On June 15 2012 22:43 Zorkmid wrote: Are porn and weed really fucking your life up? Really?
I think that you could benefit from speaking to your doctor about this stuff, I'm no expert, but it sounds like there's something else at the root of your problems.
its extremely embarrassing to admit, but yes. luckily , as many of u can tell by now, im shameless ^_^
off topic, but I've seen a counselor before and it was probably the worst thing. as for doctor i assume the typical Work out and eat healthy and dont do drugs advice would apply? all of which im doing i guess they could prescribe me something , but im not interested in that
as for root of my problems, i have an addictive personality, i dont believe there is a way to fix who you are, and im happy with the person i am regardless, just not other.. stuff.
Addictive personalities are fun, I have one too. Also distracting >.< But hey, good thing sc exists.
On June 15 2012 22:43 Zorkmid wrote: Are porn and weed really fucking your life up? Really?
I think that you could benefit from speaking to your doctor about this stuff, I'm no expert, but it sounds like there's something else at the root of your problems.
its extremely embarrassing to admit, but yes. luckily , as many of u can tell by now, im shameless ^_^
off topic, but I've seen a counselor before and it was probably the worst thing. as for doctor i assume the typical Work out and eat healthy and dont do drugs advice would apply? all of which im doing i guess they could prescribe me something , but im not interested in that
as for root of my problems, i have an addictive personality, i dont believe there is a way to fix who you are, and im happy with the person i am regardless, just not other.. stuff.
You should stay away from drugs completely then, they're not for ya.
On June 15 2012 21:15 Wrongspeedy wrote: Alcohol and Marijauna release Dopamine as well. Actually last time I checked Dopamine is just one of the chemicals our brains use to experience pleasure. Sex, Gambling, Drugs whatever it is, Dopamine probably plays a role. And of course when you depend on high amounts of it frequently your Hedonic Set Point is raised higher and requires more Dopamine to get the same effect.
I am currently attending AA and MA (marijauna anonymous) meetings 7+ times a week, and they have helped me a lot (I haven't taken a mind or mood altering substance in 61 days ^_^, which is the longest I have ever gone since I started using them 8 years ago). Its just nice to know your not alone, and many many many people have experienced the same thing as you and are willing to talk about that openly and honestly. I honestly could not stop using until I started going to these groups and started to be completely honest with other people, that allowed me to be honest with myself.
I was in outpatient treatment for 2 months and relapsing frequently even while being drug tested with the threat of losing my job or being recommended for inpatient. :S
Now I feel pretty good and I am actually dealing with my life one problem at a time, not to mention I actually just get out and do shit. Hiking, rock climbing, trying new foods with friends, reading, biking, making music. I never had time for other people or things when all I cared about was getting high.
Weed is not the most harmless shit on the planet(It is a stimulant, a depressant, and a halucinogen). Kittens, Puppies, and Babies are far less harmless. Weed will bitch slap you like non-other if you let it. I know for a fact that some meth addicts, coke addicts, and herion addicts will admit that weed was harder for them to quit. People that say its not addictive are full of shit. Some people don't have a problem with it, but that doesn't change the fact that many people do. I spent almost 300 hundred dollars a week on it and could not stop on my own, even when I wanted to.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post, it releases dopamine, so you never really conquered dopamine abuse (after 3 days! Think about how much longer your going to be alive!). You probably will never "conquer" it, because your brain won't stop making it until you are dead (or you have a disease that stops it from producing). All you can do is know your faults and control yourself.
Anyways, congrats on making positive changes in your life, not trying to be a downer on you. But I felt like I should share part of my experience. Weed made me want to die, I was angry, isolated, and depressed every day and life had no purpose except to work (so that I could afford to spend over 13k a year on Weed) and get high. And getting high was never as fun as the first time.
Some people don't have problems with things like Alchohol, Weed, Sex. For other people it will literally ruin or take their lives away.
I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with whoever is telling you weed is harder to quit than heroin or cocaine. I'm currently 28 years old. I've smoked weed on and off since high school. I was also an opiate addict for 4 years (oxycontin, then evetnually heroin, sniffed not intravenous) and have also been addicted to cocaine and cigarettes for stints in my life.
Weed was definitely the easiest thing for me to quit, compared to the other drugs. It required little effort, there are virtually no physical withdrawal symptoms, it's almost all mental. If you told me I'd either have to quit weed or heroin cold turkey I'll take weed everytime no question. have you ever gone through opiate withdrawal? it's like hell on earth.. I would say cigarettes and opiates are probably the hardest substances to quit.. I know benzos are extremely hard too but I've never really done those (like xanex etc.)
Also no offense but I personally think it's silly weed is viewed as something you need to go get help for to quit. (I always thought MA was methadone anonymous.. Marijuana anonymous??.. it's just funny for someone who's had to go through real drug withdrawal.. I mean inpatient treatment for weed? does that even exist?) Alcohol is more understandable, but both things in moderation really are relatively harmless. MODERATION.. it's key to everything. Why does everything have to be all out or nothing? I still choose to smoke weed today (I quit for 4 years) and drink alchol on weekends, and they are far less destructive than the other harder drugs (still need to be careful with alcohol). I do it in moderation, and I don't view it as something that controls me or my life, like opiates used to. I have a great job, make good money, I have motivation to work out 3-4 times a week. Really the only thing weed does is make me a little lazy and tired at times, but again it's something I could quit easily if I wanted to, all you need is a little willpower. I really don't see a need to atm since it's not effecting my life negatively. Opiates on the other hand destroyed my life, and alcohol can do the same if you drink everyday.. I just don't think marijuana should be grouped with things like heroin, cocaine.. even alcohol.. it really is not the same..
