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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
I know this is a big QQ post but this is annoying me since a while. I have assembled quite the warning / ban history by now and some of them were certainly well deserved. I have posted my share of stupid shit over the years, no doubt.
But on the other hand I have assembled so many wrong warnings and bans by now that I have to say something about it.
Here is my collection of what I think are the worst mod decisions against me:
1) 2 day ban: Incorrect use of the term "Trolling"
My first ban was because of this post in a Football World Cup game Live Report thread (screenshot):
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What the heck? How would "Incorrect use of the term "Trolling"" even be a reason for a warning? But a ban? No way. I haven't even had a single warning back then so it wasn't an upgraded warning either. On top of that I think I was using the term "trolling" quite correctly there, considering that Vuvuzelas actually are partially meant to distract the opposing teams by annoying them. Easily the worst mod decision I ever faced.
2) Warning: still not a good OP
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My most recent warning. What am I supposed to add into an OP? A link to the Wikipedia "hurricane"or a link to cnn.com for Hurricane coverage? Make my own long OP that in the end is 100 times worse and less complete than any random news site coverage anyway?
There is nothing controversial about a hurricane, the topic is all crystal clear without any information from the OP. It is simply THERE and people want to talk about it so the thread needs no elaborate OP. It is a big fat hurricane that is on every TV screen and news site in the whole western world. Here are a few examples of threads that work beautifully with similarly small OPs because the topic is similarly clear (three of them made by mods btw).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=48747
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89879
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116127
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136013
3) 2-day-ban: asking for a free restream
I was an absolute SC2 noobie trying to get into the game and there was a PPV only MLG going on (MLG Spring). There was also a link in the TL side window redirecting to the MLG site WITHOUT the note "PPV". I knew that I had seen parts of an MLG live before without paying so when I couldn't get the stream to work on their site I was not sure if it was a PPV this time or if I was just too dumb to find the right button on their page.
So I asked. The conversation in the LR report thread went like this (quotes):
"So there is no free stream?"
"You been living under a rock?"
"So is there a free stream or not?"
"Thre're some free streams"
"Ah cool, can u post link?"
Sure enough I got a ban for "asking for a free restream". Fucking bullshit, I was so angry. I never asked for an illegal free restream, at that time I had no fucking idea that there even were any illegal restreams going on in Esports. I came from BW, everything was free there and it was a common practice to ask for working streams in the LR threads. Had anyone said a simple "no" I would have just left. The guy telling me there are free streams obviously didn't even get a warning for luring me into this.
4) 2-day-ban: Funny pics thread is not a place for arguing about forums.
I posted a selfmade long pic in the random pics thread that made fun of the Destiny gook-calling drama and the overreaction of the SC2 community defending and attacking him. A small part of the joke was that this would have been handled differently by the BW community but mostly it was making fun of the excessive drama. Now I obviously cannot repost that picture but it was pretty funny and I can post the PMs that I got for it.
"Nice post in pics thread i chuckled. It was sad too tho =_="
"whoah did you just make that pic in funny pic thread? It's awesome  "
Note that I didn't get a single critical PM for the pic except the ban notification.
5) Warning: No picture = warn, you could of just PM'd him?
As you might know a frequent pattern in the random pics thread is this: Someone posts a picture that makes people want to respond ("where is that pic from?"; "I think that pic is inappropiate"; "super funny pic bro, thx for posting"). Now you can either send a PM and get ignored or post in the thread to get your answer and get warned. Or, brilliantly, ask the question anyway and attach a butt old unfunny pic from 2002 to it (that annoys everyone) to get your answer and no warning.
I don't think I am unfair when I call this a shitty system. So I had the idea to make a thread in which we can discuss the pics. The advantages are that people who just want to see funny pics with discussions are forever freed from that plague, that these annoying "1 old pic + question" posts will disappear and that we can actually discuss pics that are worth discussing. I advertised the thread ONCE in the random pics thread by responding to a "long opinion + 1 pic post", without attaching a picture because that was the whole point of the thread to begin with.
The thread went very well, 3 questions were resolved in 8 posts and 1 post simply said that the thread is a good idea. Sure enough it got immediately closed because "fuck you we hate good ideas" and I got warned for not attaching a picture of a cat asking "can i has cheezburger?" to my advertisement post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341328
6) Warning: don't be a jerk.
My post about Anna Prosser's Miss USA candidature was this: "Hmm... I have never heard of her or seen her before (not into SC2), but that picture in the OP is certainly not going to get a vote for a miss election out of me. She looks not attractive."
Now this might be considered being a jerk because she actually is pretty (I know that now) but I wasn't lying. She actually looked just mediocre on that pic and this was the first I saw of her. If you haven't seen the pic you might not believe me but trust me, she looked not like a person you would elect even for a Miss Oklahoma Cheese Contest. I have no idea how that happened but her picture for that contest was the single worst looking of her I have ever seen. By miles.
The pic on the Miss USA page got replaced with a better one quickly btw.
  
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My advice: suck it up.
We've all gotten our fair share of disagreeing warnings and bans.
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You combined a joke about Destiny using racial slurs and SC2 vs BW and were surprised you offended someone?
If you could somehow work into that "saviOr did nothing wrong" then you'd have hit like, a trifecta of ways to offend strangers lol.
I will admit I don't understand that first ban for the vuvuzela at all.
