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Lately, two very dangerous phenomena increase largely in the country: a national form and a kind of masochism roughened intolerance, verging on fascism - sometimes surpassing them.
Indeed very heavy intrinsic pathologies of Greek reality lead to conclusions of the following form: Our lenders are correct that want to get from Greece the administration of the country from inside our hands, we are unworthy to have a state, we're all crooks, here come the Germans to "make us better"....
And all these, and other things, investing and a strong dose of intolerance, verging on fascism: those with the above ideas, have strong opinions and they dont allow others to disagree, and those who do not agree with them, get heavily shouted at. But it is unacceptable in a democracy, that violence and jeering, which is the other side of the same coin.
For this, noone is talking...
So, let's all calm down, to those that have decided that Greece should be wiped off the map and in it's place should be born a protectorate that everyone will have reason, except themselves Greeks. Let them make an effort to escape the hatred.
Increasing the depreciation of a country's people, and burning at the stake of any other term that is not consistent with these views ... noble, it's nothing else than primitivism. It is the matrix of every fascism.
Those who have come to hate their homeland and to abhor so, they only have to do what is the simplest thing to do: if the allergy causes that much then they may abandon it. A whole "holy" world awaits them outside the Greek borders ... Why should I live in a national paranoia sadomasochism? Let's throw black stone behind them and let the rest of us see how will we be able to build from scratch our society ...
Also, another way of reaction, which is much more direct this time, are the elections: we gather to make a party, for example, we could name it "I hate Greece" and invite our fellow citizens to vote. Why not? We are Republic, as of now, we have freedom, even so, with an application to the Court with a few signatures, ready to party.
In programmatic positions can we summon them at times saying we are a miserable place, we are the scammers who just want to feed our German suckers, we are all thieves, we are unworthy to be free and we would do well to shut up and sit down and do whatever the foreigners want us to do without saying a word. And whoever has a different opinion, he can go have a walk on Makronisos or somewhere else ...
Well, to finish: cursing their homeland and its people, especially at suffering.
If they want to do it, let's all do it. Their right. Their motives, whether they belong to psychiatric sphere, ranging from loss or achievements, or anything else, is a matter for them.
Our theme, is that we are proud to be Greek. Very proud. And it's not going to do a favor for anyone to miss our pride.
The huge pathogenesis of this place that must be addressed at all costs, is a great and urgent matter. But for those who are not ashamed to be Greek. Why those pathogenesis is so inconceivably deeper and more dangerous, those that should not lose their time with anything else. It is only to look. And have optimism: even for this, a solution should exist ... The science has progressed ...
On a side note.
I wanted to write all this because lately I see from different sources all this hate about Greece etc.
[ http://www.helpivanmartin.org/2013/01/ivan-martin-free-on-bail/ ]
quote from [ http://www.helpivanmartin.org/ ] "The men supposedly rerecorded and photographed strategic military objects to be used in an upcoming military shooter."
As I heard last night from a friend when the two developers first got some footage, they were told that this was against the law and they should leave immediatly. After a while the two returned to "rerecord" etc. So, no wonder they got in jail.
And let me ask you this and I close my blog. What if the same happened in the U.S, what would be the sentence and the consequences... we would have ended up possibly in Guantanamo Bay.
And about the bail... if they will not end up guildy (which they will not) they will get the money back. So all those comments written by 12y old "fuck greece" "greece planned all this to get the money because they suck" gets on me.
 
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On January 16 2013 18:47 Myrkskog wrote:
I like spanakopita.
I like Feta and foreigners like tzatziki, ouzo and gyros.
PS: Jamie Oliver in one of his episodes had a water mellon and was saying it was the most tasteless fruit there is and that it is rubbish. I bet he didnt try water mellon in the summer in Greece...
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I tried reading all that but all I got were ????
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I worry about Greece. Greece is most known for a great ruin in the middle of the capital but the current generations has not matched the successes of ancient Greece. Where are the products, monuments and services that will accompany Greece into the future?
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On January 16 2013 20:09 archonOOid wrote:
I worry about Greece. Greece is most known for a great ruin in the middle of the capital but the current generations has not matched the successes of ancient Greece. Where are the products, monuments and services that will accompany Greece into the future?
I do not fully understand what your question is. At first I was about to tell you on doing some more research and see what Greeks all over the world have managed to accomplish in the last decade but then I realized you were not talking about Greeks rather than Greece itself. Greece has many products (agricultural for example, monuments (alot) but indeed lacks of services. The public sector is really a mess and is now trying alot harder to make up for it. The last time I went to pay for a simple "tax" for my car they were very polite etc, 2 years ago, they would have told me to go talk with someone else for me to pay and be very rude with holding a coffee in their hand. Also the politicians the only thing they ever do is blame each other and fight with each other like small children, rather than try to all work together and fix Greece's issues.
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On January 16 2013 19:34 htn2481 wrote:
I tried reading all that but all I got were ????
100% same here... I have no Idea what the OP was actually saying. Do you others really understand him?
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On January 16 2013 20:45 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 19:34 htn2481 wrote:
I tried reading all that but all I got were ???? 100% same here... I have no Idea what the OP was actually saying. Do you others really understand him?
What do you not understand, maybe I can try and explain it to you. do you really get "????" like sometimes happens in some emails I randomly receive from chinese people?
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no idea what the OP wanted to tell us.
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On January 16 2013 21:38 Skilledblob wrote:
no idea what the OP wanted to tell us.