On June 15 2012 21:15 Wrongspeedy wrote: Alcohol and Marijauna release Dopamine as well. Actually last time I checked Dopamine is just one of the chemicals our brains use to experience pleasure. Sex, Gambling, Drugs whatever it is, Dopamine probably plays a role. And of course when you depend on high amounts of it frequently your Hedonic Set Point is raised higher and requires more Dopamine to get the same effect.
I am currently attending AA and MA (marijauna anonymous) meetings 7+ times a week, and they have helped me a lot (I haven't taken a mind or mood altering substance in 61 days ^_^, which is the longest I have ever gone since I started using them 8 years ago). Its just nice to know your not alone, and many many many people have experienced the same thing as you and are willing to talk about that openly and honestly. I honestly could not stop using until I started going to these groups and started to be completely honest with other people, that allowed me to be honest with myself.
I was in outpatient treatment for 2 months and relapsing frequently even while being drug tested with the threat of losing my job or being recommended for inpatient. :S
Now I feel pretty good and I am actually dealing with my life one problem at a time, not to mention I actually just get out and do shit. Hiking, rock climbing, trying new foods with friends, reading, biking, making music. I never had time for other people or things when all I cared about was getting high.
Weed is not the most harmless shit on the planet(It is a stimulant, a depressant, and a halucinogen). Kittens, Puppies, and Babies are far less harmless. Weed will bitch slap you like non-other if you let it. I know for a fact that some meth addicts, coke addicts, and herion addicts will admit that weed was harder for them to quit. People that say its not addictive are full of shit. Some people don't have a problem with it, but that doesn't change the fact that many people do. I spent almost 300 hundred dollars a week on it and could not stop on my own, even when I wanted to.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post, it releases dopamine, so you never really conquered dopamine abuse (after 3 days! Think about how much longer your going to be alive!). You probably will never "conquer" it, because your brain won't stop making it until you are dead (or you have a disease that stops it from producing). All you can do is know your faults and control yourself.
Anyways, congrats on making positive changes in your life, not trying to be a downer on you. But I felt like I should share part of my experience. Weed made me want to die, I was angry, isolated, and depressed every day and life had no purpose except to work (so that I could afford to spend over 13k a year on Weed) and get high. And getting high was never as fun as the first time.
Some people don't have problems with things like Alchohol, Weed, Sex. For other people it will literally ruin or take their lives away.
I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with whoever is telling you weed is harder to quit than heroin or cocaine. I'm currently 28 years old. I've smoked weed on and off since high school. I was also an opiate addict for 4 years (oxycontin, then evetnually heroin, sniffed not intravenous) and have also been addicted to cocaine and cigarettes for stints in my life.
Weed was definitely the easiest thing for me to quit, compared to the other drugs. It required little effort, there are virtually no physical withdrawal symptoms, it's almost all mental. If you told me I'd either have to quit weed or heroin cold turkey I'll take weed everytime no question. have you ever gone through opiate withdrawal? it's like hell on earth.. I would say cigarettes and opiates are probably the hardest substances to quit.. I know benzos are extremely hard too but I've never really done those (like xanex etc.)
Also no offense but I personally think it's silly weed is viewed as something you need to go get help for to quit. (I always thought MA was methadone anonymous.. Marijuana anonymous??.. it's just funny for someone who's had to go through real drug withdrawal.. I mean inpatient treatment for weed? does that even exist?) Alcohol is more understandable, but both things in moderation really are relatively harmless. MODERATION.. it's key to everything. Why does everything have to be all out or nothing? I still choose to smoke weed today (I quit for 4 years) and drink alchol on weekends, and they are far less destructive than the other harder drugs (still need to be careful with alcohol). I do it in moderation, and I don't view it as something that controls me or my life, like opiates used to. I have a great job, make good money, I have motivation to work out 3-4 times a week. Really the only thing weed does is make me a little lazy and tired at times, but again it's something I could quit easily if I wanted to, all you need is a little willpower. I really don't see a need to atm since it's not effecting my life negatively. Opiates on the other hand destroyed my life, and alcohol can do the same if you drink everyday.. I just don't think marijuana should be grouped with things like heroin, cocaine.. even alcohol.. it really is not the same..
Thats a nice opinion. I didn't say all herion and coke addicts felt that way, just that I personally know some who do. Willpower has nothing to do with it. My willpower was for buying more drugs, my favorite happened to be MJ.
Ciggs are harder to quit than just about anything, but people don't give a shit about them. And for you to say that MJ doesn't deserve to be in the same class as other narcotics because thats your Opinion; is just that, Your Opinion. I didn't say everyone who smokes weed will have a problem with it. I have friends who smoke an eigth every two weeks between themselves and their gf's. I smoked that in a day easy, Every Single Day. I am not saying that its impossible to use responsibly, only that its impossible for some people to use responsibly.