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hahahahahahahahaaha
You've spoken your honest mind about the wrong person man
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On October 31 2012 02:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
My advice: suck it up.
We've all gotten our fair share of disagreeing warnings and bans.
I haven't. But I also haven't been around as long - and I'm fully aware that anything posted on the internet lives forever, so maybe I think two or three times about it.
Also, complaining about moderation never ends well. Everyone thinks of the internet as a land of free speech, where you can say anything, and that's not true. The internet is a collection of dictatorships enmeshed in communications. Most of the dictators (moderators/site owners/etc) are benevolent, generally cool, and open to things. But they are still completely in control, you have no "rights", and the only brakes or balances of power are amongst them. This has been true since Arpanet.
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1. Okay, bad decision.
2. All those links are to pre SC2 threads, when posting standards were much more lax
3. Ignorance is no excuse
4. Why are you annoyed over this one exactly?
5. Just use PMs, good lord.
6. Still rude.
Get over it.
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Canada13412 Posts
Most of your "undeserved" warnings were for breaking rules. So I would say they are deserved. Especially in the Pics thread. It says no pic = warning/ban
Do why not ask a question and post pic?
Or you know PM the poster -_-
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I got 1 week ban for 3) so you had it easy
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Bitch please, I got a warning for talking in an LR thread about something that was shown on stream (they accidentally revealed how long the set would be on stream beforehand).
Also, website feedback.
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On October 31 2012 02:45 Praetorial wrote:
1. Okay, bad decision.
2. All those links are to pre SC2 threads, when posting standards were much more lax
3. Ignorance is no excuse
4. Why are you annoyed over this one exactly?
5. Just use PMs, good lord.
6. Still rude.
Get over it.
3. Yes it is.... yes it fucking is. This is not a case of "nobody should be ignorant of the law". The mod probably assumed the guy wanted an "illegal stream" but the guy just assumed there were free streams.
4. Seems like he got a 2day ban for posting a funny picture in a funny picture thread. I'd be annoyed.
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I'd say the first one is the only one I don't understand. There is probably some context that I'm unaware of coming from a soccer hating land.
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row row row your boat gently DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM!!
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Do you own the site? They can do whatever they want, your still able to post here so no one gives a fuck. Being on the slight side of harsh is better than slight side of letting shitty threads and posts slide, with the intentions of pissing people off/derailing the thread.
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Hm, I don't fancy playing moderator or anything here and trying to justify all of them. I don't quite understand #1, why you were banned, that is, but maybe there was some context I'm not getting.
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Yeah, 1 is the only one I don't get. The rest of them seem like minor indiscretions met with minor punishments, so I don't understand why you're so frustrated with "the system"
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All of the really insubstantial OPs you listed were back from the past, when everyone on the forums knew each other so quality wasn't quite an issue. Only after SC2 did the population explode, quality went to shit and so the moderators had to start making heavier penalties for not posting well..
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1. Agreed with you. Ban definitely over the top.
2:
This is a good OP about the storm:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=378741
This is a good OP about the mars landing (updates, etc etc):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358400
Also in your thread people like ranshaked posted live updates. Multiple streams, twitters and webpages with live updates were references. You did nothing like that. If you dont want to make a quality op (or update it, once there is more information) - dont make one.
3. From the start of GOM TV, TL's position on restreams was well known for basically everyone. Yes, it sucks that you didnt know that, but the punishment was always a ban.
4. Since I dont know the exact picture, I cannot comment. But there are other pictures which get warned.
5. No picture = warn is a rule that is easy to follow. PM's are really enough.
6. Agreed with you. Especially since pretty != attractive, and the first pic really isnt her greatest. And it wasnt insulting "what an ugly bitch".
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
My main problem with 2,4 and 5 was that I tried to contribute to the site and got punished for it.
I spent quite a bit of time to make a good funny picture that mocked the ongoing drama shitstorm and got banned.
I saw a problem with the random pics thread, thought of an answer, made a good new thread with a nice OP that got positive feedback and as a thankyou got a warning.
I saw there was no hurricane thread so I made one and got a warning and I still have no idea what you would include in a hurricane thread OP other than asking how the fellow TLers are (because that was all I wanted to know).
I know it is just random warnings/bans on a random site on the internet but it is shitty anyway if you invest something to help out and get punished for it.
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Zurich15366 Posts
Most of those mod actions are completely fine and in line with TL policy
1) wouldn't happen again today. It was during a temporary campaign to restore the word "trolling" (which failed)
2) borderline, I admit. It IS a bad OP though and those get usually closed. Look at this for a good OP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376970
3) completely fine
4) completely fine
5) completely fine
6) completely fine
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The real problem with people incorrectly using "trolling" was first really described by intrigue, and it mainly has to do with calling your opposition a troll in a discussion, which is akin to throwing bricks under a lawnmower as far as how annoying it is. Your post was on the same level as other people expressing frustration, the vuvuzelas were just obnoxious.
The random pics thread is a beginner's trap, people go in, post a pic they thought was funny (seemingly satisfying the mod note on the thread), then find it exploited race or the wrong community controversy, or I also saw one guy post a meme about the guy above him not posting a picture, which I laughed at, but was construed as backseat moderating (the meme, not my laughing). Then they get warned/banned, but luckily the pics are left for the rest of us to enjoy.
If it were up to me, the people who actually post without a picture would get ejected for like a week. It's plain as day in the mod note. That would be more fair to all the 2-days who post a SFW pic
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