September 23 2013 05:48 Serinox wrote:
So probably no CDU only government. There is a majority left of the CDU with SPD, Greens and The Left. I wish they could get it together to overtake Merkel and change the chancellor. But they probably won't, which is a shame.
In the Chancellor-Duel, Steinbrück said he would never coalition with Die Linke. He also said he would never go into another Große Koalition. My favorite quote is still from Adenauer: "Was interessiert mich mein Geschwätz von gestern?" I know it's highly unlikely, but I still have not given up hope for an other chancellor instead of Merkel.
So you'd rather have 2-3 years of non-Merkel and then the next decade of CDU absolute majority than four more years of Merkel and then change?
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On September 23 2013 05:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
So, how probable is Black / Green? Even though the Greens are pretty left-wing, their core priorities should still be environmental topics, right?
Not gonna happen. We'll have a great coalition again.
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On September 23 2013 06:00 Nachtwind wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 05:56 Voyage wrote:On September 23 2013 05:44 Maxhster wrote:
ggrrg, although i dislike the left as much as the next guy (me being a social democrat) they are nowhere near as bad as anything you might have experienced in eastern europe. People should be warned about their SED and stasi past, but their party program isnt completely delusional like the one from the AfD for example.
Alot of the left members actually came from the most left wing of the SPD, and therefore cannot be counted as communists, even though there are some communist tendencies on the far left of that party. Aren't there quite some people complaining about parties being too similar? Aren't those similarities the result of adapting your political program to the expectations of your demographic? It would have been good for the political dicussion if the AfD entered the Bundestag, just to have another voice regarding the euro-crisis. A big coalition or red-red-green would sadly end in hilarity, when inflation finally hits (noticeably) and more people read up on the crisis. But the crisis did not even seem to be a relevant point this election. Some people seem to care more about foreigners paying for using motorways. Want to read a article about what the AfD really is? http://www.taz.de/!115108/
The problem is that the other parties do not really discuss the European matter. So if some people are really upset about it, they have no choide but to vote for the AfD, regardless how stupid they are.
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Btw is it any likely that none of the parties can manage anything substantional and there would have to be a re-vote ? No likely i would guess but still it's possible.
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On September 23 2013 05:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
So, how probable is Black / Green? Even though the Greens are pretty left-wing, their core priorities should still be environmental topics, right?
Years ago, I looked into the manifesto and it was pretty liberal actually. There's of course an ecologic and social spin to everything, but the proposed solutions to problems weren't left wing at all. It was all liberal ideas like with the FDP, creating opportunities for the private sector to solve the problems instead of the state.
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On September 23 2013 06:05 s3rp wrote:
Btw is it any likely that none of the parties can manage anything substantional and there would have to be a re-vote ? No likely i would guess but still it's possible.
If that happens, I think CDU / FDP will get the majority again. Anyways, it is a possibility, the only possibility if the politicians of SPD and Grüne aren't liers, but we know that all politicians are.
Btw. this gif was posted on reddit, I find it hilarious:
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On September 23 2013 06:06 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 05:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
So, how probable is Black / Green? Even though the Greens are pretty left-wing, their core priorities should still be environmental topics, right? Years ago, I looked into the manifesto and it was pretty liberal actually. There's of course an ecologic and social spin to everything, but the proposed solutions to problems weren't left wing at all. It was all liberal ideas like with the FDP, creating opportunities for the private sector to solve the problems instead of the state.
So why don't they want to form a coalition with the CDU on national level then?
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the problem with populistic parties such as the AfD is that they use 1 popular opinion (euro crisis) to hide all their outright dangerous brown bullshit. Alot of people have fallen for that trick...
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On September 23 2013 06:09 Maxhster wrote:
the problem with populistic parties such as the AfD is that they use 1 popular opinion (euro crisis) to hide all their outright dangerous brown bullshit. Alot of people have fallen for that trick...
Well the only chance to get rid of something like that is to let them destroy themselves by allowing them to show how much of the fraud they really are . ( If they are )
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On September 23 2013 06:09 Maxhster wrote:
the problem with populistic parties such as the AfD is that they use 1 popular opinion (euro crisis) to hide all their outright dangerous brown bullshit. Alot of people have fallen for that trick...
The established parties are also to blame though, since they aren't discussing the topic at hand aggressive enough.
I'd say parties like AfD are quite usefull because they force the politicians to discuss certain topics and they don't really do any damage as long as they don't get into the parlament.
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On September 23 2013 06:11 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 06:09 Maxhster wrote:
the problem with populistic parties such as the AfD is that they use 1 popular opinion (euro crisis) to hide all their outright dangerous brown bullshit. Alot of people have fallen for that trick... The established parties are also to blame though, since they aren't discussing the topic at hand aggressive enough. I'd say parties like AfD are quite usefull because they force the politicians to discuss certain topics and they don't really do any damage as long as they don't get into the parlament.
no as long as they dont get into the parlament none of the other parties will ever bother talking about these topics
they need to get into the parlament to really get others to panic and talk, parties like AfD do way more harm outside than inside
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