There are plenty of people in MA who have made your Opiate abuse look like childs play, and then had a hard time quitting MJ. MJ also has withdrawl, maybe not as bad as herion or alcohol; but for me personally, not sleeping for 2 weeks, not feeling like I could eat anything, having headaches for 2 months, and in general just being pissed off all the time, count as withdrawl. Weed is a real drug. Alcohol is a drug PERIOD. You offend me when you talk about real drug withdrawls.
While your at it, why don't you just tell HeavOnEarth to just keep fapping away because its not hardcore enough for you.
Dude, grats for coming forward with this. Reading your paragraphs on how PMO interfered with school made me have serious flashbacks. I never went so far as to cheat, but the failure, the terrible feelings, and the rationalizations I went through were the same. Fortunately for me, my roommate and my friends were supportive, and he introduced me to r/NoFap. Well, here's to getting our shit together, good luck! <3
On June 15 2012 21:15 Wrongspeedy wrote: Alcohol and Marijauna release Dopamine as well. Actually last time I checked Dopamine is just one of the chemicals our brains use to experience pleasure. Sex, Gambling, Drugs whatever it is, Dopamine probably plays a role. And of course when you depend on high amounts of it frequently your Hedonic Set Point is raised higher and requires more Dopamine to get the same effect.
I am currently attending AA and MA (marijauna anonymous) meetings 7+ times a week, and they have helped me a lot (I haven't taken a mind or mood altering substance in 61 days ^_^, which is the longest I have ever gone since I started using them 8 years ago). Its just nice to know your not alone, and many many many people have experienced the same thing as you and are willing to talk about that openly and honestly. I honestly could not stop using until I started going to these groups and started to be completely honest with other people, that allowed me to be honest with myself.
I was in outpatient treatment for 2 months and relapsing frequently even while being drug tested with the threat of losing my job or being recommended for inpatient. :S
Now I feel pretty good and I am actually dealing with my life one problem at a time, not to mention I actually just get out and do shit. Hiking, rock climbing, trying new foods with friends, reading, biking, making music. I never had time for other people or things when all I cared about was getting high.
Weed is not the most harmless shit on the planet(It is a stimulant, a depressant, and a halucinogen). Kittens, Puppies, and Babies are far less harmless. Weed will bitch slap you like non-other if you let it. I know for a fact that some meth addicts, coke addicts, and herion addicts will admit that weed was harder for them to quit. People that say its not addictive are full of shit. Some people don't have a problem with it, but that doesn't change the fact that many people do. I spent almost 300 hundred dollars a week on it and could not stop on my own, even when I wanted to.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post, it releases dopamine, so you never really conquered dopamine abuse (after 3 days! Think about how much longer your going to be alive!). You probably will never "conquer" it, because your brain won't stop making it until you are dead (or you have a disease that stops it from producing). All you can do is know your faults and control yourself.
Anyways, congrats on making positive changes in your life, not trying to be a downer on you. But I felt like I should share part of my experience. Weed made me want to die, I was angry, isolated, and depressed every day and life had no purpose except to work (so that I could afford to spend over 13k a year on Weed) and get high. And getting high was never as fun as the first time.
Some people don't have problems with things like Alchohol, Weed, Sex. For other people it will literally ruin or take their lives away.
I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with whoever is telling you weed is harder to quit than heroin or cocaine. I'm currently 28 years old. I've smoked weed on and off since high school. I was also an opiate addict for 4 years (oxycontin, then evetnually heroin, sniffed not intravenous) and have also been addicted to cocaine and cigarettes for stints in my life.
Weed was definitely the easiest thing for me to quit, compared to the other drugs. It required little effort, there are virtually no physical withdrawal symptoms, it's almost all mental. If you told me I'd either have to quit weed or heroin cold turkey I'll take weed everytime no question. have you ever gone through opiate withdrawal? it's like hell on earth.. I would say cigarettes and opiates are probably the hardest substances to quit.. I know benzos are extremely hard too but I've never really done those (like xanex etc.)
Also no offense but I personally think it's silly weed is viewed as something you need to go get help for to quit. (I always thought MA was methadone anonymous.. Marijuana anonymous??.. it's just funny for someone who's had to go through real drug withdrawal.. I mean inpatient treatment for weed? does that even exist?) Alcohol is more understandable, but both things in moderation really are relatively harmless. MODERATION.. it's key to everything. Why does everything have to be all out or nothing? I still choose to smoke weed today (I quit for 4 years) and drink alchol on weekends, and they are far less destructive than the other harder drugs (still need to be careful with alcohol). I do it in moderation, and I don't view it as something that controls me or my life, like opiates used to. I have a great job, make good money, I have motivation to work out 3-4 times a week. Really the only thing weed does is make me a little lazy and tired at times, but again it's something I could quit easily if I wanted to, all you need is a little willpower. I really don't see a need to atm since it's not effecting my life negatively. Opiates on the other hand destroyed my life, and alcohol can do the same if you drink everyday.. I just don't think marijuana should be grouped with things like heroin, cocaine.. even alcohol.. it really is not the same..
Thats a nice opinion. I didn't say all herion and coke addicts felt that way, just that I personally know some who do. Willpower has nothing to do with it. My willpower was for buying more drugs, my favorite happened to be MJ.
Ciggs are harder to quit than just about anything, but people don't give a shit about them. And for you to say that MJ doesn't deserve to be in the same class as other narcotics because thats your Opinion; is just that, Your Opinion. I didn't say everyone who smokes weed will have a problem with it. I have friends who smoke an eigth every two weeks between themselves and their gf's. I smoked that in a day easy, Every Single Day. I am not saying that its impossible to use responsibly, only that its impossible for some people to use responsibly.
