EPTThe only thing Theseus Papadopulus is guilty of, is not slaughtering all those criminals, who spit in his face, laughing behind his back, stealing his belongings, and who can blame him for that really?
Reasons of why I hate Greece sometimes. - Page 2
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
The only thing Theseus Papadopulus is guilty of, is not slaughtering all those criminals, who spit in his face, laughing behind his back, stealing his belongings, and who can blame him for that really? | ||
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qlwdmh
United Kingdom4 Posts
1. For woting socialists into power. 2. For tax evasion. 3. For not protesting against inflated public spending. 4. For not protesting against 13-th and 14-hs wages. 5. For retiring at the age of 52. 6. For protesting against public spending cuts which are definitely necessary. 7. For calling Germans as Nazis instead of saying "thank you" for all billions and billions of Euros that the Germans give to the Greeks. The Germans, Dutch, Austrian, Finnish and Estonian people are paying Greek debts, and instead of saying thank you, Greek people are burning German flags. An average person in Estonia earns less than a Greek pensioner gets a month, and Estonians are paying Greek debts. This is very sad. Greek people think that they live in austerity, but their austerity measures are a joke comparing to austerity in many other countries, like the Baltic states. Estonia had a 20% recession on its own during the crisis, and now it is forced upon paying greek debts. And another comment as faras blaming Greek history for the current situation: Countries like Poland lived under a brutal communist regime until 90s. And they are not asking for any bail-outs. | ||
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qlwdmh
United Kingdom4 Posts
Lets be honest, this is what Greece has done recently: 1. Borrowed 200 billion euros and wasted them all. 2. With a help of Goldman-Sachs faked their accountancy sheets and got into the Eurozone. 3. Now they can not pay their debts back, however they still want to keep their righe life-styles despite the fact thet they can not afford it. Any attempt to cut govenrment spendings is hevily protested against. In the meantime no one was protesting when the government was wasting money. 4. Could not force its own citizens to pay taxes. What the Greek people should do: Exit the Euro-zone. The eurozone would be much better-off without them. As a consequence, they could reintroduce their own currecy and print as much of it as they like. Of course, they would not be abe to afford volkswagens any more, and an average salary would drop by 70-80%, but at least Greek youth would be able to find a job. I disagree when people say that the German money is taken by the polititians, it is not. It is taken by pensioners, and public secotor employees. In other words, the German money is taken by the older generation at the expense of the youth, which are going to become a lost generation unless Greece reintroduces drachma. | ||
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3772
Czech Republic434 Posts
It is pretty retarded that people should pay for politicians'/bankers' fuckups, but there's no need to be so nationalistic/racist. Oh, and pointing at someone who's even worse (US in this case) doesn't make you any better. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On March 28 2013 22:29 qlwdmh wrote: I disagree with you, Kuni. An average fishermen (Theseus Papadopulus) is guilty of the following wrong-doings: 1. For woting socialists into power. 2. For tax evasion. 3. For not protesting against inflated public spending. 4. For not protesting against 13-th and 14-hs wages. 5. For retiring at the age of 52. 6. For protesting against public spending cuts which are definitely necessary. 7. For calling Germans as Nazis instead of saying "thank you" for all billions and billions of Euros that the Germans give to the Greeks. The Germans, Dutch, Austrian, Finnish and Estonian people are paying Greek debts, and instead of saying thank you, Greek people are burning German flags. An average person in Estonia earns less than a Greek pensioner gets a month, and Estonians are paying Greek debts. This is very sad. Greek people think that they live in austerity, but their austerity measures are a joke comparing to austerity in many other countries, like the Baltic states. Estonia had a 20% recession on its own during the crisis, and now it is forced upon paying greek debts. And another comment as faras blaming Greek history for the current situation: Countries like Poland lived under a brutal communist regime until 90s. And they are not asking for any bail-outs. Not every average greek fisherman (or "normal working person") evades taxes, retires at 52, protests against spending cuts and calls Germans Nazis so it would be great if you could keep the stupid generalization to a minimum edit: I can't english | ||
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WalkinDead
88 Posts
The shit that happened to greece, portugal, almost spain, italy, and the recent bail outs in cyprus just demonstrates the definition of a "highly volatile environment". This is only temporary though, people have been losing faith for years. After what period of time do you stop losing faith and start seeing things a different way? | ||
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qlwdmh
United Kingdom4 Posts
