depends on the type of "cheese". I don't really consider something like a blink all in in PvP cheese because the attacker is relying a lot on micro. But when someone is super "gimmicky" and just hides a probe in a corner of my base saying 'well derp I hope he doesn't find me under in this hidden nook on Korhal!" then proceeds to 19 probe 4 gate me.. yeah that's frustrating as he's not relying on anything micro intensive, but just wanted a gimmicky win for useless ladder points.

Mattson

Canada188 Posts

May 11 2012 13:25 GMT

#42

On May 08 2012 22:46 Zimb0 wrote:
Cheesing in 1v1 can be prevented with careful strategy, but in 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 its impossible. There should be different rules in the game to stop cheesing in those other not so competitive gamemodes. They are played with friends or for fun. I'd love blizzard to change things in 2v2,3v3 and 4v4.

-Desperate player

LOL I can't even imagine what Team Monobattles would be like without cannon rushes.

On a related note... anyone see Mvp vs Parting?

Artosis said it best... Protoss are being greedy right now and Mvp is exploiting that.

BionicWaffle

Canada11 Posts

May 20 2012 00:37 GMT

#43

People who cheese only do it for fun, there's no skill involved. They aren't really going anywhere nor should they believe they will. Btw, catching someone off guard isn't skill, it's luck, which cheese relies on. The only reason why pros get away with it is because when they go into tournament play they're expecting a macro game, and the cheese factor relies on the luck of the early scout.

sfdrew

United States201 Posts

July 18 2012 14:34 GMT

#44

I don't mind people who have a good cheese in their toolbag and break it out when the situation calls for it, such as a tournament with a best of X structure where you think you can throw them off gaurd. What I absolutely hate is people on the ladder that just cheese every single game.

When somebody cheeses me, and I can tell that they aren't good players and just cheese because it's the only way they can win, I don't gg, and intentionally drag the game out by sending out workers to build things all over the map so they have to waste a lot of time killing all my buildings.

Almost always when I watch replays of people who beat me with a cheese (and they don't always beat me), they are terrible players who can't macro or micro to save their life. After that initial build order that the practiced a thousand times, they suck, floating minerals, not making workers, etc... They are bad players who get cheap wins by cheesing every game. It's one of the few things I hate more than anything in this game, because I never learn anything from those losses. It's basically a build order loss when I get hit with cheese.

What's that? You 6 pooled/dt rush/proxy barracks and won! What a stud! Your mom must be really proud of how clever you are!

9-BiT

United States1089 Posts

July 18 2012 18:23 GMT

#45

On May 20 2012 09:37 BionicWaffle wrote:
People who cheese only do it for fun, there's no skill involved. They aren't really going anywhere nor should they believe they will. Btw, catching someone off guard isn't skill, it's luck, which cheese relies on. The only reason why pros get away with it is because when they go into tournament play they're expecting a macro game, and the cheese factor relies on the luck of the early scout.

Stop taking yourself so seriously. If no one ever did cheese there would be no reason not to go 3 hatch before pool or CC first every single game. There would be no reason to 10 scout, if you know you could nexus first every game. It just keeps you on your toes.

TheGiz

Canada708 Posts

July 18 2012 18:40 GMT

#46

Personally, I find Havarti to be a little to overpowering in a sandwich, even its milder forms. It's alright on crackers or by itself, however. Provalone is much better in a sandwich, and its flavour gels a lot better with essential sandwich meats like prosciutto. Mozzarella is okay, but it comes out a little too much in a sandwich, so it's best to leave it as a melting cheese on top of other things.

For your bulk cheeses, mascarpone is quite delicious, and in a tiramisu it's amazing. Ricotta is another favorite of mine, either in a lasagna or some kind of caserole.

And finally, the best chunk cheeses are a really old, aged cheddar, parmagiano - the really good stuff from Italy - and peccorino, which is like parmagiano but with spices; defninitely a must on any platter, and essential when you have guests (as is a good brie).

There's a Cheese Emporium at Eglinton and Mt. Pleasant near where I live. If anyone wants to go with me sometime, I'm down for it. There's nothing like some really good cheese, especiall if there's a soppresata to eat and some red wine too!

pigmanbear

Angola2010 Posts

July 18 2012 19:32 GMT

#47

On May 11 2012 11:56 -Exalt- wrote:
depends on the type of "cheese". I don't really consider something like a blink all in in PvP cheese because the attacker is relying a lot on micro. But when someone is super "gimmicky" and just hides a probe in a corner of my base saying 'well derp I hope he doesn't find me under in this hidden nook on Korhal!" then proceeds to 19 probe 4 gate me.. yeah that's frustrating as he's not relying on anything micro intensive, but just wanted a gimmicky win for useless ladder points.

If he hides a probe that easily, well that's just you being really bad I guess. Maybe you would've seen some good probe micro etc. if you actually found the scout? You can't blame anybody for hiding a probe or a pylon, and you can't fairly say that their game plan rests on the probe going unscouted.

i_imperator

Ireland94 Posts

July 18 2012 20:17 GMT

#48

Its just another form of strategy that adds entertainment to the game, when watching ofc. Its a great skill to be able to macro and defend cheese as well.

Some of the best matches of MLG anaheim were cheese games, remember MKP Vs Sase, with those dt's? And remember when Sase beat polt with a cannon rush?!I thought those were Hilarious and Epic games (and im a terran)!

I love it though when you play cheese on ladder and your able to defend against it, because your ahead, and they have to take a major risk to get back the game! It all comes down to decision making and micro when you defend as well

MattBarry

United States4006 Posts

July 18 2012 21:58 GMT

#49

On July 18 2012 23:34 sfdrew wrote:
I don't mind people who have a good cheese in their toolbag and break it out when the situation calls for it, such as a tournament with a best of X structure where you think you can throw them off gaurd. What I absolutely hate is people on the ladder that just cheese every single game.

When somebody cheeses me, and I can tell that they aren't good players and just cheese because it's the only way they can win, I don't gg, and intentionally drag the game out by sending out workers to build things all over the map so they have to waste a lot of time killing all my buildings.

Almost always when I watch replays of people who beat me with a cheese (and they don't always beat me), they are terrible players who can't macro or micro to save their life. After that initial build order that the practiced a thousand times, they suck, floating minerals, not making workers, etc... They are bad players who get cheap wins by cheesing every game. It's one of the few things I hate more than anything in this game, because I never learn anything from those losses. It's basically a build order loss when I get hit with cheese.

What's that? You 6 pooled/dt rush/proxy barracks and won! What a stud! Your mom must be really proud of how clever you are!

Or maybe they play to have fun. Some people have legitimate fun from the wacky games that cheesy openings can produce. Some people are obsessed with winning and cheese all the time, that is true. But not everyone

MysteryMeat1

United States3292 Posts

July 18 2012 22:34 GMT

#50

i don't cheese I just all-in. Makes me practice some basic mechanics.

EDIT: Actually I do Cheese in PvP. If I play the protoss again on the ladder, when I scout on 9 if i see him scout on 13 or so then the next game is a cannon rush.