There are plenty of people in MA who have made your Opiate abuse look like childs play, and then had a hard time quitting MJ. MJ also has withdrawl, maybe not as bad as herion or alcohol; but for me personally, not sleeping for 2 weeks, not feeling like I could eat anything, having headaches for 2 months, and in general just being pissed off all the time, count as withdrawl. Weed is a real drug. Alcohol is a drug PERIOD. You offend me when you talk about real drug withdrawls.
While your at it, why don't you just tell HeavOnEarth to just keep fapping away because its not hardcore enough for you.
No, just no. It is not an opinion, it is hard fact backed by addiction rates, by measures of bodily harm, by measures of societal impact. Violence rates, weapons charges, and companion illegalities are almost non-existent with marijuana, whereas with cocaine and methamphetamine they are considered standard fare. Just because quitting marijuana was difficult for you does not somehow change these things, and to then take the haughty road of claiming offense? Well, since reality is apparently dictated by anecdotal experience, here's an anecdote for you.
I was a part of the central Ohio drug scene for 5 years, during which I sold drugs, lived with drug dealers, and did many drugs myself. Wow, you can smoke an eighth of weed a day, what an addict you were! I've seen kids spit into a spoon, dissolve dmt in said spit, and inject it. I've seen women acquiesce to horrible acts of multiple partner sex just so they could stave off their dope sickness with some methadone. A friend of mine once became so delusional on massive doses of Xanax that he attempted to rob a grocery store with a golf club during the middle of the night. I'm not proud of some of the things I've done and the people I've consorted with, but I do value the lessons they've taught me when it comes to what the use of mind-altering chemicals can do to the human brain."There are plenty of people in MA who have made your opiate abuse look like childs play," This is garbage straight out of a 1950's after-school special, and has no basis in any reality, not even one warped by drugs. Have you ever held someone in your arms while they went through opiate withdrawal? I will never forget the smell of her sweat, the violent shaking of her limbs, or the nonsensical pleas for dope that slurred out in between bouts of vomiting. She died a week later, after a rebound injection in a new place proved too much for her already frail person.
This is where I'm gonna get even more politically incorrect. One cannot bring up addiction without discussing weakness, the two go hand in hand. I've seen kids get through medical school with a needle in their arm, and I've seen "psychonauts" flounder for years on dreams of discovering a truth that does not exist, and the difference ends up being weakness. Maybe you actually did know some people who hit rock bottom on marijuana, what I'm tlling you is that they were weak, plain and simple. If you happen to be too weak to consume psychadelic substances, then that is FINE! But stop there, because when you start to tell me that thc and diacetylmorphine have the same effect, well thats just bullshit.
To the OP, good luck friend. Life's trials and tribulations are what make the good parts of life so sweet.
On June 15 2012 21:15 Wrongspeedy wrote: Alcohol and Marijauna release Dopamine as well. Actually last time I checked Dopamine is just one of the chemicals our brains use to experience pleasure. Sex, Gambling, Drugs whatever it is, Dopamine probably plays a role. And of course when you depend on high amounts of it frequently your Hedonic Set Point is raised higher and requires more Dopamine to get the same effect.
I am currently attending AA and MA (marijauna anonymous) meetings 7+ times a week, and they have helped me a lot (I haven't taken a mind or mood altering substance in 61 days ^_^, which is the longest I have ever gone since I started using them 8 years ago). Its just nice to know your not alone, and many many many people have experienced the same thing as you and are willing to talk about that openly and honestly. I honestly could not stop using until I started going to these groups and started to be completely honest with other people, that allowed me to be honest with myself.
I was in outpatient treatment for 2 months and relapsing frequently even while being drug tested with the threat of losing my job or being recommended for inpatient. :S
Now I feel pretty good and I am actually dealing with my life one problem at a time, not to mention I actually just get out and do shit. Hiking, rock climbing, trying new foods with friends, reading, biking, making music. I never had time for other people or things when all I cared about was getting high.
Weed is not the most harmless shit on the planet(It is a stimulant, a depressant, and a halucinogen). Kittens, Puppies, and Babies are far less harmless. Weed will bitch slap you like non-other if you let it. I know for a fact that some meth addicts, coke addicts, and herion addicts will admit that weed was harder for them to quit. People that say its not addictive are full of shit. Some people don't have a problem with it, but that doesn't change the fact that many people do. I spent almost 300 hundred dollars a week on it and could not stop on my own, even when I wanted to.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post, it releases dopamine, so you never really conquered dopamine abuse (after 3 days! Think about how much longer your going to be alive!). You probably will never "conquer" it, because your brain won't stop making it until you are dead (or you have a disease that stops it from producing). All you can do is know your faults and control yourself.
Anyways, congrats on making positive changes in your life, not trying to be a downer on you. But I felt like I should share part of my experience. Weed made me want to die, I was angry, isolated, and depressed every day and life had no purpose except to work (so that I could afford to spend over 13k a year on Weed) and get high. And getting high was never as fun as the first time.
Some people don't have problems with things like Alchohol, Weed, Sex. For other people it will literally ruin or take their lives away.
