depends who you are. if youre just a player trying to abuse cheese to inflate your rank on ladder, you need to stop and learn how to really play. if youre someone playing a series or just sprinkling in some cheese here and there, i think its totally fine. theres a big difference between intelligent cheese (playing mind games in a series, deceiving the opponent based on the last few games) versus blind cheese (peruvians come to mind...)

Praetorial

United States4241 Posts

May 06 2012 21:22 GMT

#22

I really like brie cheese. Just slather it all over crackers and instant satisfaction.

Lousy!

Canada73 Posts

May 06 2012 21:22 GMT

#23

I prefer cheese to macro games anyday, ladder or tournament.

That said, I'm not good enough of a player to cheese on ladder, so I just stick with macro games. Because it's easy to mass units and a-move to victory. I'm a Plat Zerg. And I still don't (have to) know how to play the game beyond injecting larva. + Show Spoiler +

Except zvz where it's ling-all-in every game and if I fail, I fall back to macroing out of it. For some reason, that actually works.

Dfgj

Singapore5922 Posts

May 06 2012 21:29 GMT

#24

I don't enjoy cheese games as they don't really, well, go very far. The part of the game I enjoy the most is the mid/late game where management and multitask come into play - both to play and watch.

Games where both players do some sort of low-econ shenanigan are exciting as hell, though.

Ydriel

Italy516 Posts

May 06 2012 21:51 GMT

#25

On May 07 2012 06:22 Praetorial wrote:
I really like brie cheese. Just slather it all over crackers and instant satisfaction.

Mmmm, brie. Agreed, crackers and bread.

Also, I agree on Havardi > Gouda.

Hmm....I guess I should talk 'bout the other type of cheese since I'm at it

I personally don't get why people get so riled up either. For a progamer, it's just another strategy, they'd rather have a short game and get an easy win. Sure, having a bo5 finals with a cheesey play after another makes for a bored audience,but the occasional cheese spices things up and makes for tense moments as well.

As a player? I'm usually happy when I get cheesed, since I think "awesome, I've this 1 in my pocket". If you lose, just get someone do the same strat over and over till you know how to fend it off 100% of the time. If I lose? "Ok, gotta practice this one more"

PaqMan

United States1475 Posts

May 06 2012 21:53 GMT

#26

I love COUGAR GOLD cheese. Especially when you put it inside warm breadrolls omg, so good.

itkovian

United States1763 Posts

May 06 2012 23:28 GMT

#27

Cheesing will always be part of the game. When I lose to it I get mad, not mad at my opponent because they cheesed me, but mad at myself for making the blunder that led to my loss. Since so little happens between the time you start and lose the game, its easy to see the actions that cause you to lose the game. For example, if you misclick and don't repair your bunker in time and you lose because of that. That is what angers me most, how if I had played just a little better/smarter I would have been able to hold it off.

From a spectators stand point, I find cheese actually refreshing and exciting to watch. I like to see how the pros defend it, and I like to watch the micro because each little click matters so much at that point in the game.

Edit:

On May 07 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote:
I love COUGAR GOLD cheese. Especially when you put it inside warm breadrolls omg, so good.

Mmm ya, good stuff. Funny thing is I've been out in Pullman two years now and I haven't had it once while at school. I'm not even sure where they make it out here, only that its probably like five minutes away from my classes. I've only actually had it back home haha

DreamChaser

1649 Posts

May 07 2012 00:55 GMT

#28

It only annoys me on ladder because theres no reason for it really.

Snaiil

Sweden312 Posts

May 07 2012 01:02 GMT

#29

On May 07 2012 09:55 DreamChaser wrote:
It only annoys me on ladder because theres no reason for it really.

Of course there's a reason for it. It punishes too greedy players and even more importantly, it's a fun way to play. If you enjoy cheesing more than you enjoy playing macro games, then that's probably how you should ladder. In the end, you play to have fun.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

May 07 2012 01:15 GMT

#30

On May 07 2012 09:55 DreamChaser wrote:
It only annoys me on ladder because theres no reason for it really.