I am trying to say that Greece/Greeks are not what the rest of the world might think they are. There is many people all over the internet that are bashing Greece without a reason. I also gave links to an example of this attitude with a recent incident that happened to two game developers trying to record footage of military objects which is illegal but still the world hated on Greece because the action they took was totally wrong...
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loosely translated:
Europeans that are forced to lend to Greece due to its precarious economic position have low opinions of Greeks as a result. They see them as lazy and spoiled as they are taking what they perceive as "their" money to Greeks that may or may not have spent beyond their means and are now getting bit for it. The author is complaining that this is bullshit and that Greeks are very hard working and don't deserve this reputation.
At the same time the author is worried about some elements of Greek nationalism that are verging on or actually fascist. He thinks its great to be nationalist and have pride in ones own country. Basically he considers himself a moderate between Greek hating Europeans and Fascist Greeks.
As for why Greece is in this state, as opposed to all the other countries in Europe, consider: Greece used to rule what was all Turkey, under the auspices of the Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire. Then they were conquered by the Ottoman Empire and essentially treated as second class citizens. Their main region remained relatively undeveloped, while the regions they had developed (Constantinople, Antanolia etc.) were considered "Turkish." When Greece finally got it's independence, it was first ruled by foreign governments and then was bullied around by the major powers ultimately never really had a chance to industrialize properly. Then in the Cold War Period, while Greece remained free of Communist control, it was totally surrounded by land and ultimately was ruled by an iron-fist government propped up by US control to keep the Communists out. It was only after the Cold War that Greece started to develop, and they were tempted by low interest loans to expand rapidly. Which bit them in the ass, and now the rest of Europe is paying for it.
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there is no europe without greece
and i fucking love your food
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May want to scale down on the vocabulary a bit, OP. All it's doing is emphasizing your grammar problems. I don't think I understood a single sentence you said.
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On January 16 2013 22:06 ffswowsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 21:38 Skilledblob wrote:
no idea what the OP wanted to tell us. I am trying to say that Greece/Greeks are not what the rest of the world might think they are. There is many people all over the internet that are bashing Greece without a reason. I also gave links to an example of this attitude with a recent incident that happened to two game developers trying to record footage of military objects which is illegal but still the world hated on Greece because the action they took was totally wrong...
sorry but you cant denie that a lot of greeks have a questionable relationship to taxes. This is a problem that has to be solved and if that only works through the EU forcing it on the greeks then so be it. I am not doubting that there are many hard working greeks but widespread taxfraud and corruption has to stop first before the country can prosper again.
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Shouldn't take pride in imaginary lines drawn by powerful people aeons ago. Take pride in the stuff your mom had to sacrifice to raise you. Take pride in the work of the people that gives you food, take pride in the air that made you be, take pride in the ground that gave birth to you. Take pride in the beautiful things of the culture of your ethnic ancestry while questioning the ugly things. You don't need to take pride in the institution of humans segregated by flags.
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On January 16 2013 22:57 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
May want to scale down on the vocabulary a bit, OP. All it's doing is emphasizing your grammar problems. I don't think I understood a single sentence you said.
Thanx for the tip but I would appreciated it if more people would start commenting on what my thoughts are rather than pointing out mistakes I might have made in my grammar. Besides, english is not my mother language.
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I really can't understand what you're trying to write, even though I want to. Sorry OP.
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On January 17 2013 00:21 ffswowsucks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2013 22:57 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
May want to scale down on the vocabulary a bit, OP. All it's doing is emphasizing your grammar problems. I don't think I understood a single sentence you said. Thanx for the tip but I would appreciated it if more people would start commenting on what my thoughts are rather than pointing out mistakes I might have made in my grammar. Besides, english is not my mother language.
Yes, but in order for people to understand your text you should concentrate on making it readable first. There is no need to use pointlessly difficult vocabulary to communicate something that can be explained using a less confusing choice of words. Most people won't give you shit for less than perfect English since you're not a native speaker, but if multiple people tell you they have trouble understanding what you wrote, then you should take it seriously and not just shrug it off like that.
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I have changed the OP a bit so it does not have major grammar mistakes. I am sorry to everyone but I wrote that in a kind of a hurry in the morning. Hope it doesnt confuse anyone in the future. Also thanks to Caller who summarized it a bit in a better way.
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I do not think Greece is going to be "dissolved," nor do I think Greece will become Fascist. I think a lot of your fears are unrelated to the main problem.
The main problem is as follows. Greece has made several huge financial obligations that they can't afford. People cannot retire in their mid-50's because it drastically lowers productivity. People cannot have lavish retirement benefits so early because it dramatically inflates government spending and debt. And the government cannot deficit spend to artificially grow the economy (like it did in the early 2000's) because the debt will eventually hurt them in the long run (or, in this case, right now).
It is true that the other European contries are imposing harsh austerity measures, and Greece feels like it has no say. Yet, all of this unemployment, austerity, and general unrest is due to one reason. Your Socialist government made promises they couldn't keep nor afford, and now everyone is paying the price.
What can Greece do right now? Tbh, I don't know. Greece is in a hard situation. But since your economy and GDP is dependent on government spending, increased taxation and reduced spending will only continue hurting you. Having other countries bail you out will only create more difficult financial obligations in the future that will hurt growth. And if Greece collapses, the international economy will suffer (especially countries that use the Euro) because countries are connected. I think Greece is in a Catch 22, and unless someone comes up with an ingenious idea, Greece will be stuck in this predicament for several years to come.
Finally, in my opinion, many countries (like Spain, France, and America) will one day collapse under its own government defecit and unrealistic promsies. I think Greece is just ahead of curve.
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