I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with whoever is telling you weed is harder to quit than heroin or cocaine. I'm currently 28 years old. I've smoked weed on and off since high school. I was also an opiate addict for 4 years (oxycontin, then evetnually heroin, sniffed not intravenous) and have also been addicted to cocaine and cigarettes for stints in my life.
Weed was definitely the easiest thing for me to quit, compared to the other drugs. It required little effort, there are virtually no physical withdrawal symptoms, it's almost all mental. If you told me I'd either have to quit weed or heroin cold turkey I'll take weed everytime no question. have you ever gone through opiate withdrawal? it's like hell on earth.. I would say cigarettes and opiates are probably the hardest substances to quit.. I know benzos are extremely hard too but I've never really done those (like xanex etc.)
Also no offense but I personally think it's silly weed is viewed as something you need to go get help for to quit. (I always thought MA was methadone anonymous.. Marijuana anonymous??.. it's just funny for someone who's had to go through real drug withdrawal.. I mean inpatient treatment for weed? does that even exist?) Alcohol is more understandable, but both things in moderation really are relatively harmless. MODERATION.. it's key to everything. Why does everything have to be all out or nothing? I still choose to smoke weed today (I quit for 4 years) and drink alchol on weekends, and they are far less destructive than the other harder drugs (still need to be careful with alcohol). I do it in moderation, and I don't view it as something that controls me or my life, like opiates used to. I have a great job, make good money, I have motivation to work out 3-4 times a week. Really the only thing weed does is make me a little lazy and tired at times, but again it's something I could quit easily if I wanted to, all you need is a little willpower. I really don't see a need to atm since it's not effecting my life negatively. Opiates on the other hand destroyed my life, and alcohol can do the same if you drink everyday.. I just don't think marijuana should be grouped with things like heroin, cocaine.. even alcohol.. it really is not the same..
Thats a nice opinion. I didn't say all herion and coke addicts felt that way, just that I personally know some who do. Willpower has nothing to do with it. My willpower was for buying more drugs, my favorite happened to be MJ.
Ciggs are harder to quit than just about anything, but people don't give a shit about them. And for you to say that MJ doesn't deserve to be in the same class as other narcotics because thats your Opinion; is just that, Your Opinion. I didn't say everyone who smokes weed will have a problem with it. I have friends who smoke an eigth every two weeks between themselves and their gf's. I smoked that in a day easy, Every Single Day. I am not saying that its impossible to use responsibly, only that its impossible for some people to use responsibly.
There are plenty of people in MA who have made your Opiate abuse look like childs play, and then had a hard time quitting MJ. MJ also has withdrawl, maybe not as bad as herion or alcohol; but for me personally, not sleeping for 2 weeks, not feeling like I could eat anything, having headaches for 2 months, and in general just being pissed off all the time, count as withdrawl. Weed is a real drug. Alcohol is a drug PERIOD. You offend me when you talk about real drug withdrawls.
While your at it, why don't you just tell HeavOnEarth to just keep fapping away because its not hardcore enough for you.
No, just no. It is not an opinion, it is hard fact backed by addiction rates, by measures of bodily harm, by measures of societal impact. Violence rates, weapons charges, and companion illegalities are almost non-existent with marijuana, whereas with cocaine and methamphetamine they are considered standard fare. Just because quitting marijuana was difficult for you does not somehow change these things, and to then take the haughty road of claiming offense? Well, since reality is apparently dictated by anecdotal experience, here's an anecdote for you.
I was a part of the central Ohio drug scene for 5 years, during which I sold drugs, lived with drug dealers, and did many drugs myself. Wow, you can smoke an eighth of weed a day, what an addict you were! I've seen kids spit into a spoon, dissolve dmt in said spit, and inject it. I've seen women acquiesce to horrible acts of multiple partner sex just so they could stave off their dope sickness with some methadone. A friend of mine once became so delusional on massive doses of Xanax that he attempted to rob a grocery store with a golf club during the middle of the night. I'm not proud of some of the things I've done and the people I've consorted with, but I do value the lessons they've taught me when it comes to what the use of mind-altering chemicals can do to the human brain."There are plenty of people in MA who have made your opiate abuse look like childs play," This is garbage straight out of a 1950's after-school special, and has no basis in any reality, not even one warped by drugs. Have you ever held someone in your arms while they went through opiate withdrawal? I will never forget the smell of her sweat, the violent shaking of her limbs, or the nonsensical pleas for dope that slurred out in between bouts of vomiting. She died a week later, after a rebound injection in a new place proved too much for her already frail person.
This is where I'm gonna get even more politically incorrect. One cannot bring up addiction without discussing weakness, the two go hand in hand. I've seen kids get through medical school with a needle in their arm, and I've seen "psychonauts" flounder for years on dreams of discovering a truth that does not exist, and the difference ends up being weakness. Maybe you actually did know some people who hit rock bottom on marijuana, what I'm tlling you is that they were weak, plain and simple. If you happen to be too weak to consume psychadelic substances, then that is FINE! But stop there, because when you start to tell me that thc and diacetylmorphine have the same effect, well thats just bullshit.
To the OP, good luck friend. Life's trials and tribulations are what make the good parts of life so sweet.
You act like because people choose to go to MA the only drug they ever did is MJ (the point saying that people in MA made his opiate abuse look like childs play was because there are plenty of Herion/Opiate addicts in MA). Addiction is addiction. People in Narcotics Anonymous see it that way, why can't you? The physical symptoms may change from one drug to another, but the reasons for using and the process your brain uses to justify continuing to use are pretty much exactly the same.