If no one cheesed then there would seriously be no reason not to open cc/hatch/nexus first every single goddamned game.

DreamChaser

1649 Posts

May 07 2012 01:24 GMT

#31

On May 07 2012 10:15 koreasilver wrote:

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If no one cheesed then there would seriously be no reason not to open cc/hatch/nexus first every single goddamned game.

You two are absolutely right, when i wrote that out all i thought was getting cheesed 3 games in a row. But your right then everyone would go nex first, cheese make's sure strategies are actually solid.

3FFA

United States3931 Posts

May 07 2012 02:40 GMT

#32

*Cough* (Clicky)

I think the term shouldn't be used anymore. It is old, over used, and honestly, no one thinks hearing you talking about cheese while you rage makes the rage have any impact. If anything, it makes people laugh at you. If you did a bad strategy, oh well. If you lost due to BO, choose a safer one next time, you chose a risky one and you payed for it, move on. If you lost due to not scouting, still your fault. Seriously, is there any need for this term? I think not.

Zariel

Australia1285 Posts

May 07 2012 04:06 GMT

#33

Flash cheese tastes the best. Especially when bisu tears start dropping.

I love seeing cheese vs cheese, the reaction on both players faces is always gold.

imanoobcs

184 Posts

May 07 2012 04:20 GMT

#34

Cheese is part of the game when its within how the game was designed. When toss is 3 pylon blocking ramps and stuff that blizzard didnt think about, I hate watching that.

Angel_

United States1617 Posts

May 07 2012 05:09 GMT

#35

On Starcraft: If you know you're opponent is being risky or greedy from scouting or ahead of time and you cheese them...awesome. Blindly cheesing a map...I have the same view of blindly deciding what build you're going to do and being unwilling to change it...is kind of lame. But if it works, whatever. Especially if it's because you're in a bo7 and up two games and you can afford to do it to fuck with your opponent's head.
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On what I desperately hoped this blog would be about:

I love cheese. I don't care if it's full of cholesterol; I don't care if it kills you. I fucking adore cheese. All of the cheese. Except smelly awful cheese like Limburger. But seriously. Cheese on crackers, cheese on noodles, cheese on salad, cheese in scrambled eggs, cheese on my burger. Fucking cheese all the things.

Dfgj

Singapore5922 Posts

May 07 2012 06:07 GMT

#36

On May 07 2012 11:40 3FFA wrote:
*Cough* (Clicky)

I think the term shouldn't be used anymore. It is old, over used, and honestly, no one thinks hearing you talking about cheese while you rage makes the rage have any impact. If anything, it makes people laugh at you. If you did a bad strategy, oh well. If you lost due to BO, choose a safer one next time, you chose a risky one and you payed for it, move on. If you lost due to not scouting, still your fault. Seriously, is there any need for this term? I think not.

Linking your own blog as an argument is forum cheese.

Zimb0

1 Post

May 08 2012 13:46 GMT

#37

Cheesing in 1v1 can be prevented with careful strategy, but in 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 its impossible. There should be different rules in the game to stop cheesing in those other not so competitive gamemodes. They are played with friends or for fun. I'd love blizzard to change things in 2v2,3v3 and 4v4.

-Desperate player

dongmydrum

United States139 Posts

May 08 2012 16:59 GMT

#38

cheese with kimchi is fantastic, but without kimchi, it gets old fast

kiy0

Portugal593 Posts

May 11 2012 00:14 GMT

#39

Cheese is a save gate for players to win games against players above their skill level. It shows how bad players can be.

MysteryMeat1

United States3291 Posts

May 11 2012 00:20 GMT

#40

Anyone watch the game between Hwangsin and Hawk in IPL team arena. Cloud 3 rax marine all ins and hwangsin has two stalkers and has the coolest defence.

I think if the cheese is well executed and you have a good understanding of how to defend it then the game is fun.