On March 29 2013 02:07 Linwelin wrote: Not every average greek fisherman (or "normal working person") evades taxes, retires at 52, protests against spending cuts and calls Germans Nazis so it would be great if you could keep the stupid generalization to a minimum edit: I can't english I agree that I overgeneralized and I am sorry for that. However saying that poor greeks were robbed by their polititians and hence other nations have to bail them out is just so wrong. The majority of Greek people voted those socialists into power, so those people also have to take a responsiblitily. I am not claiming that every single greek is guilty or should be punished - definitely not. What I am saying is that a signifficant proportion of greek people seem to be blaming the Germans instead of thinking what their own country did wrong. Also, a signiffcant proportion of the population evaded taxes, and quite a lot of people were protesting against government cuts by burning German flags and drawing Hitler's moustashe on Merkel's face instead of saying thank you. This is an insult to the people who are saving their asses. The fact that relatively poor Estonians (who do not earn as much as greek pensioners get every month) have to bail Greece out is just so damn wrong. What greek people have to understand is that they can not continue living their good lives at the expense of Northern nations. Cuts have to be made, and the sooner the better. If they want to earn much, they have to export much. If they want to export much, they have to have cheaper labour. if they want to have cheaper labout, they have to make cuts. This is as simple as it can get. Baltic states managed to have huge cuts during the crisis. People should take Latvia as an example how to get out of an economic crisis. This country experienced a 20% recession, made public spending cuts which amounted to almost 50 percent. Some people lost a third of their salaries, some lost a half. However, Latvia managed to get out of the crisis and since 2011 experieces growth again . Of course, at one point Latvia had taken 7.5 billion USD loand from the IMF, however it has already been paid back. Instead of protesting, Latvian people reelected the government which made all those cuts. I think this is an example to be admired, and some southern nations should learn from it. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:22 qlwdmh wrote: I agree that I overgeneralized and I am sorry for that. However saying that poor greeks were robbed by their polititians and hence other nations have to bail them out is just so wrong. The majority of Greek people voted those socialists into power, so those people also have to take a responsiblitily. I am not claiming that every single greek is guilty or should be punished - definitely not. What I am saying is that a signifficant proportion of greek people seem to be blaming the Germans instead of thinking what their own country did wrong. Also, a signiffcant proportion of the population evaded taxes, and quite a lot of people were protesting against government cuts by burning German flags and drawing Hitler's moustashe on Merkel's face instead of saying thank you. This is an insult to the people who are saving their asses. The fact that relatively poor Estonians (who do not earn as much as greek pensioners get every month) have to bail Greece out is just so damn wrong. What greek people have to understand is that they can not continue living their good lives at the expense of Northern nations. Cuts have to be made, and the sooner the better. If they want to earn much, they have to export much. If they want to export much, they have to have cheaper labour. if they want to have cheaper labout, they have to make cuts. This is as simple as it can get. Baltic states managed to have huge cuts during the crisis. People should take Latvia as an example how to get out of an economic crisis. This country experienced a 20 recession, made public spending cuts which amounted to almost 50 percent. Some people lost a third of their salaries, some lost a half. However, Latvia managed to get out of the crisis and since 2011 experieces growth again . Of course, at one point Latvia had taken 7.5 billion USD loand from the IMF, however it has already paid it back. Instead of protesting people reelected the government which made all those cuts. I think this is an example to be admired, and some southern nations should learn from it. you can write a wall of text but if you read line by line of what u are saying you clearly have no idea of what u are talking about. To quote "However saying that poor greeks were robbed by their polititians and hence other nations have to bail them out is just so wrong". You are wrong, greek people got robbed by their politician and everyone is happy that many big names are now are being sent out in jail. "What I am saying is that a signifficant proportion of greek people seem to be blaming the Germans instead of thinking what their own country did wrong". We mostly blame how this Country is run by it's system. I dont blame the Germans. about Cyprus tho, that is another story, I would blame the Germans. "What greek people have to understand is that they can not continue living their good lives at the expense of Northern nations" now you have over-done it buddy. Greeks live like shit at the moment, we just know how to have fun with little money. Who told you that we live good lives etc etc. Have you been in Greece lately? if we were living like kings, then why all of our young people are leaving for other countries, because we are living so great here? because there are jobs here? You again overgeneralized. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
On March 29 2013 01:44 3772 wrote: I don't really understand why anyone would be proud of a country. Being proud of other people's achievements, imaginary lines in a map and skewed view of history? Why not take pride in the stuff that you do and that makes you who you are? It is pretty retarded that people should pay for politicians'/bankers' fuckups, but there's no need to be so nationalistic/racist. Oh, and pointing at someone who's even worse (US in this case) doesn't make you any better. I guess everytime you visit a country, you do not care of it's background, it's history, it's accomplishments, it's structure, it's music influences etc etc etc. And that can also make you proud of humanity and what it has achieved. You posted something that personally i find one of the worst posts ive read in a long time. and i read alot of posts. Sorry | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On April 04 2013 06:56 ffswowsucks wrote: I guess everytime you visit a country, you do not care of it's background, it's history, it's accomplishments, it's structure, it's music influences etc etc etc. And that can also make you proud of humanity and what it has achieved. You posted something that personally i find one of the worst posts ive read in a long time. and i read alot of posts. Sorry Your post is in no way mutually exclusive to his, in fact they're barely even related. I wouldn't say this is one of the worst posts I've read but it's pretty bad. | ||