As for your addiction rates, where are they, how were they collected? I can find a million different ways to pick apart "facts". What I was saying was my opinion, and I only said it because it pisses me off when someone trys to tell me that something is harmless when I have spent the last 4 months having people convince me its not. Outpatient groups, 12-step groups, work, family, friends.
Not really sure how to completely respond to your post honestly. I agree drugs are bad. I guess where we differ is what is a drug? Well the Federal Government classifies Weed as a Schedule 1 Narcotic (not that I even agree with that).
"(1) Schedule I.— (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision."
-gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid (GHB), which has been used as a general anaesthetic and for the treatment of narcolepsy and alcohol withdrawal with minimal side-effects [25] and controlled action but a limited safe dosage range. It was placed in Schedule I in March 2000 after widespread recreational use led to increased emergency room visits, hospitalizations, and deaths.[26] Uniquely, this drug is also listed in Schedule III for limited uses, under the trademark Xyrem; -12-Methoxyibogamine (Ibogaine), being reported to help in Heroin and other substance addiction -Marijuana including the Cannabis plant and its THC. Controversy exists about the placement of Marijuana in Schedule I. Like some other drugs in schedule I, there have been no reported cases of THC overdose. Main article: Removal of cannabis from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act. -Heroin (Diacetylmorphine), which is used in some European countries as a potent pain reliever in terminal cancer patients, and as second option, after morphine. (It is about twice as potent, by weight, as morphine.). In the United Kingdom it is also prescribed to intravenous heroin addicts who have not responded to, or are unable to tolerate methadone substitution therapy. -Other strong opiates and opioids used in many other countries, or even in the USA in previous decades for palliation of moderate to severe pain such as nicomorphine (Vilan), dextromoramide (Palfium), ketobemidone (Ketalgin), dihydromorphine (Paramorfan), piritramide (Dipidolor), diacetyldihydromorphine (Paralaudin), dipipanone (Wellconal), phenadoxone (Heptalgin) and many others. -Weak opioids used for relief of moderate pain, diarrhea, and coughing such as benzylmorphine (Peronine), nicocodeine (Tusscodin), Dihydrocodeinone enol acetate, tilidine (Valoron), meptazinol (Meptid), propiram (Algeril), acetyldihydrocodeine and others. -Pholcodine, a weak opioid cough suppressant with negligible abuse potential[citation needed] which is available over-the-counter in many other countries. -MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, Ecstasy), which continues to be used medically, notably in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). The medical community originally agreed upon placing it as a Schedule III substance, but the government denied this suggestion, despite two court rulings by the DEA's administrative law judge that placing MDMA in Schedule I was illegal. It was temporarily unscheduled after the first administrative hearing from December 22, 1987 - July 1, 1988.[27] -Psilocybin, the active ingredient in psychedelic mushrooms; -5-MeO-DIPT (Foxy / Foxy Methoxy / 5-methoxy-N,N-diisopropyltryptamine) -Lysergic acid diethylamide ("LSD" / "Acid"), formerly used in psychotherapy, and the best known treatment for alcoholism to date.[28] -Peyote, a cactus growing in nature primarily in northeastern Mexico; one of the few plants specifically scheduled, with a narrow exception to its legal status for religious use by members of the Native American Church; -Mescaline, the main psychoactive ingredients of the peyote, san pedro, achuma, and Peruvian torch cacti; -Methaqualone (Quaalude, Sopor, Mandrax), a sedative that was previously used for similar purposes as barbiturates, until it was rescheduled; -2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine (STP / DOM), a psychotropic hallucinogen that rose to prominence in 1967 in San Francisco when it appeared in pill form (known as "STP", in doses as high as four times the amounts previously considered "safe") on the black market; -2C-T-7 (Blue Mystic / T7), a psychotropic entheogen; -2C-B (Nexus / Bees / Venus / Bromo Mescaline), a psychotropic hallucinogen and aphrodisiac; -Cathinone (β-ketoamphetamine), a monoamine alkaloid found in the shrub Catha edulis (Khat); -AMT (alpha-methyltryptamine), an anti-depressant from the tryptamine family; first developed in the Soviet Union and marketed under the brand name Indopan; -Bufotenin (5-OH-DMT), a naturally-occurring tryptamine with hallucinogenic and aphrodisiac properties; named for the Bufo genus of toads whose poison contains the chemical;[29] -Benzylpiperazine (BZP), a synthetic drug also known as "party pills" or "herbal highs" is nearly indistinguishable from dexamphetamine and similar to MDMA. It has been shown to be associated with an increase in seizures if taken alone.[30] Although the effects of BZP are not as potent as MDMA, it can produce neuroadaptions that can cause an increase in the potential for abuse of this drug.[31]
^ Thats a fact, feel free to pick it apart in all its boldness.
I don't think I ever said it was easier to get off Herion than it is MJ. I'm trying to make a point that its addictive (because thats part of the stigma attached to weed, "its harmless, and not addictive", which in turn makes it harder for people to admit it was a problem for them). And all you want to do, I guess, is call people weak (people you don't know).
More stories I guess. One of my best friends is a Herion addict. He currently is not using Herion, but cannot stop smoking ganja or drinking alcohol. I'm not trying to say Herion is easier to quit, but some people do have a hard time quitting substances with "easier" withdrawls. Call them weak or whatever you want, I won't call them anything.
