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dongmydrum
United States139 Posts
1. don't give crap about what people think, be happy where you are 2. do whatever it takes to get what you want it will seem like option 1 is easier, but trust me. option 2 is a thousand times harder. what do you think will be easier to do? becoming a monk, thus freeing yourself of all material and sexual desire, or becoming a doctor/lawyer/banker or whatever profession that allows you to make more money than the average person? | ||
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Mstring
Australia510 Posts
On July 06 2012 14:49 dongmydrum wrote: There are two ways to become happy: 1. don't give crap about what people think, be happy where you are 2. do whatever it takes to get what you want it will seem like option 1 is easier, but trust me. option 2 is a thousand times harder. what do you think will be easier to do? becoming a monk, thus freeing yourself of all material and sexual desire, or becoming a doctor/lawyer/banker or whatever profession that allows you to make more money than the average person? (2) isn't a solution to the problem because it requires a leap of faith that you will be happy when you achieve what you "want". Given that you don't have it, how can you be sure it will bring you happiness? | ||
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
Money isn't everything, but it is a protection from the troubles poverty brings. That said, if you work hard you will make more than your average lazy entitled mid twenties guy. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On July 06 2012 11:09 Fumanchu wrote: Wow I can't believe how many people jump on the, "do what you love, money isn't everything" crap bandwagon. Either you're 14, or you still live at home, or life has given you a great head start. I work at a job that is absolutely unbelievably crappy. I stack wood that comes out of a conveyor belt. That's it. Wood moves along a belt and I stack it next to me on a cart. For eight hours a day, I don't move my feet unless they fall asleep. Moreover, this job allows me to save 100 bucks in my bank account each month. You're trying to tell me that if I made more money I wouldn't be happier? I wouldn't be happier if I was sleeping on a mattress instead of some couch cushions I bought from a thrift store? Then you misunderstand what everyone is saying. People aren't saying "find a way to be happy in your crappy situation". "Do what you love" means work towards accomplishing your goals. For example, if you want to be a programmer because you enjoy programming in your free time, but don't have a computer engineering/computer science degree or any professional experience (making getting a job hard) then work on it. Do personal projects (that you can show off on a resume/interview), maybe take some classes if thats your thing, join a team of other programmers doing some project you find interesting, etc, until you have what it takes to get a job programming professionally. But no, money definitely isn't anything. Its a necessity when you don' have any, but considering you only live once its better (imo) to work at a job you love (and enjoy going to in the morning) even if it makes half of what you could otherwise make at a job you hate (so long as its sustainable). In your example, you're neither making real money nor doing what you love, so yeah that situation is something that you should work on improving. If you said "hey, I make enough to live off of, but not a lot more, but I love my job" then it would be a different story. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
But if you think your really passionate about it, that you can devote the next few years, and more of your life to this, then I say go for it. Just try and have some sort of backup plan incase it fails. | ||
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Anacletus
United States733 Posts
Things could always be worse. Routine is the dull man's worst enemy. Rich people can frown from monotony too. | ||
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
On July 03 2012 10:47 Empyrean wrote: There's more to life than money. This is true, but to somebody who isn't in that 'comfort zone' that EngrishTeacher is talking about, money is pretty fuckin important. It isn't until you're living steady (as in you're able to look beyond your next two paychecks or so) that you're able to shift priorities in life a bit more. The threat of being tossed in the street because you can't afford rent or the prospects of literally starving for a few weeks can be pretty harrowing. That said, the pursuit of the luxuries in life like nice cars and $300 pants and all that bullshit isn't worth it, but for many this conclusion isn't drawn until they actually get a taste of this and see firsthand how vapid and unnecessary this stuff is (at least, this was the case for me), and some people (like a friend of mine who grew up poor and with a complex about it) never really get out of this 'chase the high life' lifestyle. IMO, life is better spent pursuing novel experiences and achieving personal goals than getting money | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
Here random quote: "Natural disasters are not as bad as not knowing what is enough. Loss is not as bad as wanting more. "Therefore the sufficiency that comes from knowing what is enough is an eternal sufficiency." -Tao Te Ching Your quote: "Money isn't everything; but without it you are nothing." Seriously? You are beyond being helped. You are nothing either way, believing that money will change that is a delusion. | ||
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sevencck
Canada698 Posts