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qlwdmh
United Kingdom4 Posts
On April 04 2013 09:49 Feartheguru wrote: Latvia could turn itself around because it's a 2nd world country and the people realize that. Latvia is a second world country? Even if it is, is it any worse than Greece? At least they are not asking to bail them out. And at least they are pying their debts. On April 04 2013 09:49 Feartheguru wrote: Greek has never been exporting anything except some agriculture and tourism, they've never been first world but they borrowed to live that way. Now they're economy is worse than a lot of developing countries but the people feel like they deserve to live like the rest of Europe. It's impossible to bridge such a huge gap. Well, this is what I am trying to say. They do not export much, hence they do not deserve to earn as much. And people, like the Germans and the Dutch, whom I respect a lot, deserve to have a chance not to spend their hard earned money on an extravagant lifestyle of some other nations. On April 04 2013 06:52 ffswowsucks wrote: To quote "However saying that poor greeks were robbed by their polititians and hence other nations have to bail them out is just so wrong". You are wrong, greek people got robbed by their politician and everyone is happy that many big names are now are being sent out in jail. Ok, ok, poor people got robbed by the polititians who were elected by those poor people themselves (and elected repeatedly). So why on earth would the German, Dutch, Austrian, Finninsh and Estonian people have to pay greek bills? Let those polititians pay their bills. On April 04 2013 06:52 ffswowsucks wrote: "What I am saying is that a signifficant proportion of greek people seem to be blaming the Germans instead of thinking what their own country did wrong". We mostly blame how this Country is run by it's system. I dont blame the Germans. about Cyprus tho, that is another story, I would blame the Germans. Not blaming is not enough. A solid "thank you" would be a good start. However, this is still very typical: ok, you do not blame the germans for Greece, but why would you blame germans because of Cyprus? Because they refused to pay ALL the bills and agreed to pay only some? Oh man, when banks get bust in some other nations, 100% of deposits are lost. This is that sort of a behaviour which makes some of the southern nations increasingly unpopular in the north. On April 04 2013 06:52 ffswowsucks wrote: Have you been in Greece lately? if we were living like kings, then why all of our young people are leaving for other countries, because we are living so great here? because there are jobs here? Yes, I've been to greece, and I saw your cars. This is a beutiful thing about the EU - if you do not find a job in greece, go to Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, the UK, Ireland or anywhere else, and find a job. Many people from Poland, Hungary, Czhech republic did precisely that thing. However, if you stay in Greece and agree to work only for a salary as big as that of an Estonian surgeon (who is bailing you out), then yes, possibly it is going to be hard to find a job. Wake up, see the world yourself. There are many many countries which have their living standards much worse than that of Greece's, and they do not ask for bail-out packages. On April 04 2013 06:52 ffswowsucks wrote: you can write a wall of text but if you read line by line of what u are saying you clearly have no idea of what u are talking about It is so typical to dismiss any strong argument by simply saying than an oponent has no idea what (s)he is talking about. However, if you do not understand, this is what I am trying to tell: there are many other nations who managed to get out of the crisis on their own without asking for the others to bail them out. And they are not whining or complaining a fraction comparing to what I hear from a Greek side. Greece has to become competetive again. Hence, it must have its salaries cut in half. Why would this be so hard to understand? Latvians tried (yes, many people really lost half of their salaries, the others lost their jobs!), and they succeeded. An average salary in Estonia is 916 euros a month, and those people are bailing YOU out. Have you ever said thank you to them? Don't you feel at least little bit ashame because of that? | ||
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Milosmilos
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If you want to know my personal opinion in more detail, read on. Two years after the end of the Greek revolution, in 1830, our first governor was assassinated. the great powers of the time installed a Bavarian King, without a constitution. After WW2, The great powers of the time decided to leave Greece on the side of the west. Therefore, the civil war was won by the 'western' side, the right-wing nationalists. Left wing ideology only became fully accepted again in the end of 1974, after the 1967 junta, one of its presidents a former CIA agent, fell. There are more examples. On another topic, the leader of the current fascist party, was a member of the CIA equivalent in greece, created by the former agent I mentioned earlier. So, what's more true than anything, is that the only right motives are in the hands of some residents. This system, which IS imposed and not self-created, although something remotely similar with the same name happened in the same place a long time ago, only reproduces and brings to power the most dangerous and corrupt kind of nationalist, who either uses force because he can't handle the responsibilities, or assigns them to someone else, in this case foreign governments. So, visit if you like, come and stay here and be part of it if you want to, I would have no problem with that, if you would want to do that. but don't interfere from somewhere else! Your motives are all wrong for the task! What would help all governments is to each have their own sovereignty so we can collaborate peacefully and with harmony. Let's leave the notions of foreign aid and global management, to achieve the still pending, around the world, to establish a fair system of governance, in which effort is rewarded in order to create balance. Let's concentrate and leave these silly destructive notions aside for good. | ||
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