I am fucking Proud to say I am an Addict. The more I say it and believe it, the less likely I am going to let myself go back out. Does the thought of dropping acid and taking bong rips excite me? Hell yes, but thats part of the reason why I cannot do it anymore.
On June 15 2012 21:15 Wrongspeedy wrote: Alcohol and Marijauna release Dopamine as well. Actually last time I checked Dopamine is just one of the chemicals our brains use to experience pleasure. Sex, Gambling, Drugs whatever it is, Dopamine probably plays a role. And of course when you depend on high amounts of it frequently your Hedonic Set Point is raised higher and requires more Dopamine to get the same effect.
I am currently attending AA and MA (marijauna anonymous) meetings 7+ times a week, and they have helped me a lot (I haven't taken a mind or mood altering substance in 61 days ^_^, which is the longest I have ever gone since I started using them 8 years ago). Its just nice to know your not alone, and many many many people have experienced the same thing as you and are willing to talk about that openly and honestly. I honestly could not stop using until I started going to these groups and started to be completely honest with other people, that allowed me to be honest with myself.
I was in outpatient treatment for 2 months and relapsing frequently even while being drug tested with the threat of losing my job or being recommended for inpatient. :S
Now I feel pretty good and I am actually dealing with my life one problem at a time, not to mention I actually just get out and do shit. Hiking, rock climbing, trying new foods with friends, reading, biking, making music. I never had time for other people or things when all I cared about was getting high.
Weed is not the most harmless shit on the planet(It is a stimulant, a depressant, and a halucinogen). Kittens, Puppies, and Babies are far less harmless. Weed will bitch slap you like non-other if you let it. I know for a fact that some meth addicts, coke addicts, and herion addicts will admit that weed was harder for them to quit. People that say its not addictive are full of shit. Some people don't have a problem with it, but that doesn't change the fact that many people do. I spent almost 300 hundred dollars a week on it and could not stop on my own, even when I wanted to.
Oh and like I said at the beginning of my post, it releases dopamine, so you never really conquered dopamine abuse (after 3 days! Think about how much longer your going to be alive!). You probably will never "conquer" it, because your brain won't stop making it until you are dead (or you have a disease that stops it from producing). All you can do is know your faults and control yourself.
Anyways, congrats on making positive changes in your life, not trying to be a downer on you. But I felt like I should share part of my experience. Weed made me want to die, I was angry, isolated, and depressed every day and life had no purpose except to work (so that I could afford to spend over 13k a year on Weed) and get high. And getting high was never as fun as the first time.
Some people don't have problems with things like Alchohol, Weed, Sex. For other people it will literally ruin or take their lives away.
I'm gonna have to strongly disagree with whoever is telling you weed is harder to quit than heroin or cocaine. I'm currently 28 years old. I've smoked weed on and off since high school. I was also an opiate addict for 4 years (oxycontin, then evetnually heroin, sniffed not intravenous) and have also been addicted to cocaine and cigarettes for stints in my life.
Weed was definitely the easiest thing for me to quit, compared to the other drugs. It required little effort, there are virtually no physical withdrawal symptoms, it's almost all mental. If you told me I'd either have to quit weed or heroin cold turkey I'll take weed everytime no question. have you ever gone through opiate withdrawal? it's like hell on earth.. I would say cigarettes and opiates are probably the hardest substances to quit.. I know benzos are extremely hard too but I've never really done those (like xanex etc.)
Also no offense but I personally think it's silly weed is viewed as something you need to go get help for to quit. (I always thought MA was methadone anonymous.. Marijuana anonymous??.. it's just funny for someone who's had to go through real drug withdrawal.. I mean inpatient treatment for weed? does that even exist?) Alcohol is more understandable, but both things in moderation really are relatively harmless. MODERATION.. it's key to everything. Why does everything have to be all out or nothing? I still choose to smoke weed today (I quit for 4 years) and drink alchol on weekends, and they are far less destructive than the other harder drugs (still need to be careful with alcohol). I do it in moderation, and I don't view it as something that controls me or my life, like opiates used to. I have a great job, make good money, I have motivation to work out 3-4 times a week. Really the only thing weed does is make me a little lazy and tired at times, but again it's something I could quit easily if I wanted to, all you need is a little willpower. I really don't see a need to atm since it's not effecting my life negatively. Opiates on the other hand destroyed my life, and alcohol can do the same if you drink everyday.. I just don't think marijuana should be grouped with things like heroin, cocaine.. even alcohol.. it really is not the same..
Thats a nice opinion. I didn't say all herion and coke addicts felt that way, just that I personally know some who do. Willpower has nothing to do with it. My willpower was for buying more drugs, my favorite happened to be MJ.
Ciggs are harder to quit than just about anything, but people don't give a shit about them. And for you to say that MJ doesn't deserve to be in the same class as other narcotics because thats your Opinion; is just that, Your Opinion. I didn't say everyone who smokes weed will have a problem with it. I have friends who smoke an eigth every two weeks between themselves and their gf's. I smoked that in a day easy, Every Single Day. I am not saying that its impossible to use responsibly, only that its impossible for some people to use responsibly.