On July 06 2012 10:38 EngrishTeacher wrote:But at the same time I also firmly believe in the quote, "Money isn't everything; but without it you are nothing." So an industrialized setting with a capitalist economy is a necessary prerequisite for the human spirit to thrive and find satisfaction and comfort? You need money, I won't deny that, but you're putting way too much emphasis on it for happiness. Are you saying if you won't be happy until you make more than 30K USD per year? That if you never make more you'll never be happy? Does that sound like a good value? However, your upbringing and maybe genetics do decide your satisfaction line, so for some people it's quite a bit higher than others. Additionally, the country/environment, and to a certain extent your social circles, also influences just how much money directly translates into happiness. For me, unfortunately, my upbringing and also the revoltingly materialistic environment that I live in (China) have put my comfort line quite a bit higher than others. I only make about 180 000 RMB, or just under 30K USD per year. With purchasing power parity considered, that gets raised to about 60K USD per year which still isn't much by my standards. This is flat out wrong. Genetics play no part whatsoever in it, none whatsoever. What you're talking about is a value, and values can and do change and evolve. You're trying to validate a problematic value for excess and unnecessary wealth and status by claiming you have a genetic predisposition for it, and that by extension it is therefore beyond your capability to change. Your upbrining is a factor, I agree, but again, only because you're brought up on certain values. When you learn to critique the values you hold, you can free yourself from them somewhat. You can still pursue wealth, but it will be within a more inclusive and meaningful understanding of yourself. | ||
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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Spikeke
Canada106 Posts
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rogzardo
610 Posts
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rogzardo
610 Posts
On July 06 2012 10:38 EngrishTeacher wrote: Thanks for the replies, and wow I can't believe how most people here brush off money as something so trivial. I understand that money isn't everything; I also want to love someone passionately who returns the affection, good health, and a happy family. But at the same time I also firmly believe in the quote, "Money isn't everything; but without it you are nothing." I've discussed the issue of correlation between money and happiness many times with friends and mentors, and the general consensus is that the main variables/factors are the amount of money in question, personal upbringing (satisfaction line), and how important money is in the culture/environment that you live in. How much money you make PERFECTLY correlates with your happiness when you make under a certain amount. This amount of course differs between different countries and cultures, but the fact is, by my very rough and biased estimate (although accuracy here isn't the main concern as I'm merely trying to convey my point), if you make under 20K per year in the U.S./Canada you probably aren't going to be terribly happy, so from $0 - $~30 000 yearly every additional dollar pretty much linearly increases your happiness. Once you reach the "comfort line", or satisfaction line" as I'd like to put it ($~30 000/year), I agree that for a good portion of the population every additional dollar decreases in importance exponentially. I'll clarify this point in graphical form. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BwWIQ.png) However, your upbringing and maybe genetics do decide your satisfaction line, so for some people it's quite a bit higher than others. Additionally, the country/environment, and to a certain extent your social circles, also influences just how much money directly translates into happiness. For me, unfortunately, my upbringing and also the revoltingly materialistic environment that I live in (China) have put my comfort line quite a bit higher than others. I only make about 180 000 RMB, or just under 30K USD per year. With purchasing power parity considered, that gets raised to about 60K USD per year which still isn't much by my standards. Moreover, as I posted in the this guy's girl blog http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=350652 , I am also going through a tough time due to the fact that I am absolutely in LOVE with someone who probably doesn't love me back. My thoughts spontaneously jump to her at least a few dozen times a day, and I'm tortured by the fact that she's also my co-worker and good friend so telling her how I really feel is a complicated and delicate matter. We spend at least 50 hours a week sitting 2 feet away from each other so awkward fuckups are something that I try my best to avoid. The main issue here though, is surely again, that I just don't have enough bills in my wallet. She's a really good person with a HUGE heart, but her education and upbringing has shaped her to want someone older who can provide her with a more comfortable lifestyle. I guess what I'm trying to say is, although money can't directly buy you love, it creates endless possibilities for initiating new relationships and security for maintaining existing ones. I haven't quit my job yet but I've been drowning myself in data (econ and finance major boohoo) for the past few days trying to find out if I'd make it in the jade market. Fueled by a lot of Beethoven and Rachmaninoff mixing in a little bit of Eminem, it's time to get down. In the words of Eminem, Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment Would you capture it or just let it slip? That is not a good person with a huge heart, that is a woman who will suck your life away given enough time. Danger! Danger! Danger! | ||
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