There are plenty of people in MA who have made your Opiate abuse look like childs play, and then had a hard time quitting MJ. MJ also has withdrawl, maybe not as bad as herion or alcohol; but for me personally, not sleeping for 2 weeks, not feeling like I could eat anything, having headaches for 2 months, and in general just being pissed off all the time, count as withdrawl. Weed is a real drug. Alcohol is a drug PERIOD. You offend me when you talk about real drug withdrawls.
While your at it, why don't you just tell HeavOnEarth to just keep fapping away because its not hardcore enough for you.
No, just no. It is not an opinion, it is hard fact backed by addiction rates, by measures of bodily harm, by measures of societal impact. Violence rates, weapons charges, and companion illegalities are almost non-existent with marijuana, whereas with cocaine and methamphetamine they are considered standard fare. Just because quitting marijuana was difficult for you does not somehow change these things, and to then take the haughty road of claiming offense? Well, since reality is apparently dictated by anecdotal experience, here's an anecdote for you.
I was a part of the central Ohio drug scene for 5 years, during which I sold drugs, lived with drug dealers, and did many drugs myself. Wow, you can smoke an eighth of weed a day, what an addict you were! I've seen kids spit into a spoon, dissolve dmt in said spit, and inject it. I've seen women acquiesce to horrible acts of multiple partner sex just so they could stave off their dope sickness with some methadone. A friend of mine once became so delusional on massive doses of Xanax that he attempted to rob a grocery store with a golf club during the middle of the night. I'm not proud of some of the things I've done and the people I've consorted with, but I do value the lessons they've taught me when it comes to what the use of mind-altering chemicals can do to the human brain."There are plenty of people in MA who have made your opiate abuse look like childs play," This is garbage straight out of a 1950's after-school special, and has no basis in any reality, not even one warped by drugs. Have you ever held someone in your arms while they went through opiate withdrawal? I will never forget the smell of her sweat, the violent shaking of her limbs, or the nonsensical pleas for dope that slurred out in between bouts of vomiting. She died a week later, after a rebound injection in a new place proved too much for her already frail person.
This is where I'm gonna get even more politically incorrect. One cannot bring up addiction without discussing weakness, the two go hand in hand. I've seen kids get through medical school with a needle in their arm, and I've seen "psychonauts" flounder for years on dreams of discovering a truth that does not exist, and the difference ends up being weakness. Maybe you actually did know some people who hit rock bottom on marijuana, what I'm tlling you is that they were weak, plain and simple. If you happen to be too weak to consume psychadelic substances, then that is FINE! But stop there, because when you start to tell me that thc and diacetylmorphine have the same effect, well thats just bullshit.
"To the OP, good luck friend. Life's trials and tribulations are what make the good parts of life so sweet."
I think people are misunderstanding what's talking about, he's not saying watching porn is a bad thing or will automatically make you lazy/unmotivated. What it sounds like is he's been doing this multiple times every day, that's really going to mess with your reward system that your brain has set up.
He's not implying that doing it once a day is a bad thing, but doing it frequently or even obsessively when you're bored is the issue. As it is with any addiction, you constantly need more.
So a quick note, i've seen nothing but HUGE benefits so far, my social anxiety is decreasing. for example, before i literally would never speak to my father or my sister(they're both shy as well) and i found myself trying to talk/interact with them any time the chance arises now
ALL my 5 senses have improved drastically, and i tend to enjoy simpler things a hell of a lot more.
for example i watched this video
laughed my ass off, and then INSTANTLY learned the song, comedy routine and all. took me about a day but there u have it
On contrary , before i would keep sifting through youtube videos bored as hell , MAYBE chuckling a little, but never this engaged.
Another thing i noted is that people(well, stories ive read on reddit) who 'quit' PMO , blame it for ALL their problems. when in actuality they just had 0 to little willpower
Dont get me wrong, So did I(my story is a little different obviously), but nonetheless i slowly trained it everyday. Willpower is like a muscle. Things like getting angry(or defensive) over little things is an example of lack of willpower. (no ill will meant, but the above conversation is a good example) Its okay to disagree , and its good to argue sometimes! but you can also be civil and mannered(this is where willpower comes in) in your approach Also i dont mind , my blog was written to help myself and possibly help other people that read it. comment however ud like in my blog, whether that be happy thoughts or unfiltered rage and spite for the other person you're talking to ^^ =D
So in actuality i would like to revise that, choosing not to PMO, , increased my willpower in itself. And this willpower is what is actually helping me the most, and the FIRST step is to actually WANT to improve yourself. Give yourself a reason Hopefully however, my blog/logs , or some other motivational crap can be that reason for you
Oh also i have very vivid dreams, that i actually remember, (my memory is improving A LOT as well) Yesterday there was that zombie invasion. apparently if a zombie starts chasing you and u walk slowly like zombie they deaggro. i realized that was stupid as hell then i woke up Today there was my random wet dream. im still kinda lazy so ill just copy the chat logs i sent to my gf HeavOnEarth: it was pretty funny actually HeavOnEarth: i was like oh noo what am i doing im cheating on alexx HeavOnEarth: and then i message u in the dream aand tis like u already know HeavOnEarth: and ur like how could u u u HeavOnEarth: and i was like i dont evne think it happened i think im (day)dreamin----- boom HeavOnEarth: wake up HeavOnEarth: XD
Also i dont know if its related or not, but jesus the neck sprain i got from doing my abs yesterday hurts so fucking bad lol
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